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T O P I C R E V I E WCeridwenJust wanting to revive and save what Mir wrote in another thread"Ceri, I want to awake another neglected progressed technique, which we're now finally able to apply with PD.Great!make a composite chart of A's PROGRESSED chart with B's NATAL chart^ I have missed that option for the past couple a years, so yea it went through my mind that this WOULD be significant. After all, the geometry behind it is completely awesome & utterly understandable harmonic-wise! (you'll definitely know that)I did it, with the quotidian angles only.I have not used the CONVERSED version in-all belowAs an outstanding quotidian TIMER:Yesterday very-end-of-the-day I sent snowsteps to my 2 favorites as I don't want them to slip and break their neck because of the current glazed frost in our country. They will receive them TODAY ('ve seen that).The quotidian Asc/Desc stood out! I take the moment they will globally get them today;MR CAP;Composite of HIS natal / MY progressed quotidian;- Mars : 5'09 Aries- ASC : 5'13 Aries- Jupiter : 6'29 Libra- his natal vertex: 5'26 Libra(so.. ^ see how I was driven! - the Asc was already applying within 1 deg to Mars when I got the sudden idea to order/send and immediately did)The OTHER way around, so Composite of MY natal / HIS progressed quotidian;- compo Moon 0'36 Cap- his natal Sun 1'23 Cap !!!!!(^ that's one you'll get once in the 28 year! ;D ;D ;D)____________________Mr Tauri,Composite of HIS natal / MY progressed quotidian;- Venus : 26'49 GEM- DESC: : 26'14 GEM- his natal Uranus : 26'33 SAG- his natal IC : 25'45 GEM(^ see how I was driven by love and care! / and also this one must have been applying within 1 deg when I directly materialized the order/send option)(it's funny cause he has a Venus/desc conj in natal and I have it currently in progressed quotidian / so ofcourse that becomes one in the compo)- IC : 27'02 Pisces(^ I rember making the order at 26'59 which is to-the-minute my natal Sun/Moon midpoint! and his natal Venus is 28'45 Venus)- MOON : 27'23 Aries- his natal Sun: 0'59 Taurus(LOl ^ u see... that one is what I also have with Mr Cap currently, once in the 28 year! - :;D)The OTHER way around (my natal / his q.progressed).. I don't see so much.____________** Conclusion (until now): When making a Composite quotidian chart of A's natal chart and B's progressed chart we see the ACTION on the angles. The action is coming from person B, the one whose progressed chart is involved.A personal pVenus on the quotidian pDesc (me) makes one actively loving + being loved. **(^ that 'being loved' is another littl'e story of today, not exactly noteworthy but very typical)Prove me wrong "I can`t prove you wrong. In fact recent event charts proved you right over and over again. RandallBump!mir quote:I can`t prove you wrong. In fact recent event charts proved you right over and over again Wow! Really??I almost forgot about it... never looked into it again, lack of enthusiasm here on board I guess... but I will start again now you confirm this, promise~!CeridwenLast time I was on a concert of Mr Sag, he before was observing me and my aquaintances through the window of a cafe and waving at us, and later joining us on the stairs while waiting, though it was a tad weird, we did not DIRECTLY talk to each other, more or less we were talking to the same other people simultaneously though, and well even while talking to the others, he was standing just a step above me or so (and had actually pushed others politely away, as it seemed he wanted to stand on exact that spot and nowhere else) and well even while he was answering to someone else, he managed to still look at me. It was a tad bizarre. my Q DESC 22°30 Scorpiohis n Uranus 23°24 Scorpiomy Q MC 23°44 Caphis n Venus 25°55 Cap- maybe this one was a tad wide, I usually cut the orb at about 1 degreemy Q Vertex 20°39 Libra(opp. my n Chiron 20°02 Aries)his n Pluto 21°23 LIbra(this one also fell onto our c-Node on 20 Libra)his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)my p Sun 7°53 Aqua (so possibly out of orb? What do you think? 2 degrees still okay, or am I reaching?)his Q MC 14°23 Aries, nothing too big in my chart (unless we count Aphrodite on 13 LIbra and Eris on 13 Aries)however our composite Pluto is on 15 Librahis Q Vertex 23°36 Sagmy n Mercury 25°03 Sagbut of course maybe not yet in orb. ------------------------------and I also made the composite of our quotidian and each others natal, as you had suggested. composite of my quotidian and his natalDESC 24°01 LIbraMoon 24°06 Libra- this really blew my mind. lolInterestingly his Draco ASC is on 24 LIbra too, opposing my Draco Venus on 25 AriesMC 11 CapVX 9°34 Libra(conj. my n Pluto on 9°05 Libra)But anyway I thought the Moon-DESC-conjunction was pretty cool. lolWell nothing that outstanding from the perspective of his Quotidian to my natal if I remember it right, let me check thoughHmm, something came up, but I do not know how to weigh itASC 6°29 LibraVX 7°32 Libra (trine Venus 8°15 Aqua)MC 9°40 Cancerand this seems weirdMoon 26°03 Pisces(conjunct his natal ASC on 25°37 PIsces and conjunct my Draco ASC on 26°51 Pisces)though it also opposed his n Saturn on 26°42 Virgo and squaring our composite Sun on 26 Sag (with our Suns being conjunct closely anyway)mir quote:his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)my p Sun 7°53 Aqua (so possibly out of orb? What do you think? 2 degrees still okay, or am I reaching?)Well, with his pSun at about 3'50 Aqua and the pCompo Sun at 5'51, a definite wow! It's a once-in-a-year thing after all.. that Q-Desc of him. No wonder he would try to get closer.. and to not forget all other angle hits with MOON/DESC quote:Moon 26°03 Pisces(conjunct his natal ASC on 25°37 PIsces and conjunct my Draco ASC on 26°51 Pisces)though it also opposed his n Saturn on 26°42 Virgo and squaring our composite Sun on 26 Sag (with our Suns being conjunct closely anyway)Another Moon/angle hit! Well: his natal Asc (+Saturn) gets the same angle from his prog Moon as the one already existing in your synastry (your Moon & his ASc). So his pMoon adds the perfect harmony here and to not forget, this is once in the 28 year! Very special I would say..Ceridwenwow, I am floored about your understanding of the mathematic/ resonating angles. It goes over MY head. But I believe you. Once in 28 years you say? lol we picked quite a day then. To be honest it was just so bizarre though, it was different than at the meeting in august, and well, there was also this longish moment during the gig itself, when he would play guitar, and just looking at me. But not really into my face, just, well I am still trying to figure out if he was studying my necklace or figuring out himself if I had gained weight again or just being far out with his mind. It was just, I donīt know, occasionally there is a lack of the usual humour between us (Even nonverbally ), and he seems to be so freaking serious and thoughtful that it`s making ME nervous. Not even sure I WANT to know what he was thinking at these moments. Just a weird day, moony maybe ? CeridwenYou know what is funny? Next week when I am possibly seeing him (I say possibly, because it seems like he might not do the performance, at least not both days). I will haveQ DESC 5°41 AquaQ VX 23°17 SagQ MC 13°00 Ariesit just baffled me a little, cause it was what he had in february. lolWell on that sunday, when he is still scheduled to be there as of now...he hasQ ASC 00°21 LibraQ VX 00°51 AriesQ MC 00°28 Cancerit is not really all that important in relation to me but I just found it almost funny that those angles are all on the cardinal degrees, AP, esp. the Q VX-DESC on 00 Aries. WEll in the composite of my progressed to his natalQ ASC 00°36 Geminip Juno 1°31 GeminiQ IC 21°08 Leop Saturn 20°10 Leo(this one is just separating by then)Q Vertex 10°53 scorpiop Uranus 12°55 Scorpio(possibly still out of orb, but applying at least)oh and square p Venus 11°58 Aquariusso in fact that Venus is aligned with the VErtex/Uranus-mp-----------------------from his perspectivehis progressed - my natalQ ASC 3°41 Scorpio( I find that interesting cause it conjuncts my progressed Uranus by 1 degree)Q IC 17°43 Aquarius(my n Moon 17°06 Aquarius)also on the antiscion of his p uranus 13°10 Scorpio (orb: 0°53)That P-Moon is by then on 27!°32 Pisces, applying to his natal Avx on 28°28 Virgo.And out of curiosity I checked the progressed / Quotidian composite itself as wellQ DESC 03°01 Piscesp Venus 04°19 PiscesQ MC 22°14 Taurusn Juno 22°18 TaurusQ VX 12°04 Aquariusn Uranus 12°22 ScorpioLiliya"Freshman walks in to the PHD lecture..."mirFor all the freshmen in Town:THE QUOTIDIAN ANGLES ARE THE TRUE PROGRESSED ANGLES. After one year they're back at its place in the quotidian realm. They move with the right speed here.(^ ofcourse the angles move extremely fast in reality so it's impossible they would move 1 deg a year like we find in our progressed chart on astro.com) The quotidian angles are a great timer guys~! quote:I will haveQ DESC 5°41 AquaQ VX 23°17 SagQ MC 13°00 Ariesit just baffled me a little, cause it was what he had in february. lolAah now it's your turn to be Q Desc! quote:his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)"Possibly"... so, let's wait and see._________You can download the free and easy to use PD software to have the quotidian option. For more info, leave a note of interest.mar1982delta quote:Originally posted by mir:For all the freshmen in Town:THE QUOTIDIAN ANGLES ARE THE [b]TRUE PROGRESSED ANGLES. After one year they're back at its place in the quotidian realm. They move with the right speed here.(^ ofcourse the angles move extremely fast in reality so it's impossible they would move 1 deg a year like we find in our progressed chart on astro.com) The quotidian angles are a great timer guys~! "Possibly"... so, let's wait and see._________You can download the free and easy to use PD software to have the quotidian option. For more info, leave a note of interest.[/B]LOL, a second freshman here (Lilya, this was a good one, lol!) andNOTE OF INTEREST mir or Ceri, if I may ask, I don't mean to tire the advanced of you with many questions, just one, how do we find the quotidian angles? I know it's way advanced for me, but still I want to know how to do this and when it's the right time, I'll return and study it more! Thanks in advance! I have downloaded Planetdance (if that's PD) for some time now, but haven't learned how to use all of its options yet, as I have been really used to astro structure all these months and now I find a hard time changing that! I have "played" a little with planetdance and explored some things, but it doesn't help me a lot visually and haven't explored all of its possibilities yet.. mirMar.. download the software PD to find them. Planetdance, here; http://www.jcremers.com/?id=Planetdance&lan=en Be prepared for a false virus alarm.mirOK i see...FILE->PROGRESSION->QUOTIDIANSimple as that.EmGembut no such joy for mac users mar1982delta quote:Originally posted by mir:OK i see...FILE->PROGRESSION->QUOTIDIANSimple as that.Thanks so much Mir, I am gonna try this right now lol ETA : I just tried that and it came up that my quotidian angle for the day we first met was on his natal Sun, 2d orb... How much orb for aspects with the quotidian angles do we allow? Sorry if this has been mentioned and didn't see it, about 3 d max for conjunctions is it good or wide?CeridwenMir,"Aah now it's your turn to be Q Desc!"Yeah, well let`s wait and see. Well the Q DESC is being square the p Venus/SAturn-mp by only 9 minutes and applying, and that doesn`t look so merry. Not sure about squares to midpoints, and of course sometimes Venus/Saturn can be more constructive/ productive, but all in all I`d preferred Venus/Uranus to be honest or even better Venus/Jupiter. lolWhatever kind of relating could happen with that, it might be either serious/ sincere or not happening at all. Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by mar1982delta: How much orb for aspects with the quotidian angles do we allow? Sorry if this has been mentioned and didn't see it, about 3 d max for conjunctions is it good or wide?Just to give you an example in my own chart.Giving you the overlook over 3 days, today, tomorrow and on sunday. QASC29°05 Cancer29°48 Cancer00°31 Leo- as you can see the Quotidian ASC moves not even one degree within one day, though I think the rough figure of 1 degree per day is okay; it also depends what rising sign you have. Cancer/ Leo is slow rising, if there were Pisces it would be much faster- Q MC04°03 Aries (on my n IC today. lol)05°07 Aries06°12 Aries- Aries is also a fast rising sign, along with Pisces the fastest, so you can see that the MC moves a bit more than one degree per day, so the 1 degree = per day figure holds true in terms of MC too- QVertex15°24 Sag16°14 Sag17°05 Sag- about the same motion as the ASC- So we can say that the quotidian angles move about one degree per day (just approximately), and I tend to use 1 degree as orb, and would extend it to 1,5-2 degrees as maximum, but being aware that this might not hold up as "timer" anymore, but possibly could be some foreshadowing?Well the quodian angle conjunct a natal Sun is a BIG timer for a meeting, I wonder if your birthtime might be a minute or a few unprecise? I think the angle wuold have been probably within the 1 or 1,5 degree orb to his Sun on time of your meeting. mar1982deltaOhh, thanks so much fr your answer Ceri!Yes, I noticed that and wanted to ask you about that, too!I mean in my progressed chart (not quotidian, secondary plain and simple? lol - the one from astro) I have Pisces Asc and he has Cancer Asc and during these 2 years, my Asc has moved faster than his and I remembered you have mentioned it elsewhere in the past and thought ""awww, that's what she meant", but didn't know which signs move quickly and which not obviously. LOl, nice to learn that, too! Thanks!Ughhh, last night as I was playing with planetdance, I thought of another question that I had, but now I forgot But I have one new, why Vertex isn't appearing in PD? Or is it somewhere and I don't see it...lol, PD has so many options, but I feel so lost when trying to figure that out, it's like it's not so handy for me, but I keep trying And can we add aspects to all or aspects to the nodes or chiron, too? I mean it doesn't help that the degrees aren't written inside the circle, just like astro..Perhaps it's just some personal preference that I have or the power of getting used to something, right?Well, as for my birthtime, apart from my birth certificate which states 20.40, my parents verify the same, but somehow 20.42 tickles as a number for me, maybe that's it? hahahahaIf it were 20.42 would it be closer or wider? no clueHow can I find if my birthtime is let's say 2 minutes different from what I know?Thanks so much for all your help once more!Ceridwen"But I have one new, why Vertex isn't appearing in PD?"No clue why. I am missing it, too. But obviously it is not part of the program, or I have not found it yet. "And can we add aspects to all or aspects to the nodes or chiron, too?"Yes, we can, under OPTIONS you can edit PLANETS/ASPECTS by checking the boxes in the aspect grid. Just play with it a little and you will find out. "How can I find if my birthtime is let's say 2 minutes different from what I know?"If you check some very outstanding events in your life with the birthtime of 20:42 (transits, quotidian progressions) and find there are the expected major aspects in play (usually Jupiter-Pluto including nodes to the angles) at a more exact orb, then it is very likely the adjusted birthtime is the right one. But rectification is a tedious process.mar1982delta quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:"But I have one new, why Vertex isn't appearing in PD?"No clue why. I am missing it, too. But obviously it is not part of the program, or I have not found it yet. "And can we add aspects to all or aspects to the nodes or chiron, too?"Yes, we can, under OPTIONS you can edit PLANETS/ASPECTS by checking the boxes in the aspect grid. Just play with it a little and you will find out. "How can I find if my birthtime is let's say 2 minutes different from what I know?"If you check some very outstanding events in your life with the birthtime of 20:42 (transits, quotidian progressions) and find there are the expected major aspects in play (usually Jupiter-Pluto including nodes to the angles) at a more exact orb, then it is very likely the adjusted birthtime is the right one. But rectification is a tedious process.Yes, I understand that...who knows, maybe I'll figure it out somehow some day wayyyy in the future, lol! Thanks a lot again!Ceridwennow that I have the actual meeting time, as the event passed, I might have another look. CeridwenI find the story is being told except for planets on housecusps, in the midpoints that are either exact, or including ASC or MC (within 1 degree)So composite of my progressed and his natal-------------------------------------------Saturn on ICSun= Jupiter/MC 0°14Physical well-being. Susceptible to flattery. new opportunitiesSun= Neptune/MC 0°58 dPersonal weaknesses, secrets or want of clarity. Felling guilty. Mercury = Jupiter/Saturn 0°03 dJoyful parting. To realize a thoughtspeaking with great maturity. asking the right questions. Change, a fortunate separation, a journey.Mercury = Jupiter/MC 0°30To enjoy talking. Mental tranquility and contentment.Venus = Pluto/BML 0°02Mars = Pluto/ASC 0°08To plan changes.courage; foolhardiness and daringSaturn = Mars/ASC 0°57dThrough actions of others to be separated from somethingUranus = Moon/ASC 0°15Sudden unusual events with or for female persons.ASC = Mercury/Pluto 0°40dTo have dealings with adaptable people. To speak about a changed situation with others. Others change their views.ASC = Sun/Pluto 0°48 dOne comes across to others as a powerful person, or, negatively, overbearing. Finding it easy to get the attention of other people. One who appears more powerful than they really are.MC = Moon/Neptune 0°21Sensitivity. Touchiness. The sense of smell, state of dreaming. Mentally impressed through secrecies of or because of female persons.MC = Uranus/ASC 0°37 dTo be excited by or over other people.Ceridwencomposite of his progressed and my natal-----------------------------------------Pluto widely conjunct 12th house cusp (as chartruler) no angular planets, however interestingly ASC conjunct my pr Uranus and IC conjunct my natal Moon exactand also noticed Venus conjunct my pr Sun exactmidpointsSun = Moon/ASC 0°38 dPersonal acquaintance with women. Easily made acquaintances. Many changes in acquaintancesMoon = Sun/Jupiter 0°01 dA lucky day for or with women. Choosing the right moment.A harmonious expression of feeling. The feeling of needs fulfilled. A happy hour,Moon = Saturn/ASC 0°13 dTo take leave of women. To be separated or rejected from female persons.One is impressionnable to negative reactions about oneself coming from other people. Mercury = Moon/ASC 0°07dCorrespondence or conversation with female persons. Professional conversations with many people.Mercury = Jupiter/Saturn 0°13 d (still a tad wide, but applying; curiously this one will be within one minute of orb in august, when I am going to see him on stage again)speaking with great maturity;asking the right questions. Change, a fortunate separation, a journey.To realize a thoughtVenus = Uranus/ASC 0°03To fall in love suddenly.A love of relating in an unpredictable manner.Mars = Pluto/ASC 0°27 dTo plan changes.Jupiter = Sun/ASC 0°43 dTo enjoy advantages and support from relationships. To form associations that are very fortunate for the native.Jupiter = Moon/Saturn 0°22 d (Peak around 20th june)Woman travelling. The happily separated woman. Happily separated from a woman. The grass widow(er). Pleasant evening hours. Quiet happinessTo feel good about dealing with difficult feelings. One's enthusiasm comes out of sincere and enduring emotions and has staying power. An excessive control of one's feelings.Jupiter = Mercury/ASC 0°21 dTo be well thought of by others. To be hilarious with others.Saturn = Moon/Mercury 0°12 d Departure of or departure from young girls or women. Unsteady. Travelling. To change the place. To learn slowly, to remember for a long time.To be cautious or apprehensive about communicating one's feelings, and possibly the tendency to do so slowly over time. To hold back on expressing one's emotions. The fear that one will be criticized or rejected for expressing one's feelings.Saturn = Jupiter/ASC 0°02 dTo experience refusal. Not being accepted. Separations from friends.Uranus = Venus/MC 0°08 dSudden affection. To be inflamed with affection.Neptune = Pluto/MC 0°44The evolution and transformation are hardly noticed on the surface. Creeping alterations.mystic visions, a purified and refined soul-life. Obsessive insecurities that may be caused by disruptive psychic forces and also which may have no basis in actual physical reality. Pluto = Sun/Mercury 0°04 Thinking that is capable of development. Changeable thinking (flexible). Making far-reaching plans. A dramatic push to new perspectives.Pluto = Moon/ASC 0°11Over-dramatisation or obsessive importance of relationship. Changes of one's own circumstances through acquaintance with females. One is strongly impacted by emotional sharing in one-on-one relationships. One can get deeply in touch with one's feelings when interacting with another, though there may be fear of and resistance to doing so.ASC = Sun/Saturn 0°18 dPersonal difficulties through others or in general. Separations.ASC = Mwercury/Saturn 0°06 dTo take leave. To depart or go away. To move. To travel. To roam.ASC = Moon/Jupiter 0°07 dAcquaintance with cheerful and serene women. Happy and cheerful surroundings. The tendency to be happy and cheerful in the company of other people,the creation of harmonious environment. Fortunate contacts.ASC = Mars/Uranus 0°25 dTo be connected with sudden events. To rebel together with others, or others rebel against the native.MC = Mars/Jupiter 0°31 dSatisfaction and contentment in one's activity. Content with oneself.The joy of livingMC = Neptune/Node 0°07In one's career one makes subtle, intuitive connections with others.Ceridwenbump
"Ceri, I want to awake another neglected progressed technique, which we're now finally able to apply with PD.Great!
make a composite chart of A's PROGRESSED chart with B's NATAL chart
^ I have missed that option for the past couple a years, so yea it went through my mind that this WOULD be significant. After all, the geometry behind it is completely awesome & utterly understandable harmonic-wise! (you'll definitely know that)
I did it, with the quotidian angles only.
I have not used the CONVERSED version in-all below
As an outstanding quotidian TIMER:
Yesterday very-end-of-the-day I sent snowsteps to my 2 favorites as I don't want them to slip and break their neck because of the current glazed frost in our country. They will receive them TODAY ('ve seen that).
The quotidian Asc/Desc stood out! I take the moment they will globally get them today;
MR CAP;Composite of HIS natal / MY progressed quotidian;
- Mars : 5'09 Aries- ASC : 5'13 Aries- Jupiter : 6'29 Libra- his natal vertex: 5'26 Libra
(so.. ^ see how I was driven! - the Asc was already applying within 1 deg to Mars when I got the sudden idea to order/send and immediately did)
The OTHER way around, so Composite of MY natal / HIS progressed quotidian;
- compo Moon 0'36 Cap- his natal Sun 1'23 Cap !!!!!
(^ that's one you'll get once in the 28 year! ;D ;D ;D)
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Mr Tauri,
Composite of HIS natal / MY progressed quotidian;
- Venus : 26'49 GEM- DESC: : 26'14 GEM- his natal Uranus : 26'33 SAG- his natal IC : 25'45 GEM
(^ see how I was driven by love and care! / and also this one must have been applying within 1 deg when I directly materialized the order/send option)
(it's funny cause he has a Venus/desc conj in natal and I have it currently in progressed quotidian / so ofcourse that becomes one in the compo)
- IC : 27'02 Pisces
(^ I rember making the order at 26'59 which is to-the-minute my natal Sun/Moon midpoint! and his natal Venus is 28'45 Venus)
- MOON : 27'23 Aries- his natal Sun: 0'59 Taurus
(LOl ^ u see... that one is what I also have with Mr Cap currently, once in the 28 year! - :;D)
The OTHER way around (my natal / his q.progressed).. I don't see so much.
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** Conclusion (until now): When making a Composite quotidian chart of A's natal chart and B's progressed chart we see the ACTION on the angles. The action is coming from person B, the one whose progressed chart is involved.
A personal pVenus on the quotidian pDesc (me) makes one actively loving + being loved. **
(^ that 'being loved' is another littl'e story of today, not exactly noteworthy but very typical)
Prove me wrong "
I can`t prove you wrong. In fact recent event charts proved you right over and over again.
quote:I can`t prove you wrong. In fact recent event charts proved you right over and over again
Wow! Really??
I almost forgot about it... never looked into it again, lack of enthusiasm here on board I guess... but I will start again now you confirm this, promise~!
my Q DESC 22°30 Scorpiohis n Uranus 23°24 Scorpio
my Q MC 23°44 Caphis n Venus 25°55 Cap- maybe this one was a tad wide, I usually cut the orb at about 1 degree
my Q Vertex 20°39 Libra(opp. my n Chiron 20°02 Aries)his n Pluto 21°23 LIbra(this one also fell onto our c-Node on 20 Libra)
his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)my p Sun 7°53 Aqua (so possibly out of orb? What do you think? 2 degrees still okay, or am I reaching?)
his Q MC 14°23 Aries, nothing too big in my chart (unless we count Aphrodite on 13 LIbra and Eris on 13 Aries)
however our composite Pluto is on 15 Libra
his Q Vertex 23°36 Sagmy n Mercury 25°03 Sagbut of course maybe not yet in orb.
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and I also made the composite of our quotidian and each others natal, as you had suggested.
composite of my quotidian and his natal
DESC 24°01 LIbraMoon 24°06 Libra- this really blew my mind. lolInterestingly his Draco ASC is on 24 LIbra too, opposing my Draco Venus on 25 Aries
MC 11 Cap
VX 9°34 Libra(conj. my n Pluto on 9°05 Libra)
But anyway I thought the Moon-DESC-conjunction was pretty cool. lol
Well nothing that outstanding from the perspective of his Quotidian to my natal if I remember it right, let me check though
Hmm, something came up, but I do not know how to weigh it
ASC 6°29 LibraVX 7°32 Libra (trine Venus 8°15 Aqua)
MC 9°40 Cancer
and this seems weird
Moon 26°03 Pisces(conjunct his natal ASC on 25°37 PIsces and conjunct my Draco ASC on 26°51 Pisces)though it also opposed his n Saturn on 26°42 Virgo and squaring our composite Sun on 26 Sag (with our Suns being conjunct closely anyway)
quote:his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)my p Sun 7°53 Aqua (so possibly out of orb? What do you think? 2 degrees still okay, or am I reaching?)
Well, with his pSun at about 3'50 Aqua and the pCompo Sun at 5'51, a definite wow! It's a once-in-a-year thing after all.. that Q-Desc of him. No wonder he would try to get closer..
and to not forget all other angle hits with MOON/DESC
quote:Moon 26°03 Pisces(conjunct his natal ASC on 25°37 PIsces and conjunct my Draco ASC on 26°51 Pisces)though it also opposed his n Saturn on 26°42 Virgo and squaring our composite Sun on 26 Sag (with our Suns being conjunct closely anyway)
Another Moon/angle hit! Well: his natal Asc (+Saturn) gets the same angle from his prog Moon as the one already existing in your synastry (your Moon & his ASc). So his pMoon adds the perfect harmony here and to not forget, this is once in the 28 year! Very special I would say..
Once in 28 years you say? lol we picked quite a day then.
To be honest it was just so bizarre though, it was different than at the meeting in august, and well, there was also this longish moment during the gig itself, when he would play guitar, and just looking at me. But not really into my face, just, well I am still trying to figure out if he was studying my necklace or figuring out himself if I had gained weight again or just being far out with his mind. It was just, I donīt know, occasionally there is a lack of the usual humour between us (Even nonverbally ), and he seems to be so freaking serious and thoughtful that it`s making ME nervous. Not even sure I WANT to know what he was thinking at these moments. Just a weird day, moony maybe ?
I will have
Q DESC 5°41 AquaQ VX 23°17 SagQ MC 13°00 Aries
it just baffled me a little, cause it was what he had in february. lol
Well on that sunday, when he is still scheduled to be there as of now...
he has
Q ASC 00°21 LibraQ VX 00°51 Aries
Q MC 00°28 Cancer
it is not really all that important in relation to me but I just found it almost funny that those angles are all on the cardinal degrees, AP, esp. the Q VX-DESC on 00 Aries.
WEll in the composite of my progressed to his natal
Q ASC 00°36 Geminip Juno 1°31 Gemini
Q IC 21°08 Leop Saturn 20°10 Leo(this one is just separating by then)
Q Vertex 10°53 scorpiop Uranus 12°55 Scorpio(possibly still out of orb, but applying at least)
oh and square p Venus 11°58 Aquarius
so in fact that Venus is aligned with the VErtex/Uranus-mp
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from his perspective
his progressed - my natal
Q ASC 3°41 Scorpio( I find that interesting cause it conjuncts my progressed Uranus by 1 degree)
Q IC 17°43 Aquarius(my n Moon 17°06 Aquarius)also on the antiscion of his p uranus 13°10 Scorpio (orb: 0°53)
That P-Moon is by then on 27!°32 Pisces, applying to his natal Avx on 28°28 Virgo.
And out of curiosity I checked the progressed / Quotidian composite itself as well
Q DESC 03°01 Piscesp Venus 04°19 Pisces
Q MC 22°14 Taurusn Juno 22°18 Taurus
Q VX 12°04 Aquariusn Uranus 12°22 Scorpio
THE QUOTIDIAN ANGLES ARE THE TRUE PROGRESSED ANGLES.
After one year they're back at its place in the quotidian realm. They move with the right speed here.
(^ ofcourse the angles move extremely fast in reality so it's impossible they would move 1 deg a year like we find in our progressed chart on astro.com)
The quotidian angles are a great timer guys~!
quote:I will haveQ DESC 5°41 AquaQ VX 23°17 SagQ MC 13°00 Ariesit just baffled me a little, cause it was what he had in february. lol
Aah now it's your turn to be Q Desc!
quote:his Q DESC 5°57 Aquariushis p Mercury 6°03 Aqua(our pr c-Sun 5°51 Aqua)
"Possibly"... so, let's wait and see.
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You can download the free and easy to use PD software to have the quotidian option. For more info, leave a note of interest.
quote:Originally posted by mir:For all the freshmen in Town:THE QUOTIDIAN ANGLES ARE THE [b]TRUE PROGRESSED ANGLES. After one year they're back at its place in the quotidian realm. They move with the right speed here.(^ ofcourse the angles move extremely fast in reality so it's impossible they would move 1 deg a year like we find in our progressed chart on astro.com) The quotidian angles are a great timer guys~! "Possibly"... so, let's wait and see._________You can download the free and easy to use PD software to have the quotidian option. For more info, leave a note of interest.[/B]
THE QUOTIDIAN ANGLES ARE THE [b]TRUE PROGRESSED ANGLES.
You can download the free and easy to use PD software to have the quotidian option. For more info, leave a note of interest.[/B]
LOL, a second freshman here (Lilya, this was a good one, lol!) and
NOTE OF INTEREST
mir or Ceri, if I may ask, I don't mean to tire the advanced of you with many questions, just one, how do we find the quotidian angles? I know it's way advanced for me, but still I want to know how to do this and when it's the right time, I'll return and study it more! Thanks in advance!
I have downloaded Planetdance (if that's PD) for some time now, but haven't learned how to use all of its options yet, as I have been really used to astro structure all these months and now I find a hard time changing that! I have "played" a little with planetdance and explored some things, but it doesn't help me a lot visually and haven't explored all of its possibilities yet..
Planetdance, here; http://www.jcremers.com/?id=Planetdance&lan=en
Be prepared for a false virus alarm.
FILE->PROGRESSION->QUOTIDIAN
Simple as that.
quote:Originally posted by mir:OK i see...FILE->PROGRESSION->QUOTIDIANSimple as that.
Thanks so much Mir, I am gonna try this right now lol
ETA : I just tried that and it came up that my quotidian angle for the day we first met was on his natal Sun, 2d orb... How much orb for aspects with the quotidian angles do we allow? Sorry if this has been mentioned and didn't see it, about 3 d max for conjunctions is it good or wide?
"Aah now it's your turn to be Q Desc!"Yeah, well let`s wait and see.
Well the Q DESC is being square the p Venus/SAturn-mp by only 9 minutes and applying, and that doesn`t look so merry.
Not sure about squares to midpoints, and of course sometimes Venus/Saturn can be more constructive/ productive, but all in all I`d preferred Venus/Uranus to be honest or even better Venus/Jupiter. lolWhatever kind of relating could happen with that, it might be either serious/ sincere or not happening at all.
quote:Originally posted by mar1982delta: How much orb for aspects with the quotidian angles do we allow? Sorry if this has been mentioned and didn't see it, about 3 d max for conjunctions is it good or wide?
How much orb for aspects with the quotidian angles do we allow? Sorry if this has been mentioned and didn't see it, about 3 d max for conjunctions is it good or wide?
Just to give you an example in my own chart.
Giving you the overlook over 3 days, today, tomorrow and on sunday.
QASC29°05 Cancer29°48 Cancer00°31 Leo
- as you can see the Quotidian ASC moves not even one degree within one day, though I think the rough figure of 1 degree per day is okay; it also depends what rising sign you have. Cancer/ Leo is slow rising, if there were Pisces it would be much faster-
Q MC04°03 Aries (on my n IC today. lol)05°07 Aries06°12 Aries
- Aries is also a fast rising sign, along with Pisces the fastest, so you can see that the MC moves a bit more than one degree per day, so the 1 degree = per day figure holds true in terms of MC too-
QVertex15°24 Sag16°14 Sag17°05 Sag- about the same motion as the ASC-
So we can say that the quotidian angles move about one degree per day (just approximately), and I tend to use 1 degree as orb, and would extend it to 1,5-2 degrees as maximum, but being aware that this might not hold up as "timer" anymore, but possibly could be some foreshadowing?
Well the quodian angle conjunct a natal Sun is a BIG timer for a meeting, I wonder if your birthtime might be a minute or a few unprecise? I think the angle wuold have been probably within the 1 or 1,5 degree orb to his Sun on time of your meeting.
"And can we add aspects to all or aspects to the nodes or chiron, too?"Yes, we can, under OPTIONS you can edit PLANETS/ASPECTS by checking the boxes in the aspect grid. Just play with it a little and you will find out.
"How can I find if my birthtime is let's say 2 minutes different from what I know?"If you check some very outstanding events in your life with the birthtime of 20:42 (transits, quotidian progressions) and find there are the expected major aspects in play (usually Jupiter-Pluto including nodes to the angles) at a more exact orb, then it is very likely the adjusted birthtime is the right one. But rectification is a tedious process.
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:"But I have one new, why Vertex isn't appearing in PD?"No clue why. I am missing it, too. But obviously it is not part of the program, or I have not found it yet. "And can we add aspects to all or aspects to the nodes or chiron, too?"Yes, we can, under OPTIONS you can edit PLANETS/ASPECTS by checking the boxes in the aspect grid. Just play with it a little and you will find out. "How can I find if my birthtime is let's say 2 minutes different from what I know?"If you check some very outstanding events in your life with the birthtime of 20:42 (transits, quotidian progressions) and find there are the expected major aspects in play (usually Jupiter-Pluto including nodes to the angles) at a more exact orb, then it is very likely the adjusted birthtime is the right one. But rectification is a tedious process.
Yes, I understand that...who knows, maybe I'll figure it out somehow some day wayyyy in the future, lol! Thanks a lot again!
So composite of my progressed and his natal-------------------------------------------Saturn on IC
Sun= Jupiter/MC 0°14Physical well-being. Susceptible to flattery. new opportunities
Sun= Neptune/MC 0°58 dPersonal weaknesses, secrets or want of clarity. Felling guilty.
Mercury = Jupiter/Saturn 0°03 dJoyful parting. To realize a thoughtspeaking with great maturity. asking the right questions. Change, a fortunate separation, a journey.
Mercury = Jupiter/MC 0°30To enjoy talking. Mental tranquility and contentment.
Venus = Pluto/BML 0°02
Mars = Pluto/ASC 0°08To plan changes.courage; foolhardiness and daring
Saturn = Mars/ASC 0°57dThrough actions of others to be separated from something
Uranus = Moon/ASC 0°15Sudden unusual events with or for female persons.
ASC = Mercury/Pluto 0°40dTo have dealings with adaptable people. To speak about a changed situation with others. Others change their views.
ASC = Sun/Pluto 0°48 dOne comes across to others as a powerful person, or, negatively, overbearing. Finding it easy to get the attention of other people. One who appears more powerful than they really are.
MC = Moon/Neptune 0°21Sensitivity. Touchiness. The sense of smell, state of dreaming. Mentally impressed through secrecies of or because of female persons.
MC = Uranus/ASC 0°37 dTo be excited by or over other people.
Pluto widely conjunct 12th house cusp (as chartruler)
no angular planets, however interestingly ASC conjunct my pr Uranus and IC conjunct my natal Moon exact
and also noticed Venus conjunct my pr Sun exact
midpoints
Sun = Moon/ASC 0°38 dPersonal acquaintance with women. Easily made acquaintances. Many changes in acquaintances
Moon = Sun/Jupiter 0°01 dA lucky day for or with women. Choosing the right moment.A harmonious expression of feeling. The feeling of needs fulfilled. A happy hour,
Moon = Saturn/ASC 0°13 dTo take leave of women. To be separated or rejected from female persons.One is impressionnable to negative reactions about oneself coming from other people.
Mercury = Moon/ASC 0°07dCorrespondence or conversation with female persons. Professional conversations with many people.
Mercury = Jupiter/Saturn 0°13 d (still a tad wide, but applying; curiously this one will be within one minute of orb in august, when I am going to see him on stage again)
speaking with great maturity;asking the right questions. Change, a fortunate separation, a journey.To realize a thought
Venus = Uranus/ASC 0°03To fall in love suddenly.A love of relating in an unpredictable manner.
Mars = Pluto/ASC 0°27 dTo plan changes.
Jupiter = Sun/ASC 0°43 dTo enjoy advantages and support from relationships. To form associations that are very fortunate for the native.
Jupiter = Moon/Saturn 0°22 d (Peak around 20th june)
Woman travelling. The happily separated woman. Happily separated from a woman. The grass widow(er). Pleasant evening hours. Quiet happinessTo feel good about dealing with difficult feelings. One's enthusiasm comes out of sincere and enduring emotions and has staying power. An excessive control of one's feelings.
Jupiter = Mercury/ASC 0°21 dTo be well thought of by others. To be hilarious with others.
Saturn = Moon/Mercury 0°12 d Departure of or departure from young girls or women. Unsteady. Travelling. To change the place. To learn slowly, to remember for a long time.To be cautious or apprehensive about communicating one's feelings, and possibly the tendency to do so slowly over time. To hold back on expressing one's emotions. The fear that one will be criticized or rejected for expressing one's feelings.
Saturn = Jupiter/ASC 0°02 dTo experience refusal. Not being accepted. Separations from friends.
Uranus = Venus/MC 0°08 dSudden affection. To be inflamed with affection.
Neptune = Pluto/MC 0°44The evolution and transformation are hardly noticed on the surface. Creeping alterations.mystic visions, a purified and refined soul-life. Obsessive insecurities that may be caused by disruptive psychic forces and also which may have no basis in actual physical reality.
Pluto = Sun/Mercury 0°04 Thinking that is capable of development. Changeable thinking (flexible). Making far-reaching plans. A dramatic push to new perspectives.
Pluto = Moon/ASC 0°11Over-dramatisation or obsessive importance of relationship. Changes of one's own circumstances through acquaintance with females. One is strongly impacted by emotional sharing in one-on-one relationships. One can get deeply in touch with one's feelings when interacting with another, though there may be fear of and resistance to doing so.
ASC = Sun/Saturn 0°18 dPersonal difficulties through others or in general. Separations.
ASC = Mwercury/Saturn 0°06 dTo take leave. To depart or go away. To move. To travel. To roam.
ASC = Moon/Jupiter 0°07 dAcquaintance with cheerful and serene women. Happy and cheerful surroundings. The tendency to be happy and cheerful in the company of other people,the creation of harmonious environment. Fortunate contacts.
ASC = Mars/Uranus 0°25 dTo be connected with sudden events. To rebel together with others, or others rebel against the native.
MC = Mars/Jupiter 0°31 dSatisfaction and contentment in one's activity. Content with oneself.The joy of living
MC = Neptune/Node 0°07In one's career one makes subtle, intuitive connections with others.
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