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T O P I C R E V I E WPixieJaneTwo unrelated threads on LL today made me think of Hatsune Miku, a pop star sensation in Japan (and spreading) who (that?) is a computer generated hologram and vocaloid (that is, no one truly sings for her, the computer performs the song). Here she's being gloriously, enthusiastically, shamelessly narcissist, and PEOPLE LOVE IT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O17f3lB7BFY What I find so hilarious about this is that she's an illusion, she doesn't exist, and yet comes off so narcissist (which is pointless if you don't exist and don't have an ego). It must make the real life narcissists weep to see holographic vocaloid get away with that when they'll never be as loved and admired as this imaginary character is (those people in the crowd PAID to get in!). FaithThat is hilarious.I know some people who are sorta like that.teaselThat was... odd. teaselOn the whole narcissist side of things: I lived for a long time, as though nobody would care about whatever was going on in my life. When you're like that, there are people who will remind you that you matter, and want to hear more from you...If you do end up sharing more, you get people assuming that you think that everyone must care. I had something like that happen recently, and it simply wasn't true, but their glee in being nasty is what bothered me. I commented on one thing, for the first time in months, didn't give lengthy updates on anything in my life, but they acted as though I had.So where do you draw the line? I have been feeling more hermit-like, and closed-off, partially because I feel better when I live that way, but it's also safer. But if I had remained closed off, I wouldn't have made friends.Maybe this belongs in another thread, but this is something that has been on my mind over the past two days.PixieJane^^Yeah, belongs more in SPITR (though I do understand the nature of rambling off topic).It sounds to me like you can't tell the difference between people. I don't have that problem with my friends because I almost never get that close to the bad apples you describe in the first place, and if I do then I put them at a distance when I find that's what to expect from them. That's where I draw the line myself, by deciding which ones I'm close to and which ones I keep at a distance and therefore don't have to worry about what you described. And it's fairly similar (though more complicated) with my family.Please, if you want to talk about it more then post in SPITR, I'll probably reflect on how I do what I do and share, and I'm sure others will, too. But I was hoping to keep this thread lighthearted. EllynlvxWhat's a Narcissist?PixieJane quote:Originally posted by Ellynlvx:What's a Narcissist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism And applied to the "#1 princess" hologram quote:Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other. quote:Glibness/superficial charmGrandiose sense of self-worthOf course, Hatsune Miku has no sense of self-worth or entitlement at all as she/it doesn't exist (she's essentially a high-tech, state of the art puppet), and yet she has a fan following as if she were real AND fans who PAY to see her act in a way that would really annoy them if a real person displayed that sort of attitude & behavior. The irony of that is what amuses me. Ami AnneI did not see the clip but there is one way to get rid of a Narc( or make them leave YOU alone and find someone else to harass) The way is to take off their mask and do it in public ------------------Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/PixieJane^^Not really, at least not in the case of genuine narcissists. They're pretty much of the philosophy that there's no such thing as bad publicity, only in their case it's not about cynical manipulation for profit (as entertainers will often do, but it's strategy for them, not narcissism) but rather a need for personal attention (lacking attention is like lacking air for them), and their relationships tend to be dysfunctional and filled with co-dependents so they're no stranger to scandal (that's part of what makes this funny, unless filthy rich they'd never have the fans of Hatsune Miku, and even Paris Hilton isn't exactly popular, save by the press). It's people who aren't narcs who fear the wrong sort of attention...well, I suppose the "group narcissists" (that is, they're narcissists but for their clique, corporation, church, etc) might not want to fail to measure up to group standards, not sure about that one.Oh! Another fun one, from the Simpsons, Mr. Burns sings It's a High to be Loathed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrAELby068 Again, I'd like to keep this lighthearted, please.PixieJaneIt just occurs to me...people on LL saw my "Two unrelated threads on LL today" and assumed I meant POSTER rather than subject!That's not the case. It was the subject matter, one I believe was a thread on sociopaths (there were two of them and it was one that counted as one of the two). In no way was this thread meant to be directed at anyone here. It was meant to be a fun thread, especially as some complain of all the drama and/or spiritual posturing and I thought this escaped both and would thus be enjoyed. I forgot to put on my LL hyperviglant glasses that are constantly scanning for personal attacks and seeing them everywhere where none was intended. I should've been clearer. 1. LL is Scorpio2. LL is Scorpio3. LL is Scorpio4. LL is Scorpio5. LL is Scorpio6. LL is Scorpio7. LL is ScorpioThere, I typed that out (and said it out loud as I did so) 7 times (not pasted it) in the hopes it helps me to remember that there is no thread so fun or innocent that it won't be scanned for personal attacks (with constant false pings).Strangely, I'm kind of the opposite. Like I thought one guy was being tongue in cheek in replying to me and then he apologized for being rude when I hadn't even realized he had been. It's amazing how "tone" can change the character of a post, and most people at LL apparently imagine a very disapproving tone of some kind whereas I tend to imagine a more friendly one since there is no real tone to gauge. teaselOh! No. My mind briefly went there, but didn't stay. I was just curious. I would let you know privately, a specific incident that got my thought's rolling on this. I gave vague examples, but it was something that happened last weekend.I have been concerned about talking too much, though. I was just sort of spilling everywhere when I was under pressure every single day. That's eased up considerably (for now), so I'm more relaxed in general, but I'm also much quieter. teaselWhen I'm in a good mood, I tend to take something as a joke. Someone told me late last year, that I'm incredibly forgiving. It made me wonder what I'd missed from them, if I had. I prefer it when rudeness goes right over my head. RandallI keep forgetting LL is Scorpio.
What I find so hilarious about this is that she's an illusion, she doesn't exist, and yet comes off so narcissist (which is pointless if you don't exist and don't have an ego). It must make the real life narcissists weep to see holographic vocaloid get away with that when they'll never be as loved and admired as this imaginary character is (those people in the crowd PAID to get in!).
I know some people who are sorta like that.
If you do end up sharing more, you get people assuming that you think that everyone must care. I had something like that happen recently, and it simply wasn't true, but their glee in being nasty is what bothered me. I commented on one thing, for the first time in months, didn't give lengthy updates on anything in my life, but they acted as though I had.
So where do you draw the line? I have been feeling more hermit-like, and closed-off, partially because I feel better when I live that way, but it's also safer. But if I had remained closed off, I wouldn't have made friends.
Maybe this belongs in another thread, but this is something that has been on my mind over the past two days.
Yeah, belongs more in SPITR (though I do understand the nature of rambling off topic).
It sounds to me like you can't tell the difference between people. I don't have that problem with my friends because I almost never get that close to the bad apples you describe in the first place, and if I do then I put them at a distance when I find that's what to expect from them. That's where I draw the line myself, by deciding which ones I'm close to and which ones I keep at a distance and therefore don't have to worry about what you described. And it's fairly similar (though more complicated) with my family.
Please, if you want to talk about it more then post in SPITR, I'll probably reflect on how I do what I do and share, and I'm sure others will, too. But I was hoping to keep this thread lighthearted.
quote:Originally posted by Ellynlvx:What's a Narcissist?
And applied to the "#1 princess" hologram
quote:Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
quote:Glibness/superficial charmGrandiose sense of self-worth
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Of course, Hatsune Miku has no sense of self-worth or entitlement at all as she/it doesn't exist (she's essentially a high-tech, state of the art puppet), and yet she has a fan following as if she were real AND fans who PAY to see her act in a way that would really annoy them if a real person displayed that sort of attitude & behavior. The irony of that is what amuses me.
------------------Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
Not really, at least not in the case of genuine narcissists. They're pretty much of the philosophy that there's no such thing as bad publicity, only in their case it's not about cynical manipulation for profit (as entertainers will often do, but it's strategy for them, not narcissism) but rather a need for personal attention (lacking attention is like lacking air for them), and their relationships tend to be dysfunctional and filled with co-dependents so they're no stranger to scandal (that's part of what makes this funny, unless filthy rich they'd never have the fans of Hatsune Miku, and even Paris Hilton isn't exactly popular, save by the press). It's people who aren't narcs who fear the wrong sort of attention...well, I suppose the "group narcissists" (that is, they're narcissists but for their clique, corporation, church, etc) might not want to fail to measure up to group standards, not sure about that one.
Oh! Another fun one, from the Simpsons, Mr. Burns sings It's a High to be Loathed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrAELby068
Again, I'd like to keep this lighthearted, please.
That's not the case. It was the subject matter, one I believe was a thread on sociopaths (there were two of them and it was one that counted as one of the two).
In no way was this thread meant to be directed at anyone here. It was meant to be a fun thread, especially as some complain of all the drama and/or spiritual posturing and I thought this escaped both and would thus be enjoyed. I forgot to put on my LL hyperviglant glasses that are constantly scanning for personal attacks and seeing them everywhere where none was intended. I should've been clearer.
1. LL is Scorpio
2. LL is Scorpio
3. LL is Scorpio
4. LL is Scorpio
5. LL is Scorpio
6. LL is Scorpio
7. LL is Scorpio
There, I typed that out (and said it out loud as I did so) 7 times (not pasted it) in the hopes it helps me to remember that there is no thread so fun or innocent that it won't be scanned for personal attacks (with constant false pings).
Strangely, I'm kind of the opposite. Like I thought one guy was being tongue in cheek in replying to me and then he apologized for being rude when I hadn't even realized he had been. It's amazing how "tone" can change the character of a post, and most people at LL apparently imagine a very disapproving tone of some kind whereas I tend to imagine a more friendly one since there is no real tone to gauge.
I have been concerned about talking too much, though. I was just sort of spilling everywhere when I was under pressure every single day. That's eased up considerably (for now), so I'm more relaxed in general, but I'm also much quieter.
I prefer it when rudeness goes right over my head.
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