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scorpiongal
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posted May 02, 2005 06:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see here many talking about Sex.I personally am Scorpio that makes me really passionate.Apart from that I am big sucker of romance.I guess that has got to do with Venus in Libra.I would like sweet little things to be done whispers,phone calls,the whole romance thing.

I had a Libran boyfriend he did all that.It was really nice and was amazing at sex too.It was wonderful experince.

I met Aussie guy and he would always think of sex and talk about it shamelessly and top of that he wasn't at all romatic.Althouh he was cute It was a big turn off. I don't know whether you can teach somebody to be romantic???? I did tried to explain but I am not sure if he understands.

My question is what kind of person would you go for

1. somebody has good sex drive and not at all romantic

2. A person who is romantic but suck at Sex.

3.A person who is good at both.

Another question is what do you want more in your relationship.What do you think is more important.Romance or Sex.

This question is to both sexes....I mean man and woman. You can write your planet placements.

GAL

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neptune's mermaid
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posted May 02, 2005 07:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mars ( which is my ruler ) is conjunct my Venus ( my descendant ruler ). This means, from what lalalinda taught me, that my wants, needs etc. are the same.

So I would have to say BOTH are important. I honestly think they’re proportional to each other.

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Sun Pisces
Moon Virgo
Mercury Aquarius
Venus, Mars and Ascendant in Aries

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laglady
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posted May 02, 2005 08:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a connection is more important than sex. Not necessarily in a romantic sence though. It isn't very often that I want to get it on. Oh, and my partner can be bad. As long as they are willing to work with me on it. And I can't stand when guys talk about sex in inapropriate times.

Sun Cap
Moon Aqua
Rising Lib (Conj. Pluto)

Mars Cap (Conj. Sun)
Venus Scorp (Conj. Uranus)

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amisha121877
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posted May 02, 2005 10:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would prefer:

somebody has good sex drive and not at all romantic


sun in sagittarius

moon in aries

ascendant in leo (trines sun, trines moon, trines venus)

venus in sagittarius (Trines moon, conjuncts neptune, sextiles pluto, trines ascendant)

mars in leo (trines Moon, squares uranus, trines neptune, sextiles pluto)

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amisha121877
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posted May 02, 2005 10:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would prefer:

somebody has good sex drive and not at all romantic


sun in sagittarius

moon in aries

ascendant in leo (trines sun, trines moon, trines venus)

venus in sagittarius (Trines moon, conjuncts neptune, sextiles pluto, trines ascendant)

mars in leo (trines Moon, squares uranus, trines neptune, sextiles pluto)

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geminstone
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posted May 02, 2005 10:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with laglady, in that, it's all in the connection. I think that people get way too hung up on the idea of performance when sex is the issue. Personally, I don't care to have an audience, only the ' standing ovations ' of one Having had the fortune to find and, know my ' one love ', early in life, I can, only relate to how I have always experienced sex to be, with him.... A uniting of Spirits, on a plane completely outside of the physical that bodies reside,..... where we, really, ' touch '. That makes for a whole lot of good times when merged with the physical... oh..uhh,... so yes that connection, is key! I, also, believe that it is not found in either romance or sex, these are only ' enhanced', by it...

My placements~
Gemini Sun/7th(Taurus)
Venus in Taurus/(7th, conjunct retro Merc[ also Taurus/7th])
Mars in Leo( 9th, square Scorp Uranus/12th... I've heard that's bad...?)
Scorpio Ascending
... I, also have Eros conjunct Chiron, 29Aries, in the 5th.... but, I have'nt figured it out yet... and, my Juno is in Virgo, conjunct my MC...

Fun Thread!

~ geminstone

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BlueTopaz124
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posted May 02, 2005 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know...when you get to a certain age, performance isn't the most important thing. It's the connection and closeness I feel with a man. Earthshaking sex that rocks my world is great, but I am such a romantic too - I love the handholding, cuddling, I LOVE to be sung to and have candles lit, a glass of wine. Sex for me starts far away from the bedroom, with a look while we're in the middle of a dinner party or when we're doing something together than isn't even related.
Sharing our day and experiences together, recreating our connection continuously, keeping it strong.

BUT - he has to always want sex because it's always on my mind

Sagittarius sun
Sagittarius Ascendant
Aquarius Moon
Libra Venus
Sagittarius Mars
Scorpio Mercury


kisses
Laura

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scorpiongal
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posted May 02, 2005 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune's mermaid: Venus, Mars and Ascendant in Aries ...Does that make you more like Aries.

I have got Aries Moon and I feel all the time like that....I mean I want my things then I just want it.

Blue topaz: Hey! Venus in Libra, Asc,Sag,too...cool...
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Sex for me starts far away from the bedroom, with a look while we're in the middle of a dinner party or when we're doing something together than isn't even related.
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Agree !
Age...I would say they are numbers.
as for experince some get it sooner some take ages to get it.

Amisha :

I guess you don't like musshy musshy types.


Laglady:
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And I can't stand when guys talk about sex
in inapropriate times.
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What do you do with guys like that????

GAL

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fayte.m
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posted May 02, 2005 11:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appreciation, communication..total sharing of oneself with their beloved one..ideas, dreams, even all those things that are soul personal! To love a person for their mind and soul, and all things being mutual...well..the romance and the fantastic sexual side of the connection, just falls right into place!
I was a hippie. The so called,"free love" was stimulating, but having been there, done that, I'll take someone who loves me first for my mind etc., and like I indicated, the beauty of it all, with mutual Love, is that the Romance and great Sex just happens!!!!!

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Saturn's Child
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posted May 02, 2005 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was younger I wasn't so much interested in the romance angle...I was always into the sensuality of sex and the expertise of my partner. I have both Venus & Mars in Taurus.
Talking and exchanging ideas along with some healthy debate has always been sexy and stimulating to me. That's probly my Gem Sun and Aqua moon.
But now that I'm older, I want more romance. I find I really need candlelit dinners, wine, music, flowers...the whole package....don't know why?
And I agree, for me it starts way before the bedroom....but the bedroom needs to have some ambiance to.
Of course, a healthy mix is ideal...sometimes you just wanna.....
But, right now I have a male friend whom I've told to take a hike cause he's got a "porn star" mentality....rippin' off clothes..bright lights...no romance at all!
So I told him never mind...not doing it for me. Afew days later he shows up with a little bouquet of flowers thinkin' that's going to fix it. I told him he had a ways to go.
Yes, give me some romance and I can teach him the rest!

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"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm!"
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cancerrg
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posted May 03, 2005 03:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for me both the things are important .
sex and romance actually are complementary to eachother .
of course , given a chance i wont leave a chance of good sex but my preference will always be if its combied with romance and with the person that i am in love with.

cancer-sun, taurus-moon, aries-ascedent.

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted May 03, 2005 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpiongal, why do you give an option of both?? I can't understand why everyone doesn't just say both LOL??

Still, when it boils down.. I feel everyone is either a 'love' person or a 'sex' person. I have an Aries Moon so it really makes me want to say sex... but something else... don't know what- tells me sex wouldn't be so fun without love.... I've been posting way too much about love recently... I'm going to go crazy!!!

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Isis
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posted May 03, 2005 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both are important to me, but sex just a bit more I suppose (Scorp x5 incl Venus)...

Since I realize that I won't necessarily be in the frame of mind to want lots of great sex as I get older, I'd like to make the most of my sex drive now.

I enjoy romance, but I view it as being often just empty gestures...and I guess I can also view it suspiciously. If they're really romantic when you first date, I've found that it doesn't last, it's like a game that's played to hook you...also, the men I've known to be romantic often lacked hugely in the concrete stuff, like being responsible, mature, reliable, whatever. It's like they're trying to use romance to make up for a lack of something - kinda like someone who buys people things cause they can't express love.

Note to men: don't do something for a woman in the beginning of the relationship that you can realistically keep doing - women notice when this stuff drops off, and it either hurts or annoys us. It's like misrepresenting yourself. I suppose the same advice can apply to women as well, actually...

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amisha121877
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posted May 03, 2005 04:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpiongal,
lol - no, I don't really recognize the mushy-mushy types but then again, I'm not mushy-mushy either. Maybe I should put it like this, good sex is a must and both parties have to be willing to try new things (sans my fascination with it) and romance is one of life's pleasant surprises which i would appreciate if it was presented to me even if I get uncomfortable about it.

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seveneieghtorange
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posted May 03, 2005 07:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose when there is a connection between two people, the sex or the quality of sex doesn't really matter as much because you are sharing it with that person.
For me personally, sex is very important, but romance is just as something i look into when im in a relationship. I like all those traditional, romantic stuff: surprise phonecalls just to say hello or i miss you, little gifts (must be my venus in taurus at work here), just things to say that the relationship means a lot, much more than just the sex.
Although sometimes i wish I can just concentrate solely on the lust, I am one of those people that NEED the romance. Damn my planets in cancer!

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Azalaksh
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posted May 03, 2005 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpiongal ~

#2 -- I'll give lessons.

But in saying that, I note that "romantic" means different things to different people. What I find romantic, you might not....

Here's the definition:
5a : having an inclination for romance : responsive to the appeal of what is idealized, heroic, or adventurous 5b : marked by expressions of love or affection 5c : conducive to or suitable for lovemaking
Dreamy, idealistic, quixotic or impractical.

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cancerrg
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posted May 04, 2005 03:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
_____________________________________________I enjoy romance, but I view it as being often just empty gestures...and I guess I can also view it suspiciously.
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isis : ha , that gr8 scorps great suspicion , try over coming it , the world is not all black.

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Secret Garden
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posted May 04, 2005 03:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well altho i have a scorp stellium and prominent second house (taurean sensual tendencies?) i would say romance.

maybe its my libra rising? or venus in 7th in aries? or gem stellium. pluto is in scorpio (very sexual!), but mars is in gemini (very airy and not too preoccupied with sex).

honestly, i had a hard time sorting my thoughts out. but i realized that i look at sex as the 'completion' of love with someone. that is, love has to precede a sexual relationship, otherwise for me it holds no meaning whatsoever; it is as meaningful as two insects mating to produce eggs, thats it.

that is why i am so against arranged marriages; in my culture they are norm, but i am rebellious in that stance. how could you have sex with someone who you 'like' but dont 'love'? not sufficient for me. i need to feel the romance first.

any person ive ever wanted to have sex with has only been the person i first loved and was romantically involved with.

interestingly enough i never wanted to have sex with my husband but avoided it like the plague (and i didnt!) how strange and funny. because i didnt love him and he knew it also; and because i was afraid and grossed out at having sex with someone i didnt love.

so in the end i asked myself;
love without sex? yes, i can do that and i have before ; and that is what makes me feel complete and happy.

sex without love? the thought disgusts me and its not for me at all; against my value system and loyalty.

love and sex? ideal, only if love is established first.

It pained me to write that though! because i can be so overly sensual and flirtatious. lol. but only with ppl i really love

Love
SG

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cancerrg
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posted May 04, 2005 03:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Note to men: don't do something for a woman in the beginning of the relationship that you can realistically keep doing - women notice when this stuff drops off, and it either hurts or annoys us. It's like misrepresenting yourself. I suppose the same advice can apply to women as well, actually...

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isis: right suggestion .
elobrating on it , i feel every men and women who do such stuff , do know deep in thier hearts that they are wrong , they wont be abl;e to keep on , so in a way ur suspicion is correct but then again i would suggest to tone it down ( i am talking after my personal exp.)

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scorpiongal
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posted May 04, 2005 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Mutable Night Force: I have an Aries moon too.

In fact I was also wondering after sending the recent post that in every post I am kind of giving lots of options.I don't know really what that means.

Love without sex...sucks
Sex without Love...sucks for me.

Azalaksh

I would define Romance more the way Blue Topaz mentioned.

handholding, cuddling, I LOVE to be sung to and have candles lit, a glass of wine

but ofcourse it has to come genuinely and not without soul in it.

GAL

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neptune's mermaid
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posted May 04, 2005 09:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scorpiongal

Does it make me more of an Aries? I think it would have if I didn’t have a singleton Moon.
But yeah I definitely carry some of their traits - how could I not?
But I guess it also means I’ll have some of their bad traits too lol

Now that I’ve read this again I’m now a little I think I confused romance with love.
Is romance a way of proving you love someone?

You can have relationships based on sex…they’re called flings - and there’s a reason why they don’t last

Love without sex? Isn’t that just friendship?

I think you need both…love is the strong sturdy foundation. Perhaps sex is the momentum

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laglady
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posted May 04, 2005 09:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpiongal..
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And I can't stand when guys talk about sex
in inapropriate times.
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What do you do with guys like that????


Well, first instance I give a look. A look that clearly shows my disapproval. If that doesn't do the trick I'll speak up, but if there are other people around I'll keep it light. And if still.. after making it 100% clear that I don't need to hear about "poking her in the.." then I'll leave the converation and go find something else to do, or someone else to talk to.

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amisha121877
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posted May 04, 2005 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon in aries also.

Let's be really real, romantic is even being involved with someone on the level where it's not just about the sex and neither one of you saying to the other, in the moment, I can't stand you right now, leave me alone - AND REALLY MEANING IT. Believe me, I LOVE sex (even though being in a continuous relationship with someone may prove that I'm not the sex-animal I believed myself to be because I sometimes say no even if I am one who turns on very quickly).

all that to say -
""handholding, cuddling, I LOVE to be sung to and have candles lit, a glass of wine"

is just being immersed in the bond between the two of you - I don't know how to explain that too swell but I don't consider that romance, I consider that just being because any one of those things can happen on any given day, at any given time, and most like any given second if you are friends which i consider a must in a relationship of this statue. it's part of your persona with or without the person and it comes out naturally between the two of you - not planned or i wonder if they would like this or any of that stressful crap. The "universal" romance that people can try to convince me that is, sounds planned to me. What's romantic at that time (the whole handholding, cudding, wine, singing bit) when all of that is happening is the fact that you both want to be in that type of setting at that moment and everything else to you becomes second to your bestest friend - observers or no observers (btw - i think some people do that universal romantic gesture to show off and that's NOT romantic - to me, that is).

for example:
I'm sitting in bed braiding my hair, I'm wearing a tee-shirt and a pair of shorts watching America's Next Top Model. I'm basically, engrossed in the show. My bestest friend, is watching me intently. Fine - definitely a turn on but I go on watching the show trying very hard not to smirk. (Mind you, no matter how common that may be for either one of us - ok - i'll say that is romantic to me because it pleasantly surprised me no matter how many times he has done this). Now, if he comes over to me blowing farts on my neck and wrapping his arms around my waist and then does something ikky like put his tongue in my ear (btw - ewwwwww, *giggle, giggle*) and I'm swatting him and half-saying to him to let me watch my show because I know where all that may lead to and I don't like to always give-in right away - there is romance again. that's 3 romantic settings in one. then what happens after that may be sex, maybe not but I kind of hope so - even if it is a quicky, which I love just as much, if not more than a long sweaty night.

question: are you suggesting that to act (strictly courtship-like) is being romantic? I don't get it. i'm just not that "creative".


i might have to come back to explain a little better.

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cancerrg
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posted May 04, 2005 12:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love without sex? Isn’t that just friendship
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neptune m : i dont think love without sex can be simply termed as friendship because there are times when u love someone but dont have sex with her/him . freiendship too has love , actually it has to otherwise it cant survive wether its same sex friendship or not but it has to have love and respect .
actually love is something more pure than what we normally think , i agree in practical life ur definition is right that sex has too be associted with love but this is incomplete definition , isnt it?

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cancerrg
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posted May 04, 2005 01:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AMISHA : your definition of romance is quite correct but i would like to add something , holding hands etc. too are part of romance ,reason being - some like the overt emotion , some like it covertly , whatever it be both the ways are leading u to romance , ok sometime we like holding hands with friends too but there is a diference between these two , we know we dont have any romantic inclinations .by the way i like it subtly , the way u described it ( your friend looking at u while u watch the tv ) but i feel it is necessary to show your emotions as well , that helps .

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