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Topic: Are gemini or air heavy charts more likely to be thieves/cons than other signs/elemen
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Salisa
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posted December 24, 2005 09:20 PM
 
Are gemini or air heavy charts more likely to be thieves or cons than other signs or element heavy charts?  ------------------
The only Gemini in my whole freaking family! What's up with that!!!!! IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted December 24, 2005 10:59 PM
Are you serious?? I have five planets in Air, one of them Gemini. So, that makes me likely to be a thief or a con??IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted December 25, 2005 05:22 PM
totally NOT. Geminis can be glib, but that doesn't mean they're 'con artists'. Im surprised to hear that out of a mouth of a Gemini, have you not read anything Lindas written? Over the past couple of days Ive had the feeling you're a non-Gemini posing as a Gemini on this forum, otherwise you're just really annoying. Your questions are all self-centered and irritating. And btw there are no 'con' aspects. Some people may have tendencies to lie if they have harsh mercury or neptune aspects but that doesn't mean anyone is born a hardened criminal because they have a certain astrological chart. SG IP: Logged |
MoonPixie
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posted December 25, 2005 06:18 PM
well...just because Mercury stole Apollo's cow as a child in mythological myths doesn't mean that those with heavy mercurial/gemini influences in their chart have the potential to be thiefs either. Libra would never steal. Too immoral and not fair. Plus, most don't have the "guts". Aquarius has more on their mind. A LOT more than petty theft.This topic is somewhat opinionated. How about trying to post some links that lead to some interesting research and rephrase the question. "Can't we all just...get along??"
- MoonPixie, Libra Rising. :-) IP: Logged |
Salisa
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posted December 25, 2005 08:20 PM
Wow I had no idea that the question would offend people or I wouldn't have asked it. I'm sorry if I made you grumpy(that was sincere not sarcastic). As for me being annoying I don't really understand why you think of me that way.You also said all my questions were self centered and irritating, again I'm sorry if I irritated you. But I wasn't aware that there was only certain questions that people were allowed to ask on this fourm. I do belive I can explain what you called self centered questions. In my house hold they think that astrology is wrong because they think it's a form of divination.(they're very religiously strict!) As a result I have to do all my learning behind there backs. I can't buy books and I definitely don't talk about it with any one. So in studing charts the only one I can study and get any feed back from is my own, plus learning from just one chart can be way boring. Its not as easy as you might think for a beginer to study natal charts not knowing what in the h**l they're doing, with out any feed back. I had actually replyed to a post called "opinions on a chart" that made my day, because for the first time I got to try and read a chart that was not mine and get feed back! And I got some stuff right about the chart of the guy! Any way I can't say I really care what you think of me (ok may be I do care a little) but I really really don't like making people unhappy or grumpy. Hope you feel better.
p.s. I really am a Gemini ------------------
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whiterabbit
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posted December 25, 2005 08:23 PM
Hey Moon Pixie! *waves*
I'm also Libra rising.
It's nice when we all get along but don't forget about the beauty of..........DEBATE!!
Air signs- good con artists?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'm a great liar...... lots of Aquarius in my chart. But I always thoughts Scorpios were great liars too. What does it take to be a godo con artist? Good lying stills, I suppose. But then you'd also need the drive to "con", I suppose.. it's an interesting question. I guess it depends on what we think of con artists and what it takes to be "good" at it (being bad?).
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Azalaksh
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posted December 25, 2005 08:36 PM
Salisa ~I’m sorry if what I wrote came off as grumpy. But I was. It’s not that there are only certain questions that people were allowed to ask on this fourm. It’s the generalizations that people take issue with – Geminis are this, Air signs are that, especially when the generalization itself is a negative one (thieves, cons, etc). It’s just NOT THAT BLACK AND WHITE. And that’s why people respond in a “grumpy” manner. There are things we don’t even fully understand affecting us: all the asteroids, midpoints, fixed stars, solar flares, you name it. All of this electromagnetic energy affects our human electrical field. I for one get annoyed when "intelligent" and "enlightened" astro-people indulge in boxing people up and labeling them -- it resulted in Official The World Is Gray Not Black And White Day thread on my part, although that day I was fed up with Sun Sign/Gender bashing. It seems that the more people get into astro aspects, the more they tend to (again) try and narrow the field and box others up with a convenient label. I'm starting to believe that this is a part of human nature in the search to achieve understanding, but also that this tendency is something that needs to be recognized and overcome, as I try to do on a daily basis. We are NOT Venus opposite Pluto people, or Moon oppo Mars people -- that is but one small part of a complex and fully-integrated being, and to indulge in such tunnel vision IS an affront to all of us, not just the entity being pigeonholed.
When this thinking of astro aspects extends to a conclusion that aspects are something we are helpless to overcome, then I'm outta there. For me personally, I think there are some aspects in my chart (and probably transits too) that don't apply too much anymore, simply because over my lifetime I have confronted them, come to terms with them, and evolved past them (even though they still sneak up and bite me occasionally -- and having an Early Warning System -- transits -- for the sneak-ups can be very helpful!). I think the challenges are set there when we choose the moment we are born, because we PLAN to be challenged by these specific energies. They can't go away, since we can't change our natal planetary positions, but they just don't apply anymore once we have recognized them, faced them and moved past them. Hence my favorite quote about “the more evolved an entity is, the less astrology applies, since you don't need the conflicts and challenges anymore in order to mature and grow spiritually”. Just because I had a bad experience with a Capricorn doesn't mean I fear all Capricorn men. People are more than the sum of their parts. And as humans we don't yet understand the workings and integration of all those separate parts. Taking something apart, naming and codifying each piece as to its nature and function, then putting it back together with an eye toward blending the code-names of all the parts is exactly what we do in Astrology, is it not? Yet does it really help us get any closer to an understanding of the entire organism? Rant over, climbing down from soapbox now.  'Zala (Libra Sun/Leo Asc/Pisces Moon
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Rede411
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posted December 25, 2005 08:47 PM
I'm all Air & Fire....I can be very manipulating (Air) but my emotional fire(Aries) usually beats the crap out of my air when it wants to be too dishonest... IP: Logged |
Salisa
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posted December 25, 2005 09:03 PM
Ok I would have to say I do agree with you. But I am pretty new to asrology and you did kind of bite my head off and I quote "you're a non-Gemini posing as a Gemini"
"you're just really annoying"
"Your questions are all self-centered and irritating"
I wasn't trying to generalize, my thinking was that a heavy air chart could incline a person that was already susceptible to being a con. ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted December 25, 2005 09:09 PM
the only susceptiblity to bad in your chart
is your karma
having nothing to do with what sign or where the planets are in your charthence the negative feedback anything negative will attract negative
as will positive...
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Salisa
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posted December 25, 2005 09:15 PM
I didn't see the question as something that was negative. After all I am a Gemini with lots of air in my chart and I didn't take my question personly or as an insult to myself so how was I going to know others would?  ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted December 25, 2005 09:24 PM
No worries dear,
thieves or consare part of any chart no one in particular or sign but combined by Karma Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings
I think we are all wonderful, and
God's children we are awesome, hehe IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted December 25, 2005 09:28 PM
boo hoo, and i refuse to apologize because i am justified. i don't know what thread you replied in but if you see the threads that you have started in the last few days here, theyre all about you you you. Now there is no restriction on what kinds of threads to start or questions to ask, but sometimes a question is SO bound to provoke someone that you are bound to get a negative response to it. and i don't care how much Gemini you are, but phrasing any question like that will get you in trouble, its called common sense and people skills that leads to avoiding that situation, NOT BEING A BEGINNER. I too was a beginner once upon a time, and do a lot of things without my family knowing...but that doesn't justify any stereotyping on my part. You know why Im so grumpy? Because Im tired of being stereotyped...as a woman, as an Arab, as a Gemini, will it never stop? This supposedly enlightened forum never ceases to produce these weirdo members who have to ask generlized and *offensive* questions. Heres a list, of what NOT to ask, just as pointers to you Salisa: Do all Aries like chaining people to bed and having sex with them? Do all Taureans marry for money and are they all obese? Do all Geminis lie and steal? Do all Cancers cry and have sex with their mothers? Do all Leos masturbate all day long because theyre too good to have sex with anyone else? Do all Virgos fret fret fret and die of obsessive compulsive disorder? Do all Libras advocate free love from the sixties and run around naked without political opinions? Are all Scorpios rapists and criminals who suffer from depression? Are all Sagittarians rude and obnoxious? Are all Capricorns attention-wh0res who will use anyone to get to the top? Are all Aquarians weirded out bozos who have no relation with reality? Do they all get kinky with aliens? Are all Pisces deluded lost druggies? Can you SEE why you have succeeded in p!ssing me off??? SG IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted December 25, 2005 09:34 PM
SG, I like you!
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whiterabbit
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posted December 25, 2005 09:41 PM
SG- bravo on the brilliant post and I am NOT trying to take away from your point at all.. but
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Are all Aquarians weirded out bozos who have no relation with reality? Do they all get kinky with aliens?
this made me laugh so effing much because I sort of nodded when I read it "uh huh.. yeha.. we are! nobody's ever captured us so well in one sentence" and then I realized that I was missing the point just there..lol.. nevermind, carry on.. I've had too much wine. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted December 25, 2005 09:44 PM
Me too!ahahahaha aliens, are real
Oh My
the grid, eeks IP: Logged |
Salisa
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posted December 25, 2005 09:54 PM
Oooooooooh dear lord thank you so much for crapping on me! Its such a turn on when people treat me like s**t . Come on don't stop I need to be taught a lesson I'm such a naughty little girl.  ------------------
The only Gemini in my whole freaking family! What's up with that!!!!! IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted December 25, 2005 09:55 PM
Salisa,
Now now, I love You...
we are having fun? No?
hehe
yes yes yes
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Azalaksh
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posted December 25, 2005 10:10 PM
Salisa, please take a look at what you just wrote:I wasn't trying to generalize, my thinking was that a heavy air chart could incline a person that was already susceptible to being a con. I don't see that anybody is treating anybody else like sh!t -- we are expressing our opinions. You may not have been "trying" to generalize, but you ARE generalizing. And you are taking one or two tiny character traits and trying to plaster them all over the sides of a huge box labelled "Sign" or "Element." Please repeat after me: It's just not that black and white -- it's NOT that easy. Let's take my own example: I have Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune in Air. There are hard aspects to each of them, but Venus is in the house/sign it rules, Saturn is exalted, and the Sun is my chart ruler. Just "having a lot of planets in air" doesn't make me any more susceptible to being a con-artist or thief than a person with a lot of planets in Earth. *It depends on the person, the whole chart, past lives' karma brought forward, and very definitely on the way you were raised and your values*. There are some very good recent threads here about lying and dishonesty, if you have a desire to generalize about signs or elements -- check back a few topics pages, and let us know if you gather any insights from those. Would like to hear back what you've found after some additional reading, OK?? 'Zala PS: Ms Secret Garden Again, take your Moon-stinger out of poor Salisa -- where on earth is that Libra Asc when you need it?!?  I've missed you! Please write to Mme Zala -- here, I'll resurrect one of our threads! IP: Logged |
SecretGardenAgain
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posted December 25, 2005 10:16 PM
hi zala  sorry ive been so lazy. everytime i come here i think about starting a new thread.  but then i always get carried away. i promise i will tonight! after dinner of course... and the vicious cycle begins! i saw the funniest ellen degeneres standup on HBO a few days ago it was titled 'here and now' and she talks about procrastination, ah that woman is so funny! yes i will remove my stinger from Salisa, but as sarcasm-ridden as that last post was, it is amazing that if not those exact words, we have definitely heard very similar things to those said at LL, its sad sometimes! its different to discuss what may or may not be the tendencies of a Sun sign, but completely different to box them in, as you put so eloquently as always! Love
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Planet_Soul
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posted December 25, 2005 11:11 PM
Hey WR,I also got a chuckle outta my SUn SIgn description, I like the way SG writes. IP: Logged |
whiterabbit
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posted December 25, 2005 11:20 PM
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Planet_Soul
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posted December 26, 2005 12:27 AM
lol I am a verbal klutz. Swinging them arrows all over the place. IP: Logged |
Lauren
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posted December 26, 2005 12:37 AM
quote:
Do all Aries like chaining people to bed and having sex with them?
heehee you mean that's not just me?
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Rede411
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posted December 26, 2005 12:59 AM
Uh-oh! as an Aries...I would be offended by that statement...I don't want to chain EVERYONE up and have sex with them....just the cute ones!  IP: Logged |
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