posted October 18, 2003 11:55 AM         

Just curious! Thanks

posted October 18, 2003 01:27 PM         

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SQUARE = 90* Two planets 90* apart or within 9* either way...

Challenging and stressful. A square places obstacles and teaches lessons. This aspect usually indicates an area where a person can develop drive and strength of character by overcoming difficulties.

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This would also apply to squares in synastry, but the drive and strength character are bestowed upon the relationship, as opposed to the individuals.

Cool huh?

posted October 18, 2003 02:42 PM         

I have some great Scorpio friends, men and women. That's only possible because they finally got it that they can't filter everything I say and do on the basis of how it relates to them personally.

Case in point. I had an acquaintance at work, a Scorpio woman, I found out by events. We were talking and I said something totally unrelated to her. Face went blank and out comes that flat straight in the eyes stare which I recognized---being Scorp rising. I knew instantly she thought I was talking about her and also that she thought I was too snide to come at her directly. Have to tell you, the implications were apparent and I was furious in a split second I can be shockingly direct and graphic when I'm really ticked. She got that part immediately and also that if I were talking about her, she would be the first one to know. She ended up laughing and we've been friends ever since but only because she turned off her filter when talking to me.

Romantically, there can be real sparks between Leo and Scorpio but I don't know if I could handle the drama on a daily basis.

Advice is cheap I'd get an understanding up front that we're both going to count to ten or whatever it takes and that we're going to immediately explore whether or not we have any real reason for being angry, hurt, disappointed or whatever other negative emotion we're feeling in the moment.

posted October 18, 2003 11:32 PM         

By Sun-Sign itself, I suggest looking deeply into what the person needs in order for them to feel fully-self expressed and heard. Easier said than done!

Right now I am in baby steps with a Capricorn. Earth signs like tangible demonstrations, and a lot of it to feel secure. I think I've unlocked a few secrets and so far, have been quite successful

posted October 19, 2003 07:34 AM         

I have fallen in love with Aquas and still feel deeply about it. I do not think it's possible to not love a square, Scorpio, Leo, or Aqua because my life wouldn't be complete. I like the cardinal signs but the mutables and fixed signs get my life really moving and I am always making friends with the fixed signs. As I get older I like Aquas and Scorpios more because Leos and Taurus are easy to trust but usually caught up in children, shopping or if single, dating, not my priorites right now. It was choice between an Aqua and a Libra for me, but my Libra has many planets in Scorpio in the 8th house, and trust was an issue for him. I do have Mercury in the 7th too. Yes I believe with the right aspects squares CAN work.

Then again I have the moon in the 8th and many planets in mutable signs such as Gemini, Virgo, and Sag. I am not as posessive as I am focused on trust issues. As long as a friend trusts me I am happy with giving my trust. I only have 3 planets in fixed signs, Saturn and Sun in Taurus and Neptune in Scorpio, so it's easier for me to understand and listen to stubborn people.

posted October 21, 2003 06:50 AM         

Lioneye, I actually have that book! My Taurus bud and her Cappy husband bought it for me for my birthday. It is great! It's interesting to look at Squares as helping us learn rather than simple difficulties.

Squares to your Asc/Desc would also be squares to my Asc/Desc. I often find it hard to click with Virgo and Pisces (not always. Ok, so maybe Pisces are more difficult for me. I find it difficult to click with heavy water). Which brings me to this person who has Sun/Venus/Urinus in Scorp. But the fire helps (he has an Aries moon, Mars in Leo and Merc. in Sag). Intense to say the least!

I've dated Scorpios before but never really tried to work past the very basic communication problems I seem to have with them. In typical Aquarian fashion, I felt that people should say what they feel and that the Scorpio quietness didn't mean anything more than just...well..lack of anything to say. BIG mistake.

jwhop,
Ooh that Scorpio stare!! This guys smiles and laughs a lot though, not too many evil Scorp. stares. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall during that scene between you and the Scorpio lady! I have a bunch of Scorpio female friends and you're right, lots of drama, but they always offer me valuable perception with their intuition!

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I can be shockingly direct and graphic when I'm really ticked.

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No! Really?

*cowers*

I like your advice about laying some of the differences on the table first.

Aphrodite,
That's reassuring! I'm genuinely interested and I think it shows. Whenever I worry that I may have given the wrong impression, he does something to show that I was wrong. Scorpio seems more introverted and I'm definitely an extrovert...so I have to learn to reflect a little before I react.

A lot of the Capricorn guys I've known seemed to like a good mystery that they think they can solve, especially in love. Quick to fall in love and devote themselves to the object of their affection. (I can see where that might be difficult for the Fiery love of a challenge) Do you see that too?

Natasha, you are doing well to listen to and understand this fixed stubborn girl!! (Hehe, Sun/Mars/Merc/Moon/Jupiter/Uranus all in Fixed signs-all in Mutable houses except for Mars in a Cardinal house)

Thanks everyone for your input-it is GREATLY appreciated! I love hearing everyone's stories.

posted October 21, 2003 11:42 AM         

you made a good point:

"A lot of the Capricorn guys I've known seemed to like a good mystery that they think they can solve, especially in love."

key words are in italics too bad there is no highlighter marker option on here, because it would be bright yellow!

Quick to fall in love and devote themselves to the object of their affection. (I can see where that might be difficult for the Fiery love of a challenge) Do you see that too?

They are a picky lot. Once they meet someone compatible, they do love quickly and devote themselves by doing things to help the other person. I love it.

posted October 21, 2003 03:01 PM         

All of the Capricorn men I've been involved with often seemed to think situations were 'black & white,' so to speak, and that everything had an easy answer.

posted October 26, 2003 01:23 AM         

When someone does something that annoys you, take a step back and look in the mirror. It's probably a quality you portray but don't like to admit, or that you are unaware of. My best friend is a taurus and he made me realize how stubborn I was, because he could relate.

Our squares and opposites are helpful in that they fill in our missing puzzle pieces, they have strengths where our weaknesses lie, and vice versa.

posted October 26, 2003 11:11 AM         

The object of my affection as of late is a Scorpio Sun/Aries Moon (like your mom-ok that sounded weird to me too), with Mercury in Sag. I'd love to hear more of your take on that mix, if wouldn't mind, especially since you are a fellow Leo Moon like me. I realized that Aries Moons have been fairly prominent in my relationships.

My grandparents were squared sun signs as well-Leo and Taurus, but both with Libra Moons. As I know the story, theirs was an instant overwhelming attraction and they had such a strong, loving relationship. What I find especially fascinating is the how they worked together through very hard times and they really were each other's best friend.

Moondust, you speak the truth. It is well known that very often the traits we dislike in others are similar to those we possess ourselves. I think I understand now what sort of lessons our squares teach us, but first we have to be willing to open up and realize the need for change.

posted October 27, 2003 10:17 PM         

"always ready for a fight, very passionate, obsessive, and very, very jealous. "

Yeah, no kidding. lol I need obsessive like I need a hole in the head. LOL I think I can see the jealousy though.

Which book are you referring to? How do you feel about its description of Scorpio Sun/Aries Moon?

Well, today this Aquarius learned how to sidestep her stubborness (6 planets in fixed signs) and Leo Moon pride, and I feel good about it. *pats self on back* Among a few other handy lessons. It's all about learning, right?

posted October 27, 2003 11:30 PM         

Anyway, "Moon Signs" says: Sun Scorpio, Moon Aries- You have a strong character but might be too ready to fight everything and everyone. Your feelings are intense and your temper rather short but you have deep reserves of courage and can achieve a great deal.

"Moon Signs For Lovers" says: Jealousy could well be an understatement with Mars ruling both the sun and the moon of this Lunar lover, and there will be plenty of passion.

I feel they're correct, except that as I get older, I don't want to fight or argue. My temper is much more controlled now, but I have also been aware of this challenge from reading astrology books. I knew I had to develop self-control in order to not drive myself crazy and those around me. But when I get angry, I really get angry. I scare myself. I know I have the infamous scorp glare when a 230 pound Taurus man tells me he doesn't ever want to make me angry because he doesn't want to receive "my look." We can control our temper but we can't control the eyes, unfortunately. The Aries in me is the part I have to constantly fight in order to not be impulsive and tell people off. I make myself sick by trying to control it. Aries is so irrational, and scorpio doesn't want to waste the time and energy it requires to be angry. I also don't want to give people the power to see how they have me bothered, but the aries doesn't care about that kind of power. It just wants to be heard loud and clear. Constant inner battle.

As for the jealousy issue, I wish I could overcome it, but with scorpio sun, venus, and mars, with aries moon, I don't know if it's possible! I have stayed single since I was betrayed for the last 4 1/2 years because I don't want to deal with the jealousy problem and drive myself nuts. I have finally met someone, a Taurus, and i'm pretty sure he's someone I could trust, as a matter of fact I know he is. It's a scary thing to a scorpio to feel vulnerable, but i'm ready to surrender. He knows he has to reassure me and cherish me. He's quite sensitive to the jealousy issues I have, which is exactly what a scorpio needs.

I'm also done with the power trips, so I don't want to be domineering anymore. I've distinguished between being in control of oneself rather than trying to control everyone around you. I don't know which part of my chart has to be in control, but it's strong. It's probably the combination of the Aries and Scorpio, too much Mars!

I could use some advice from someone though, my boyfriend and I have opposite suns and moons. Can this work over time? Anything is possible, but both? Taurus sun/Scorp sun and Libra moon/ Aries moon. The good thing is that it's Venus and Mars but the signs are opposites. He doesn't have one bit of water in his chart and the only earth I have is my Capricorn Asc. which really helps matters. We get along great and there is lots of attraction with all the polar opposites , but when we argue, it's not pretty. It doesn't happen often but it's scary when it does. Any information would help.

posted October 28, 2003 12:49 PM         

"Capricorns they may also irrationally fall in love and be as lost as Leos, but in the end they will marry rationally."

the capricorn man i am seeing said this to me a few months back, "this is my first time being in a rational relationship. i am used to the irrational, so this is new and i don't know what to expect."

is this is a good sign?

"Sooner or later (and I would say sooner) they put down the rose glasses of love and become wise, serious and concious (that is I think the most developed characteristic of Capricorns - being concious of their obligations towards somebody, something or most likely themselves)."

posted October 30, 2003 03:00 PM         

Aphrodite

'he then explained the things he wanted to work on with his personal life, and surprised me with how far into the future he was planning with me.'

Very good sign!
If you want to change anything, do it on the planning phase.

Claire
Both male capricorns and leos like to be proud of the woman beside them and prefer her to be not only elegant and dignified in maners, but also in thoughts.

So true! I think it is more pronounced whith Leos with Virgo Venus and Capricorn with Capricorn Venus.