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T O P I C R E V I E WValmu83 Can someone help me to understand my T-square and how to balance it? Im try to find practical advices.Its between Chiron-Jupiter-Venus and Venus 12th house cusp is the focal planet. Its also mutable so that might make easier. Release point is at 5th house 2Pisces37. But I dont what to do in real life to get rid of this.GrahamWhat is your current interpretation/understanding of how this T-square manifests in your life, Valmu?And how do you relate this to the event(s) created by the transit of Mercury through 1Scorpio00 to 3Scorpio47 - which activated the T-square (in 2020) on 28+29+30 September; 1st October; 25+26+27 October ... and is doing so currently (on 12+13+14 November?Valmu83 quote:Originally posted by Graham:What is [b]your[b] current interpretation/understanding of how this T-square manifests in your life, Valmu?And how do you relate this to the event(s) created by the transit of Mercury through 1Scorpio00 to 3Scorpio47 - which activated the T-square (in 2020) on 28+29+30 September; 1st October; 25+26+27 October ... and is doing so currently (on 12+13+14 November?Thatīs difficult question. I mostly feel Venus-Chiron square and I have experience that love hurts. Not able to find balanced relationship. As Venus is retrograde and 12th house cusp it might made it even worse. I have never understood what 9th house Chiron might be in my case. I donīt have big issues with religion or higher education. I found problematic that my mom taught me that sex and love should only happen in marriage. But that is not the root of my problems. Its more like i donīt have enough trust to men that i could enter into relationship that is intimate.Jupiter third house...i donīt know.. Always had problems to tell about my inner feelings. But I wrote letters to my parents when I was child and mails to my friends when I was young adult. But Iīm now much better to speak it out loud with strangers and friends. But it is still hard in romantic situations. Its hard to say someones behaviour is hurting me. But is also because I have been a l w a y s rejected by love partners. Twice this year. Jupiter square Venus should be easy square. I have weight issues, because of this(?) Iīm unhappy I eat. If 5th house is the resolution point then its also this: I donīt want to have fun alone. And do things alone (or with friends). It makes me even more depressed. But that might be what I should to feel more balanced. And yes it will do so time to time..but there is no change in my life. Painful experiences are just repeating themselves.End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)Beginning of October.. I donīt remember anything particular. Now there is too much work. I tried to share responsibilities but apparently Iīm only one available. I think my love interest will take contact during weekend and will say he wont be able to participate my party next Monday. Or then he will text it last minute Monday..I try to do less work.Hard to lift some separate issues as Iīm currently feeling bad and rejected all the time. GrahamOriginally posted by Valmu :- quote:If 5th house is the resolution point ...... The resolution point is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGOThis shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The Petrified Forest shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps youre like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important. Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history. The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/ 1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus? 3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds."Valmu83 quote:Originally posted by Graham:Originally posted by Valmu :- The resolution point [b]is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGOThis shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The Petrified Forest shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps youre like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important. Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history. The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/ 1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus? 3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds."[/B]1. Firstly I donīt understand fully Sabian Symbol descriptions and donīt know how to form practical way to behave based on those. I donīt even fully understand what is the meaning of my T-square. But I do understand I should not live serving others and I place others needs ahead mine. I have tried to pay attention to that little bit. I just doīt at the moment see how that would change my love life. If my T-square is not about that, please tell me. 2. Because I think I have good sense of myself. I might have some problems but I think I value myself. I have good professional self-esteem, nowadays I mostly have equal friendships. Only when it comes relationships there is still problems. And yes of course it effect my self-image too and should have stronger boundaries. I would like to hear practical advices what I should do.. everyday deeds etc. At the moment I donīt feel I have energy to study this by myself and thatīs why I opened this thread. But I tried to answer your questions.3. Virgo 3: This is not true: "Expecting that fate or someone else will always pick up the pieces." I picked myself up till I was 27-28 years old. After that felt it was useless. But I suffered / suffering cause there was no one else to lean on. At the moment I have victim status but its not permanent state in my life. "Resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds." This might be true? Iīm really angry at the moment. Long time I didnīt know I could get help. I was too locked up to speak to my friends. But 5 years ago I went to therapy. Iīm back in therapy currently. Iīm trying to get some help. Mostly I wan to be cured. This has been true: "People appearing when theyre needed. Being saved in the nick of time."Gemini 3: I donīt think I have big issues with this one. Although I recognize those traits as a fleeting thoughts I donīt mirror them, and they are not in line with my values. Iīm sometimes bossy but mostly receive acknowledgment of my social skills and empathy. I like arts and good food. Sagittarius 3: "Depending on pure luck". Maybe if it would mean I rather not make actions by myself. But there has not been any luck in this area of my life. And also when i begin to make actions the outcome was the same. I donīt get this one. GrahamOriginally posted by Valmu :- quote:I just do not at the moment see how that would change my love life. IF MY T-SQUARE IS NOT ABOUT THAT, please tell me.Your T-square is indeed NOT about your love life. ... It is about your self-esteem.However, it "plays out"/impacts upon your relationships because the tension planet (Venus) is in the 11th house (of social relationships) and the point of resolution is in the 5th house (of romantic relationships).Hence ... whilst I agree that you have good professional self-esteem ... the following comment (made in your last reply) reveals a lack of self-esteem in 11th+5th house relationships :- "End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)"For example ... my practical advice is to dump this "love-interest" asap - since he is undermining your self-esteem (which someone who truly loves you will not do). ... However, you know already that, and have known it for some time now - yet are still allowing him to "hang around" (without having ascertained exactly WHY it suits him to do so, and HOW it is damaging you). Valmu83Well if 11th House also signifies the love received from others then I see the issue. Before I felt Im not as important to my friends than they are for me. (Those friends I love) That is mostly fixed. And Im social by nature..so always had friends. What comes social networks I do too much volunteer work. Starting next Jan I dropped all my dudes in that section. But I feel still Im not receiving love from my love interests. Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change. I read somewhere also good aspects to t-square planets can help. There is only Mars making sextile and trine to Jupiter and Chiron. Could this help and how?GrahamOriginally posted by Valmu :- quote:Well if 11th House also signifies the love received from others then I see the issue. Before I felt Im not as important to my friends than they are for me. (Those friends I love) That is mostly fixed. And Im social by nature..so always had friends. What comes social networks I do too much volunteer work. Starting next Jan I dropped all my dudes in that section.Have you ascertained the reason(s) why you were driven to do "too much" volunteer work? quote:But I feel still Im not receiving love from my love interests.That is indeed what you FEEL. ... And that feeling/subjectivity is preventing you from rationally/objectively addressing the real issue (of not ATTRACTING love from your love interests.) ... Hence, the now-ended recent transit of rational/objective Mercury to your T-square. quote:Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?Chiron in Gemini inflicts a wound (in childhood/adolescence) of feeling intellectually "inadequate" within the local community, and its location in the 9th house extends that feeling into the wider community. ... The 9th house is the 2nd house (of own values) from the 8th house of (other people's values). ... Hence, this subconsciously suppressed psychological Chiron wound causes you to believe that others do not value you.Jupiter, in its own sign (of high-minded Sagittarius), challenges that erroneous Chiron belief ... But is hindered by its negative aspects to Sun, Venus, Moon, Uranus - and the discomfort of its 3rd house location. ... This causes you to expect too much from others - and manifests as your belief/"feeling" that friends do not value you as much as you value them.However ... YOU (and only you) can choose to continue allowing those subjective feelings to undermine your relationships, OR to consign them to the past - by mindfully/objectively confronting the childhood events which created them, and reliving them again through your adult eyes.But, the problem with confronting this issue is that you believe yourself to have already done it (via therapy, etc.) ... whereas I believe that (so far) you have only identified this self-esteem issue, so it still needs to be confronted/relived through adult eyes. quote:Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change.How convenient is that for him? ... How inconvenient is it for you? ... And how might your Mars in Leo/10th feel about you using this "difficulty" as an excuse/reason for allowing him to continue treating you badly? quote:I read somewhere also good aspects to t-square planets can help. There is only Mars making sextile and trine to Jupiter and Chiron. Could this help and how?You and I both know that a third planet sextile one and trine the other of two opposing planets is able to "ease" their astrological issue - in the way that a mutually trusted mediator is able to facilitate communications between two people who are unable to talk to each other.BUT, what message do you think is being delivered to Chiron and Jupiter by action-planet Mars in look-at-me Leo and 10th house of status. ... Might it be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxkx341Iv8 ?When you finally find yourself ... you'll discover "somewhere in the crowd" that face which currently you are unable to see.GrahamThe comment quoted below is from a report written for me by a professional astrologer, but applies to the 5th/11th house axis of all natal charts :-"It's fine to form high ideals and principles (11th house), but it is equally important not to neglect what our heart or inner self is telling us (5th house). On the 5th/11th house axis, we get so caught up with thinking our way of behaving is right that we put obstacles in the way of true relationships. Tensions in our relationships tend to show up as inflexible behaviour because we are unwilling to change or compromise. we either go overboard in our spontaneous efforts to impress and attract others (5th) or we're too rigid, over-selective or idealistic (11th). Rather than insisting our way is right and the other is wrong, we should instead aim to relate from the heart - as it's the spirit of relating that matters, or is important, rather than the way we do it. We should aim to relate to others without expecting the reward of boosted self-righteousness or elevated self-esteem. Our task here is to grow from trying to validate our ego by the way we relate, to removing our ego from the equation. When we relate from the heart - from our spirit or soul - we'll be able to achieve balance in our relationships. Then we'll automatically make a genuine contribution to society via our relationships." ...... ... (Quoted from a report written by a professional astrologer, using the Huber Method of Astrological Psychology.)RandallBump!
Can someone help me to understand my T-square and how to balance it? Im try to find practical advices.
Its between Chiron-Jupiter-Venus and Venus 12th house cusp is the focal planet. Its also mutable so that might make easier. Release point is at 5th house 2Pisces37. But I dont what to do in real life to get rid of this.
And how do you relate this to the event(s) created by the transit of Mercury through 1Scorpio00 to 3Scorpio47 - which activated the T-square (in 2020) on 28+29+30 September; 1st October; 25+26+27 October ... and is doing so currently (on 12+13+14 November?
quote:Originally posted by Graham:What is [b]your[b] current interpretation/understanding of how this T-square manifests in your life, Valmu?And how do you relate this to the event(s) created by the transit of Mercury through 1Scorpio00 to 3Scorpio47 - which activated the T-square (in 2020) on 28+29+30 September; 1st October; 25+26+27 October ... and is doing so currently (on 12+13+14 November?
Thatīs difficult question. I mostly feel Venus-Chiron square and I have experience that love hurts. Not able to find balanced relationship. As Venus is retrograde and 12th house cusp it might made it even worse.
I have never understood what 9th house Chiron might be in my case. I donīt have big issues with religion or higher education. I found problematic that my mom taught me that sex and love should only happen in marriage. But that is not the root of my problems. Its more like i donīt have enough trust to men that i could enter into relationship that is intimate.
Jupiter third house...i donīt know.. Always had problems to tell about my inner feelings. But I wrote letters to my parents when I was child and mails to my friends when I was young adult. But Iīm now much better to speak it out loud with strangers and friends. But it is still hard in romantic situations. Its hard to say someones behaviour is hurting me. But is also because I have been a l w a y s rejected by love partners. Twice this year.
Jupiter square Venus should be easy square. I have weight issues, because of this(?) Iīm unhappy I eat.
If 5th house is the resolution point then its also this: I donīt want to have fun alone. And do things alone (or with friends). It makes me even more depressed. But that might be what I should to feel more balanced. And yes it will do so time to time..but there is no change in my life. Painful experiences are just repeating themselves.
End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)
Beginning of October.. I donīt remember anything particular.
Now there is too much work. I tried to share responsibilities but apparently Iīm only one available. I think my love interest will take contact during weekend and will say he wont be able to participate my party next Monday. Or then he will text it last minute Monday..I try to do less work.
Hard to lift some separate issues as Iīm currently feeling bad and rejected all the time.
quote:If 5th house is the resolution point ......
The resolution point is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-
"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGO
This shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The Petrified Forest shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps youre like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important.
Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history.
The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/
1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?
For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?
2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus?
3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds."
quote:Originally posted by Graham:Originally posted by Valmu :- The resolution point [b]is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGOThis shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The Petrified Forest shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps youre like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important. Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history. The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/ 1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus? 3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds."[/B]
The resolution point [b]is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-
3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds."[/B]
1. Firstly I donīt understand fully Sabian Symbol descriptions and donīt know how to form practical way to behave based on those. I donīt even fully understand what is the meaning of my T-square.
But I do understand I should not live serving others and I place others needs ahead mine. I have tried to pay attention to that little bit. I just doīt at the moment see how that would change my love life. If my T-square is not about that, please tell me.
2. Because I think I have good sense of myself. I might have some problems but I think I value myself. I have good professional self-esteem, nowadays I mostly have equal friendships. Only when it comes relationships there is still problems. And yes of course it effect my self-image too and should have stronger boundaries. I would like to hear practical advices what I should do.. everyday deeds etc. At the moment I donīt feel I have energy to study this by myself and thatīs why I opened this thread. But I tried to answer your questions.
3. Virgo 3: This is not true: "Expecting that fate or someone else will always pick up the pieces." I picked myself up till I was 27-28 years old. After that felt it was useless. But I suffered / suffering cause there was no one else to lean on. At the moment I have victim status but its not permanent state in my life.
"Resisting help in order to hang onto your wounds." This might be true? Iīm really angry at the moment. Long time I didnīt know I could get help. I was too locked up to speak to my friends. But 5 years ago I went to therapy. Iīm back in therapy currently. Iīm trying to get some help. Mostly I wan to be cured. This has been true: "People appearing when theyre needed. Being saved in the nick of time."
Gemini 3: I donīt think I have big issues with this one. Although I recognize those traits as a fleeting thoughts I donīt mirror them, and they are not in line with my values. Iīm sometimes bossy but mostly receive acknowledgment of my social skills and empathy. I like arts and good food.
Sagittarius 3: "Depending on pure luck". Maybe if it would mean I rather not make actions by myself. But there has not been any luck in this area of my life. And also when i begin to make actions the outcome was the same. I donīt get this one.
quote:I just do not at the moment see how that would change my love life. IF MY T-SQUARE IS NOT ABOUT THAT, please tell me.
Your T-square is indeed NOT about your love life. ... It is about your self-esteem.
However, it "plays out"/impacts upon your relationships because the tension planet (Venus) is in the 11th house (of social relationships) and the point of resolution is in the 5th house (of romantic relationships).
Hence ... whilst I agree that you have good professional self-esteem ... the following comment (made in your last reply) reveals a lack of self-esteem in 11th+5th house relationships :-
"End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)"
For example ... my practical advice is to dump this "love-interest" asap - since he is undermining your self-esteem (which someone who truly loves you will not do). ... However, you know already that, and have known it for some time now - yet are still allowing him to "hang around" (without having ascertained exactly WHY it suits him to do so, and HOW it is damaging you).
But I feel still Im not receiving love from my love interests. Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?
Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change.
I read somewhere also good aspects to t-square planets can help. There is only Mars making sextile and trine to Jupiter and Chiron. Could this help and how?
quote:Well if 11th House also signifies the love received from others then I see the issue. Before I felt Im not as important to my friends than they are for me. (Those friends I love) That is mostly fixed. And Im social by nature..so always had friends. What comes social networks I do too much volunteer work. Starting next Jan I dropped all my dudes in that section.
quote:But I feel still Im not receiving love from my love interests.
That is indeed what you FEEL. ... And that feeling/subjectivity is preventing you from rationally/objectively addressing the real issue (of not ATTRACTING love from your love interests.) ... Hence, the now-ended recent transit of rational/objective Mercury to your T-square.
quote:Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?
Chiron in Gemini inflicts a wound (in childhood/adolescence) of feeling intellectually "inadequate" within the local community, and its location in the 9th house extends that feeling into the wider community. ... The 9th house is the 2nd house (of own values) from the 8th house of (other people's values). ... Hence, this subconsciously suppressed psychological Chiron wound causes you to believe that others do not value you.
Jupiter, in its own sign (of high-minded Sagittarius), challenges that erroneous Chiron belief ... But is hindered by its negative aspects to Sun, Venus, Moon, Uranus - and the discomfort of its 3rd house location. ... This causes you to expect too much from others - and manifests as your belief/"feeling" that friends do not value you as much as you value them.
However ... YOU (and only you) can choose to continue allowing those subjective feelings to undermine your relationships, OR to consign them to the past - by mindfully/objectively confronting the childhood events which created them, and reliving them again through your adult eyes.
But, the problem with confronting this issue is that you believe yourself to have already done it (via therapy, etc.) ... whereas I believe that (so far) you have only identified this self-esteem issue, so it still needs to be confronted/relived through adult eyes.
quote:Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change.
quote:I read somewhere also good aspects to t-square planets can help. There is only Mars making sextile and trine to Jupiter and Chiron. Could this help and how?
BUT, what message do you think is being delivered to Chiron and Jupiter by action-planet Mars in look-at-me Leo and 10th house of status. ... Might it be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxkx341Iv8 ?
When you finally find yourself ... you'll discover "somewhere in the crowd" that face which currently you are unable to see.
"It's fine to form high ideals and principles (11th house), but it is equally important not to neglect what our heart or inner self is telling us (5th house). On the 5th/11th house axis, we get so caught up with thinking our way of behaving is right that we put obstacles in the way of true relationships. Tensions in our relationships tend to show up as inflexible behaviour because we are unwilling to change or compromise. we either go overboard in our spontaneous efforts to impress and attract others (5th) or we're too rigid, over-selective or idealistic (11th). Rather than insisting our way is right and the other is wrong, we should instead aim to relate from the heart - as it's the spirit of relating that matters, or is important, rather than the way we do it. We should aim to relate to others without expecting the reward of boosted self-righteousness or elevated self-esteem. Our task here is to grow from trying to validate our ego by the way we relate, to removing our ego from the equation. When we relate from the heart - from our spirit or soul - we'll be able to achieve balance in our relationships. Then we'll automatically make a genuine contribution to society via our relationships." ...... ... (Quoted from a report written by a professional astrologer, using the Huber Method of Astrological Psychology.)
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