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blue moon
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posted September 05, 2008 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I am an absolute novice at Lexigrams.

So I wonder, if you do a lexigram of someone's name, what should you use?

What if you have a 'sunday name', something the priest/registrar/grandparent gave you but you never use? Or if you have a double-barrelled Christian name and have dropped one of the barrels?

Also if you do your full name, what if you are known by two different versions, like for example, a woman who uses different surnames?

Just wondering what opinions and feelings are from the experts on board.

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posted September 05, 2008 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
This might be of help to you: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001604.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001841.html

Your birth name shows your life path potentials.
Your married name, who you are as a wife/mother.
Your married/birth name together, the complete you now.
As to your church given name, Lexigram your full name that way too. It can show that aspect of you and how it can affect your life.
The various versions can also reflect how you are perceived by others and the public, the community, one's profession (adding DR. for example) and legally.
Nick names can have bearing too.

Feel free to ask more questions if the above has not sufficed.
Thanks for your interest in Lexigramming!
I have been doing them for over 4 1/2 decades to date.

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posted September 07, 2008 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Good question, blue moon. As usual, LEXX has an intriguing and worthwhile perspective.

Imo, also, the name that you are known by most is the one with the stronger bearing but certainly all of your names and their usages have an influence in your life. Curious, too, to think of given "Sunday names" that aren't often used. What influence was being imparted? What inspired the name besides meaning?

I'd also look into the numerology and see what influences you have on the borders there, too. I don't know how much influence such secondary or tertiary numbers would have but it's certainly interesting particularly if you find a pattern.

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posted September 07, 2008 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Eleanore!
Using simply the name most know me by in my offline life...
I lose the other really cool/useful words my FULL name gives such as:
WRITE TALE WRITER FAME TRANCE CLARITY YET LIBRARY CEREBRAL ICE NICE LET BET RARE RARITY CYBER TREE FERN FERNY IN BY AN TRAINER BEATIFY TREAT TELL
Full names tell more..but..
Adding words from my FULL name would really help my short Lexigram below.
Still my common first name alone is interesting.

I AM A MALE
I AM A FEMALE

I AM LAME
I FEEL ILL
FRAIL I FALL
I FEAR
YEA I YELL...
A RELIEF I RALLY
I FEEL FIRMLY A REAL RELIEF

I AM A REAL ELF
I AM A REAL FAIRY
I AM A REAL FAIRY ELF
MY FAIRY ELF REALM,
MY LIFE REALM REALLY REAL
I AM FREE
I FLY FREELY
I REALLY FLY FREE
MY FAIRY REALM REAL
ERE FAME I FEEL REAL

MY REAL LIFE REAL
I AM FIERY
FAIRLY I FLAME,
REALLY FLAME FIERY
I MERELY, FREELY,
MY REAL LIFE
A RELIEF I FEEL

EARLY I LAY
MY FAIRY ELF LAIR
A RELIEF REALM I FEEL
I AIR MY FEAR FREELY
I MERELY FELL MY FEAR
A RELIEF
MY REAL LIFE
A RELIEF I FEEL
I AM FREE

MY RELIEF?
MY ALLY?
ARE REAL..
AERIE, LEAF, ELM,
FAIRY, ELF, EYRIE,
LIFE, FAMILY, LILY,
FARM, FIRE, FLAME,

MY EAR, MY EYE,
I AM, I FEEL
A RELIEF YEAR,
MY RELIEF ERA
FRAME MY FAME FREELY
I FLAY MY FEAR, MY ILL,
A REAL RELIEF,
I MAY REALLY FLY FREE!

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posted September 07, 2008 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Somewhere in a notebook I have a great quote from a novel, which says something to the effect that: we are all anagrams of our antecedents. It is driving me mad trying to remember which notebook that is in, if I find it I will put up the author and book.

It was an expression I found intriguing.

My paternal family is Ulster Scots. It is/was traditional for boys to be given their mother or grandmother's maiden name as a middle name. For a first name you would likely be sharing with your dad, grandad or uncle. My uncle told me that at a family gathering there were five men in a house and they were all called Jim, with 2 surnames between them. So it is really easy in that cultural environment to have been given a name that really is an anagram of your ancestors.

My Grandad (maternal side, English) was called Harry. But his given name was William Henry. It's less common now but I think people still get given family names as first names they never use. I never really got that, and though I named my children for relatives that have passed, I put them in the middle. Just to make things less confusing.

Why give people names that aren't used? It's a good question, I'm sure many lexigrammers have middle names they never use. My parents picked mine from the Bible (more because they liked it than religious sentiment) instead of giving me my grandmother's name but I would have liked to carry hers, so that influenced my choice with my boys. I suppose it is partly the idea/feeling of carrying a physical trace of the past.

Thank you for your helpful answers, I know I am going to enjoy lexigrams, now I have ventured to try.

Normally I am known by my maiden name, but some people prefer to call me by my husband's name or know me by that, I don't mind, so I will try your idea, Lexx. Keeping my birth surname has meant my husband has been called by that, he has never been bothered, but it always makes us laugh. It's not what we are used to, not traditional.

Though I had a friend who took his wife's name when he got married. His family weren't very nice to him and he said it represented a new start, and he was proud to be carrying the name of her family and her, as well. I didn't think that was odd. It made sense.

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posted September 07, 2008 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
You have a very fascinating naming history!
I do not find the taking or not taking on a married name by either gender as wrong. I say take on the names or not, whatever resonates with one is what matters!
I prefer my FULL name with maiden/married hyphenated for Lexigramming. I have been called by them all..so it makes sense to use them all to reflect the complete me!
Thank you for your sincere interest in Lexigramming!
Lexigramming

PS. A question:

quote:
Somewhere in a notebook I have a great quote from a novel, which says something to the effect that: we are all anagrams of our antecedents

Anagrams or Amalgams?
Please find the quote and the book!
Thanks!

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posted September 07, 2008 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
OK..I found it!
quote:
'We begin in the world as anagrams of our antecedents'

http://notenoughbookshelves.blogspot.com/2008/01/anagrams-of-our-antecedents.html

I feel the author may have meant to use the word AMALGAM rather than the word ANAGRAMS.

AMALGAM
Usage Examples
amalgam Definition

amal·gam (ə mal′gəm)

noun

1. any alloy of mercury with another metal or other metals silver amalgam is used as a dental filling
2. a combination or mixture; blend

Etymology: ME < ML amalgama, prob. via Ar < Gr malagma, an emollient < malassein, to soften: for IE base see mill

amalgam Usage Examples

Preposition: of

* style: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles.
* group: The favorite dishes are an amalgam of the various ethnic groups who settled here.
* people: The story was created as an amalgam of various people, places and stories known to the trainer.

Converse of object

* represent: The analysis of data herein represents an amalgam of data sources.
* create: Some us choose our regional roots, others our religious roots, others create an amalgam by merging cultures.
* become: The Scheme must not become an indistinct amalgam of action and as a result each diversity area will be clearly identifiable within the Scheme.
* use: Dentists have used amalgam to fill cavities since the 1800s.
* make: I came back to the inn, asked for some large empty bottles, and made the amalgam.
* have: There isn't much about the promised 802.11 security infrastructure in chapter six: instead we have another amalgam of security problems.

Adjective modifier

* dental: A current cause for concern is the emission of mercury from dental amalgams.
* strange: The town itself was a strange amalgam of styles.
* complex: The heritage Criteria of nations in Bloom judging is a complex amalgam of built, natural, cultural and social dimensions of a community.
* unique: SANTA CRUZ METRO The sisters ' music is a unique amalgam of influences.
* curious: A curious amalgam of images crystallized on a translucent screen.
* bizarre: A bizarre amalgam of modernist esthetics and Gothic might, the cathedral is still unfinished, with the completion date rumored to be 2020.

Modifies a noun

* filling: Over 90 % of the mercury stored in human tissue is from amalgam fillings.
* restoration: The lower right 6 had a large amalgam restoration, indicating the start of a periapical infection.
* removal: Four of the visits are used for the amalgam removal with 10 days between visits.
* waste: Care should be taken when amalgam waste that has contacted human body fluids is handled.

Noun used with modifier

* mercury: Here's Health Magazine carried out a campaign on the adverse effects of mercury amalgam some years ago.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/amalgam

That would make more sense with ancestries and how we carry aspects of our ancestors in ourselves and yes, our names/namings too. Perhaps that "name/naming aspect is why she used the word ANAGRAMS instead of AMALGAMS.

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posted September 07, 2008 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
an·a·gram (n-grm)
n.
1. A word or phrase formed by reordering the letters of another word or phrase, such as satin to stain.
2. anagrams (used with a sing. verb) A game in which players form words from a group of randomly picked letters.
[New Latin anagramma, from Greek anagrammatismos, from anagrammatizein, to rearrange letters in a word : ana-, from bottom to top; see ana- + gramma, grammat-, letter; see gerbh- in Indo-European roots.]
ana·gram·matic (-gr-mtk) adj.
ana·gram·mati·cal·ly adv.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
anagram
Noun
a word or phrase made by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase [Greek anagrammatizein to transpose letters]

Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
anagram
1. a word or phrase composed by rearranging the letters in another word or phrase.
2. a game based upon this activity.
See also: Games

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ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. anagram - a word or phrase spelled by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase
word - a unit of language that native speakers can identify; "words are the blocks from which sentences are made"; "he hardly said ten words all morning"
antigram - an anagram that means the opposite of the original word or phrase; "`restful' is the antigram of `fluster'"
Verb 1. anagram - read letters out of order to discover a hidden meaning
anagrammatise, anagrammatize
read - interpret something that is written or printed; "read the advertisement"; "Have you read Salman Rushdie?"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

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posted September 07, 2008 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
an·te·ce·dent (nt-sdnt)
adj.
Going before; preceding.
n.
1. One that precedes another.
2.
a. A preceding occurrence, cause, or event. See Synonyms at cause.
b. antecedents The important events and occurrences in one's early life.
3. antecedents One's ancestors.
4. Grammar The word, phrase, or clause that determines what a pronoun refers to, as the children in The teacher asked the children where they were going.
5. Mathematics The first term of a ratio.
6. Logic The conditional member of a hypothetical proposition.
ante·cedent·ly adv.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
antecedent
Noun
1. an event or circumstance that happens or exists before another
2. Grammar a word or phrase to which a relative pronoun, such as who, refers
3. antecedents a person's ancestors and past history
Adjective
preceding in time or order [Latin antecedere to go before]

Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. antecedentantecedent - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)
ancestor, ascendant, ascendent, root
ancestress - a woman ancestor
forbear, forebear - a person from whom you are descended
forefather, sire, father - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"
foremother - a woman ancestor
primogenitor, progenitor - an ancestor in the direct line
relative, relation - a person related by blood or marriage; "police are searching for relatives of the deceased"; "he has distant relations back in New Jersey"
2. antecedent - a preceding occurrence or cause or event
cause - events that provide the generative force that is the origin of something; "they are trying to determine the cause of the crash"
3. antecedent - anything that precedes something similar in time; "phrenology was an antecedent of modern neuroscience"
forerunner
temporal relation - a relation involving time
4. antecedent - the referent of an anaphor; a phrase or clause that is referred to by an anaphoric pronoun
referent - something referred to; the object of a reference
Adj. 1. antecedent - preceding in time or order
preceding - existing or coming before
subsequent - following in time or order; "subsequent developments"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
antecedent
adjective preceding, earlier, former, previous, prior, preliminary, foregoing, anterior, precursory << OPPOSITE subsequent

Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006

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posted September 07, 2008 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, thank you! Yes, that title seems familiar, that is one I've read.

It was her editor's tea break.

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posted September 08, 2008 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting info.

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posted September 09, 2008 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Following on from the 'any Piscean politicians?' thread on the Astrology Forum, I thought I would check out the Wordsmith anagram maker (as advised by Lexx) using the name GORDON BROWN and have a twiddle with the results, these are my first efforts:

GO DOWN NOW
BOND GONE WRONG
WORN DOWN BOND

The looming recession isn't helping his political prospects, that's true enough. And he was the Chancellor of the Exchequer before he was PM.

Unsuprisingly for a Scot, he has a Sunday name. So using his full name, JAMES GORDON BROWN, I came up with:

NEWBORN SORROW
RAWBONED SORROW
WOMAN WRONGED

A man with Venus CNJ Mars in Pisces in the 12th must have hidden passions. Not sure what the woman is all about, but he did lose his daughter Jennifer Jane. He has spoken eloquently about this traumatic event to the press. He didn't have much choice as he was in the public eye when she was born (and passed away).

If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say.

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posted September 09, 2008 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
If I am getting the wrong idea, please someone jump up and say.
I'd say you are on the right track Lexigrammatically.
However....you can only get "GONE' whilst Lexigramming his full name "JAMES GORDON BROWN".

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posted September 09, 2008 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, yes, maybe doing one list and then the other rather than scribbling down everything on one page will save making that mistake again.

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posted September 09, 2008 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Even by hand I get confused too! I get to jotting words down on various pieces of paper without remembering to put the name at the top so have made exactly the same mistake!
My last two Lexigrams posted here were like that. Man the many errors I had to fix in both!
Some not caught even until I posted them!
It happens!

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