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T O P I C R E V I E Wblue moonI am an absolute novice at Lexigrams. So I wonder, if you do a lexigram of someone's name, what should you use?What if you have a 'sunday name', something the priest/registrar/grandparent gave you but you never use? Or if you have a double-barrelled Christian name and have dropped one of the barrels? Also if you do your full name, what if you are known by two different versions, like for example, a woman who uses different surnames?Just wondering what opinions and feelings are from the experts on board.LEXXThis might be of help to you: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001604.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001841.html Your birth name shows your life path potentials. Your married name, who you are as a wife/mother. Your married/birth name together, the complete you now. As to your church given name, Lexigram your full name that way too. It can show that aspect of you and how it can affect your life.The various versions can also reflect how you are perceived by others and the public, the community, one's profession (adding DR. for example) and legally.Nick names can have bearing too.Feel free to ask more questions if the above has not sufficed.Thanks for your interest in Lexigramming! I have been doing them for over 4 1/2 decades to date.------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________EleanoreGood question, blue moon. As usual, LEXX has an intriguing and worthwhile perspective. Imo, also, the name that you are known by most is the one with the stronger bearing but certainly all of your names and their usages have an influence in your life. Curious, too, to think of given "Sunday names" that aren't often used. What influence was being imparted? What inspired the name besides meaning? I'd also look into the numerology and see what influences you have on the borders there, too. I don't know how much influence such secondary or tertiary numbers would have but it's certainly interesting particularly if you find a pattern. LEXXThanks Eleanore! Using simply the name most know me by in my offline life...I lose the other really cool/useful words my FULL name gives such as:WRITE TALE WRITER FAME TRANCE CLARITY YET LIBRARY CEREBRAL ICE NICE LET BET RARE RARITY CYBER TREE FERN FERNY IN BY AN TRAINER BEATIFY TREAT TELL Full names tell more..but..Adding words from my FULL name would really help my short Lexigram below.Still my common first name alone is interesting.I AM A MALEI AM A FEMALEI AM LAMEI FEEL ILL FRAIL I FALLI FEAR YEA I YELL...A RELIEF I RALLYI FEEL FIRMLY A REAL RELIEFI AM A REAL ELFI AM A REAL FAIRYI AM A REAL FAIRY ELFMY FAIRY ELF REALM,MY LIFE REALM REALLY REALI AM FREEI FLY FREELYI REALLY FLY FREE MY FAIRY REALM REALERE FAME I FEEL REALMY REAL LIFE REALI AM FIERYFAIRLY I FLAME, REALLY FLAME FIERYI MERELY, FREELY,MY REAL LIFE A RELIEF I FEELEARLY I LAYMY FAIRY ELF LAIRA RELIEF REALM I FEELI AIR MY FEAR FREELYI MERELY FELL MY FEARA RELIEFMY REAL LIFEA RELIEF I FEELI AM FREEMY RELIEF?MY ALLY?ARE REAL..AERIE, LEAF, ELM, FAIRY, ELF, EYRIE, LIFE, FAMILY, LILY, FARM, FIRE, FLAME,MY EAR, MY EYE, I AM, I FEELA RELIEF YEAR, MY RELIEF ERAFRAME MY FAME FREELYI FLAY MY FEAR, MY ILL,A REAL RELIEF, I MAY REALLY FLY FREE!blue moonSomewhere in a notebook I have a great quote from a novel, which says something to the effect that: we are all anagrams of our antecedents. It is driving me mad trying to remember which notebook that is in, if I find it I will put up the author and book. It was an expression I found intriguing. My paternal family is Ulster Scots. It is/was traditional for boys to be given their mother or grandmother's maiden name as a middle name. For a first name you would likely be sharing with your dad, grandad or uncle. My uncle told me that at a family gathering there were five men in a house and they were all called Jim, with 2 surnames between them. So it is really easy in that cultural environment to have been given a name that really is an anagram of your ancestors. My Grandad (maternal side, English) was called Harry. But his given name was William Henry. It's less common now but I think people still get given family names as first names they never use. I never really got that, and though I named my children for relatives that have passed, I put them in the middle. Just to make things less confusing. Why give people names that aren't used? It's a good question, I'm sure many lexigrammers have middle names they never use. My parents picked mine from the Bible (more because they liked it than religious sentiment) instead of giving me my grandmother's name but I would have liked to carry hers, so that influenced my choice with my boys. I suppose it is partly the idea/feeling of carrying a physical trace of the past. Thank you for your helpful answers, I know I am going to enjoy lexigrams, now I have ventured to try. Normally I am known by my maiden name, but some people prefer to call me by my husband's name or know me by that, I don't mind, so I will try your idea, Lexx. Keeping my birth surname has meant my husband has been called by that, he has never been bothered, but it always makes us laugh. It's not what we are used to, not traditional. Though I had a friend who took his wife's name when he got married. His family weren't very nice to him and he said it represented a new start, and he was proud to be carrying the name of her family and her, as well. I didn't think that was odd. It made sense. LEXXYou have a very fascinating naming history! I do not find the taking or not taking on a married name by either gender as wrong. I say take on the names or not, whatever resonates with one is what matters!I prefer my FULL name with maiden/married hyphenated for Lexigramming. I have been called by them all..so it makes sense to use them all to reflect the complete me! Thank you for your sincere interest in Lexigramming! Lexigramming PS. A question: quote:Somewhere in a notebook I have a great quote from a novel, which says something to the effect that: we are all anagrams of our antecedentsAnagrams or Amalgams? Please find the quote and the book!Thanks!------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________LEXXOK..I found it! quote:'We begin in the world as anagrams of our antecedents' http://notenoughbookshelves.blogspot.com/2008/01/anagrams-of-our-antecedents.html I feel the author may have meant to use the word AMALGAM rather than the word ANAGRAMS. AMALGAMUsage Examplesamalgam Definitionamal·gam (ə mal′gəm)noun 1. any alloy of mercury with another metal or other metals silver amalgam is used as a dental filling 2. a combination or mixture; blendEtymology: ME < ML amalgama, prob. via Ar < Gr malagma, an emollient < malassein, to soften: for IE base see millamalgam Usage ExamplesPreposition: of * style: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles. * group: The favorite dishes are an amalgam of the various ethnic groups who settled here. * people: The story was created as an amalgam of various people, places and stories known to the trainer. Converse of object * represent: The analysis of data herein represents an amalgam of data sources. * create: Some us choose our regional roots, others our religious roots, others create an amalgam by merging cultures. * become: The Scheme must not become an indistinct amalgam of action and as a result each diversity area will be clearly identifiable within the Scheme. * use: Dentists have used amalgam to fill cavities since the 1800s. * make: I came back to the inn, asked for some large empty bottles, and made the amalgam. * have: There isn't much about the promised 802.11 security infrastructure in chapter six: instead we have another amalgam of security problems. Adjective modifier * dental: A current cause for concern is the emission of mercury from dental amalgams. * strange: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles. * complex: The heritage Criteria of nations in Bloom judging is a complex amalgam of built, natural, cultural and social dimensions of a community. * unique: SANTA CRUZ METRO The sisters ' music is a unique amalgam of influences. * curious: A curious amalgam of images crystallized on a translucent screen. * bizarre: A bizarre amalgam of modernist esthetics and Gothic might, the cathedral is still unfinished, with the completion date rumored to be 2020. Modifies a noun * filling: Over 90 % of the mercury stored in human tissue is from amalgam fillings. * restoration: The lower right 6 had a large amalgam restoration, indicating the start of a periapical infection. * removal: Four of the visits are used for the amalgam removal with 10 days between visits. * waste: Care should be taken when amalgam waste that has contacted human body fluids is handled. Noun used with modifier * mercury: Here's Health Magazine carried out a campaign on the adverse effects of mercury amalgam some years ago. http://www.yourdictionary.com/amalgam That would make more sense with ancestries and how we carry aspects of our ancestors in ourselves and yes, our names/namings too. Perhaps that "name/naming aspect is why she used the word ANAGRAMS instead of AMALGAMS.------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________LEXXan·a·gram (n-grm)n.1. A word or phrase formed by reordering the letters of another word or phrase, such as satin to stain.2. anagrams (used with a sing. verb) A game in which players form words from a group of randomly picked letters.[New Latin anagramma, from Greek anagrammatismos, from anagrammatizein, to rearrange letters in a word : ana-, from bottom to top; see ana- + gramma, grammat-, letter; see gerbh- in Indo-European roots.]ana·gram·matic (-gr-mtk) adj.ana·gram·mati·cal·ly adv.The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.anagramNouna word or phrase made by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase [Greek anagrammatizein to transpose letters]Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006anagram1. a word or phrase composed by rearranging the letters in another word or phrase.2. a game based upon this activity.See also: Games-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. anagram - a word or phrase spelled by rearranging the letters of another word or phraseword - a unit of language that native speakers can identify; "words are the blocks from which sentences are made"; "he hardly said ten words all morning"antigram - an anagram that means the opposite of the original word or phrase; "`restful' is the antigram of `fluster'"Verb 1. anagram - read letters out of order to discover a hidden meaninganagrammatise, anagrammatizeread - interpret something that is written or printed; "read the advertisement"; "Have you read Salman Rushdie?"Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________LEXXan·te·ce·dent (nt-sdnt)adj.Going before; preceding.n.1. One that precedes another.2.a. A preceding occurrence, cause, or event. See Synonyms at cause.b. antecedents The important events and occurrences in one's early life.3. antecedents One's ancestors.4. Grammar The word, phrase, or clause that determines what a pronoun refers to, as the children in The teacher asked the children where they were going.5. Mathematics The first term of a ratio.6. Logic The conditional member of a hypothetical proposition.ante·cedent·ly adv.The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.antecedentNoun1. an event or circumstance that happens or exists before another2. Grammar a word or phrase to which a relative pronoun, such as who, refers3. antecedents a person's ancestors and past historyAdjectivepreceding in time or order [Latin antecedere to go before]Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. antecedentantecedent - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)ancestor, ascendant, ascendent, rootancestress - a woman ancestorforbear, forebear - a person from whom you are descendedforefather, sire, father - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"foremother - a woman ancestorprimogenitor, progenitor - an ancestor in the direct linerelative, relation - a person related by blood or marriage; "police are searching for relatives of the deceased"; "he has distant relations back in New Jersey" 2. antecedent - a preceding occurrence or cause or eventcause - events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something; "they are trying to determine the cause of the crash" 3. antecedent - anything that precedes something similar in time; "phrenology was an antecedent of modern neuroscience"forerunnertemporal relation - a relation involving time 4. antecedent - the referent of an anaphor; a phrase or clause that is referred to by an anaphoric pronounreferent - something referred to; the object of a referenceAdj. 1. antecedent - preceding in time or orderpreceding - existing or coming beforesubsequent - following in time or order; "subsequent developments"Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.antecedentadjective preceding, earlier, former, previous, prior, preliminary, foregoing, anterior, precursory << OPPOSITE subsequentCollins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________blue moonOh, thank you! Yes, that title seems familiar, that is one I've read. It was her editor's tea break. RandallInteresting info.------------------"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultzblue moonFollowing on from the 'any Piscean politicians?' thread on the Astrology Forum, I thought I would check out the Wordsmith anagram maker (as advised by Lexx) using the name GORDON BROWN and have a twiddle with the results, these are my first efforts:GO DOWN NOWBOND GONE WRONGWORN DOWN BONDThe looming recession isn't helping his political prospects, that's true enough. And he was the Chancellor of the Exchequer before he was PM. Unsuprisingly for a Scot, he has a Sunday name. So using his full name, JAMES GORDON BROWN, I came up with:NEWBORN SORROWRAWBONED SORROWWOMAN WRONGED A man with Venus CNJ Mars in Pisces in the 12th must have hidden passions. Not sure what the woman is all about, but he did lose his daughter Jennifer Jane. He has spoken eloquently about this traumatic event to the press. He didn't have much choice as he was in the public eye when she was born (and passed away). If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say. LEXX quote:If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say.I'd say you are on the right track Lexigrammatically. However....you can only get "GONE' whilst Lexigramming his full name "JAMES GORDON BROWN".------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________blue moonOh, yes, maybe doing one list and then the other rather than scribbling down everything on one page will save making that mistake again. LEXXEven by hand I get confused too! I get to jotting words down on various pieces of paper without remembering to put the name at the top so have made exactly the same mistake! My last two Lexigrams posted here were like that. Man the many errors I had to fix in both!Some not caught even until I posted them! It happens! ------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________
So I wonder, if you do a lexigram of someone's name, what should you use?
What if you have a 'sunday name', something the priest/registrar/grandparent gave you but you never use? Or if you have a double-barrelled Christian name and have dropped one of the barrels?
Also if you do your full name, what if you are known by two different versions, like for example, a woman who uses different surnames?
Just wondering what opinions and feelings are from the experts on board.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001841.html
Your birth name shows your life path potentials. Your married name, who you are as a wife/mother. Your married/birth name together, the complete you now. As to your church given name, Lexigram your full name that way too. It can show that aspect of you and how it can affect your life.The various versions can also reflect how you are perceived by others and the public, the community, one's profession (adding DR. for example) and legally.Nick names can have bearing too.
Feel free to ask more questions if the above has not sufficed.Thanks for your interest in Lexigramming! I have been doing them for over 4 1/2 decades to date.
------------------It is not about waiting for storms to pass...it is about learning to dance in the rain!__________________________________________________________________________
Imo, also, the name that you are known by most is the one with the stronger bearing but certainly all of your names and their usages have an influence in your life. Curious, too, to think of given "Sunday names" that aren't often used. What influence was being imparted? What inspired the name besides meaning?
I'd also look into the numerology and see what influences you have on the borders there, too. I don't know how much influence such secondary or tertiary numbers would have but it's certainly interesting particularly if you find a pattern.
I AM A MALEI AM A FEMALE
I AM LAMEI FEEL ILL FRAIL I FALLI FEAR YEA I YELL...A RELIEF I RALLYI FEEL FIRMLY A REAL RELIEF
I AM A REAL ELFI AM A REAL FAIRYI AM A REAL FAIRY ELFMY FAIRY ELF REALM,MY LIFE REALM REALLY REALI AM FREEI FLY FREELYI REALLY FLY FREE MY FAIRY REALM REALERE FAME I FEEL REAL
MY REAL LIFE REALI AM FIERYFAIRLY I FLAME, REALLY FLAME FIERYI MERELY, FREELY,MY REAL LIFE A RELIEF I FEEL
EARLY I LAYMY FAIRY ELF LAIRA RELIEF REALM I FEELI AIR MY FEAR FREELYI MERELY FELL MY FEARA RELIEFMY REAL LIFEA RELIEF I FEELI AM FREE
MY RELIEF?MY ALLY?ARE REAL..AERIE, LEAF, ELM, FAIRY, ELF, EYRIE, LIFE, FAMILY, LILY, FARM, FIRE, FLAME,
MY EAR, MY EYE, I AM, I FEELA RELIEF YEAR, MY RELIEF ERAFRAME MY FAME FREELYI FLAY MY FEAR, MY ILL,A REAL RELIEF, I MAY REALLY FLY FREE!
It was an expression I found intriguing.
My paternal family is Ulster Scots. It is/was traditional for boys to be given their mother or grandmother's maiden name as a middle name. For a first name you would likely be sharing with your dad, grandad or uncle. My uncle told me that at a family gathering there were five men in a house and they were all called Jim, with 2 surnames between them. So it is really easy in that cultural environment to have been given a name that really is an anagram of your ancestors.
My Grandad (maternal side, English) was called Harry. But his given name was William Henry. It's less common now but I think people still get given family names as first names they never use. I never really got that, and though I named my children for relatives that have passed, I put them in the middle. Just to make things less confusing.
Why give people names that aren't used? It's a good question, I'm sure many lexigrammers have middle names they never use. My parents picked mine from the Bible (more because they liked it than religious sentiment) instead of giving me my grandmother's name but I would have liked to carry hers, so that influenced my choice with my boys. I suppose it is partly the idea/feeling of carrying a physical trace of the past.
Thank you for your helpful answers, I know I am going to enjoy lexigrams, now I have ventured to try.
Normally I am known by my maiden name, but some people prefer to call me by my husband's name or know me by that, I don't mind, so I will try your idea, Lexx. Keeping my birth surname has meant my husband has been called by that, he has never been bothered, but it always makes us laugh. It's not what we are used to, not traditional.
Though I had a friend who took his wife's name when he got married. His family weren't very nice to him and he said it represented a new start, and he was proud to be carrying the name of her family and her, as well. I didn't think that was odd. It made sense.
PS. A question:
quote:Somewhere in a notebook I have a great quote from a novel, which says something to the effect that: we are all anagrams of our antecedents
quote:'We begin in the world as anagrams of our antecedents'
I feel the author may have meant to use the word AMALGAM rather than the word ANAGRAMS.
AMALGAMUsage Examplesamalgam Definition
amal·gam (ə mal′gəm)
noun
1. any alloy of mercury with another metal or other metals silver amalgam is used as a dental filling 2. a combination or mixture; blend
Etymology: ME < ML amalgama, prob. via Ar < Gr malagma, an emollient < malassein, to soften: for IE base see mill
amalgam Usage Examples
Preposition: of
* style: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles. * group: The favorite dishes are an amalgam of the various ethnic groups who settled here. * people: The story was created as an amalgam of various people, places and stories known to the trainer.
Converse of object
* represent: The analysis of data herein represents an amalgam of data sources. * create: Some us choose our regional roots, others our religious roots, others create an amalgam by merging cultures. * become: The Scheme must not become an indistinct amalgam of action and as a result each diversity area will be clearly identifiable within the Scheme. * use: Dentists have used amalgam to fill cavities since the 1800s. * make: I came back to the inn, asked for some large empty bottles, and made the amalgam. * have: There isn't much about the promised 802.11 security infrastructure in chapter six: instead we have another amalgam of security problems.
Adjective modifier
* dental: A current cause for concern is the emission of mercury from dental amalgams. * strange: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles. * complex: The heritage Criteria of nations in Bloom judging is a complex amalgam of built, natural, cultural and social dimensions of a community. * unique: SANTA CRUZ METRO The sisters ' music is a unique amalgam of influences. * curious: A curious amalgam of images crystallized on a translucent screen. * bizarre: A bizarre amalgam of modernist esthetics and Gothic might, the cathedral is still unfinished, with the completion date rumored to be 2020.
Modifies a noun
* filling: Over 90 % of the mercury stored in human tissue is from amalgam fillings. * restoration: The lower right 6 had a large amalgam restoration, indicating the start of a periapical infection. * removal: Four of the visits are used for the amalgam removal with 10 days between visits. * waste: Care should be taken when amalgam waste that has contacted human body fluids is handled.
Noun used with modifier
* mercury: Here's Health Magazine carried out a campaign on the adverse effects of mercury amalgam some years ago. http://www.yourdictionary.com/amalgam
That would make more sense with ancestries and how we carry aspects of our ancestors in ourselves and yes, our names/namings too. Perhaps that "name/naming aspect is why she used the word ANAGRAMS instead of AMALGAMS.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.anagramNouna word or phrase made by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase [Greek anagrammatizein to transpose letters]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006anagram1. a word or phrase composed by rearranging the letters in another word or phrase.2. a game based upon this activity.See also: Games
-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. anagram - a word or phrase spelled by rearranging the letters of another word or phraseword - a unit of language that native speakers can identify; "words are the blocks from which sentences are made"; "he hardly said ten words all morning"antigram - an anagram that means the opposite of the original word or phrase; "`restful' is the antigram of `fluster'"Verb 1. anagram - read letters out of order to discover a hidden meaninganagrammatise, anagrammatizeread - interpret something that is written or printed; "read the advertisement"; "Have you read Salman Rushdie?"Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.antecedentNoun1. an event or circumstance that happens or exists before another2. Grammar a word or phrase to which a relative pronoun, such as who, refers3. antecedents a person's ancestors and past historyAdjectivepreceding in time or order [Latin antecedere to go before]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. antecedentantecedent - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)ancestor, ascendant, ascendent, rootancestress - a woman ancestorforbear, forebear - a person from whom you are descendedforefather, sire, father - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"foremother - a woman ancestorprimogenitor, progenitor - an ancestor in the direct linerelative, relation - a person related by blood or marriage; "police are searching for relatives of the deceased"; "he has distant relations back in New Jersey" 2. antecedent - a preceding occurrence or cause or eventcause - events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something; "they are trying to determine the cause of the crash" 3. antecedent - anything that precedes something similar in time; "phrenology was an antecedent of modern neuroscience"forerunnertemporal relation - a relation involving time 4. antecedent - the referent of an anaphor; a phrase or clause that is referred to by an anaphoric pronounreferent - something referred to; the object of a referenceAdj. 1. antecedent - preceding in time or orderpreceding - existing or coming beforesubsequent - following in time or order; "subsequent developments"Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.antecedentadjective preceding, earlier, former, previous, prior, preliminary, foregoing, anterior, precursory << OPPOSITE subsequent
Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006
It was her editor's tea break.
------------------"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz
GO DOWN NOWBOND GONE WRONGWORN DOWN BOND
The looming recession isn't helping his political prospects, that's true enough. And he was the Chancellor of the Exchequer before he was PM.
Unsuprisingly for a Scot, he has a Sunday name. So using his full name, JAMES GORDON BROWN, I came up with:
NEWBORN SORROWRAWBONED SORROWWOMAN WRONGED
A man with Venus CNJ Mars in Pisces in the 12th must have hidden passions. Not sure what the woman is all about, but he did lose his daughter Jennifer Jane. He has spoken eloquently about this traumatic event to the press. He didn't have much choice as he was in the public eye when she was born (and passed away).
If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say.
quote:If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say.
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