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hannaramaa
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posted July 18, 2012 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I've known her for about 8 years and I'm starting to have some problems with our friendship. I haven't discussed them openly with her yet and I don't know if I will because I'm unsure if this is me just seeing her for who she is and taking her off a pedestal or if there are true problems. I was wondering if it's possible to tell of jealousy in the synastry chart and who it's directed at.

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posted July 18, 2012 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump.

Rosalind had a good idea, I'll do a Celtic Cross reading for whoever wants to analyze this with me.

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posted July 19, 2012 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for slowpoke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try here.
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/comp2f

http://www.astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/

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posted July 19, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for novembermuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post the composite?

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hannaramaa
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posted July 19, 2012 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure.

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hannaramaa
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posted July 19, 2012 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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naughtyvenus
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posted July 19, 2012 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naughtyvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in that first chart someone had venus in scorpio, to me that is a jealousy aspect

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posted July 19, 2012 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spritualjourney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could the uranus-moon aspect also be triggering the jealousy? Sudden changes in emotion.

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Anchi
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posted July 20, 2012 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i definitely think pluto is involved in jealousy like naughtyvenus said. your venus in scorpio is quincunx her mercury in aries. quincunx is a bit unpredictable. maybe she fears your scorpio energy, and it triggers her own jelaousy within'?

also like Spritualjourney mentioned the tight Moon conjunct Uranus is a bit unpredictable indeed. its hard to tell sometimes who feels which planet. you trigger her Uranus with your Moon. So she might be annoyed by your emotions sometimes (or the other way round').

Plus the composite Mars square Pluto is a another aspect showing conflicts. Mars is in 12th (hidden house), Pluto in 3d(communications). Mars in the 12th shows one of you perhaps hides jealousy & anger. (Maybe the progressed composite shows Mars out of the 12th so the jealousy is more visible now?) And since you are so Scorpionic you see through people, feel this square from composite more?

composite mars square pluto:

This relationship will be marked by powerful transformations. Be conscious of where you are directing your power together. If you have positive and purposeful objectives, you have great chances to achieve them. There is tremendous creative energy to solve problems. However, without great care and courtesy and consideration, the two of you will most certainly find each other to be vicious, crude and difficult to deal with. http://www.adze.com/Celebrities/MelanieGriffith&AntonioBanderas.htm

you have 2 tight Chiron aspects in composite too. Uranus oppo Chiron maybe shows your interaction can cause you slightly unpredictable wounds sometimes(but also healing). and the magi astrologers call the saturn-chiron a heartbreak clash aspect. obviously she is your friend not romantic interest, but still could indicate emotional wounding.

the 3rd post down tells about this aspect(in natal chart though): http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017793.html
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posted July 20, 2012 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Anchi! I'm on the inside, she is on the outside.

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posted July 20, 2012 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Anchi:
[B]i definitely think pluto is involved in jealousy like naughtyvenus said. your venus in scorpio is quincunx her mercury in aries. quincunx is a bit unpredictable. maybe she fears your scorpio energy, and it triggers her own jealousy within'?

I don't fear her Scorpio energy, then again I've never thought about it.

also like Spritualjourney mentioned the tight Moon conjunct Uranus is a bit unpredictable indeed. its hard to tell sometimes who feels which planet. you trigger her Uranus with your Moon. So she might be annoyed by your emotions sometimes (or the other way round').

I do get annoyed with her a lot!!! Especially when I view her objectively.

Plus the composite Mars square Pluto is a another aspect showing conflicts. Mars is in 12th (hidden house), Pluto in 3d(communications). Mars in the 12th shows one of you perhaps hides jealousy & anger. (Maybe the progressed composite shows Mars out of the 12th so the jealousy is more visible now?) And since you are so Scorpionic you see through people, feel this square from composite more?

Lol I wish I was Scorpionic. She can obviously read me because it's hard NOT to read me but I hide my anger from her. It definitely builds up.

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posted July 20, 2012 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if I should just post her natal and explain (or not) and see what's found from there? I appreciate the help!!!!! Just let me know what you want to know from the Tarot or what have you.

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posted July 21, 2012 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ups i see, i thought it made more sense for her to be the Scorpio. in your 1st post you said you were on the outside, then i got confused. lol

anyway. you are a very Aries person. outgoing, bold, like to hang out with different friends. she is probably more introverted, somewhat mysterious, she also has a stellium in 12th. she has a more hidden personality on top of that scorpionic mystery. such a scorpio/12th house person probably has only a few very good friends, you must have lots of acquaintances? maybe that is the cause of jealousy?

since her Venus in Scorpio is the only really 'visible' planet on her AC, she is good at hiding the jealous, possessive part of her.

since you have Mars in 12th house like you said you hide the anger from her too. so in the composite i assume the mars in 12th resonates more with you, the pluto with her. you stir up the jealousy in her. maybe she doesn't like sharing you with other friends? lol you two certainly must have deep conversations together, but she might say some things that make you upset, angry. Scorpionic people sometimes say things that are hurtful, in a way they like to play manipulative games. however only if they really like you. lol it must be annoying, frustrating to a person who doesn't have much scorpio in a chart to understand. there is much good to Scorpio though. very loyal, true friends. they like honesty, but it's funny they like to play mind games as well, especially when they are hurt. she might be testing you to see if you care? you are such a direct Aries, you probably don't understand why that is necessary. i hope i'm making sense. lol

i'm not sure what would cause for you to feel these changes recently though. like i said in the progressed composite chart the mars probably went out of the 12th, so the mars square pluto from composite is more visible now. all that hidden repressed anger is bubbling out of you. and she probably knows it too. i wouldn't be surprised if she gets a kick out of it too. (Scorpio games)

i have moon in aries in the 8th house. so you see i like both of these signs. i'm quite confused about my emotions sometimes too. lol

you two have a pretty good composite otherwise. you certainly like hanging together, having fun, the Pluto has a nice trine to Moon(conjunct DC too) a very healing, meaningful friendship and since there is so much earth, a very stable one too. that tight mars square jupiter is not really bad either, you two enjoy physical activities together, sharing laughs, so if things get to heavy with that mars&pluto that is the best way to release that friction i think.

did any of this make sense? lol =)

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posted July 21, 2012 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right Anchi! And my bad, I didn't even realize I said I was on the outside. I must've meant she was and typed me instead. I posted it early in the morning when I was tired lol.

She has told me numerous times she tries really really hard to control her jealousy and possessiveness. I'm usually good at picking that up in water signs though, but with her I never felt it and I felt she treats me differently than her other close friends.

I feel she takes advantage of my weak spot - which is dating. I do have a lot of acquaintances and friends (not a separate group but people are much more receptive to me, and she seems not to realize how she comes off to people.) Anyway, I usually gave her the benefit of the doubt but lately I've been thinking over things I've told her and her actions afterwards and the odds aren't favorable. She excels at getting attention from the opposite sex, keeping her emotions under control and letting me make a fool out of myself. She introduces me to men who are interested (and still interested) in her and then claims naivety. I'm 23 and she's nearly 25. I feel at this age you can't deny interest.

BUT you're right. She's been loyal to me and me her even when we've both messed up in the friendship, so I do feel that's genuine (and we bust up a lot when hanging out too!) but that's why I don't understand the competition she feels with me.

Maybe that's what I meant when I asked about jealousy. Competition aspects? Sorry to be needy. Like I said if you'd like a Tarot reading on anything let me know.

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posted July 21, 2012 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you know i forgot to mention you two have a grand fixed cross in composite. venus in 5th (romance) squares pluto (3rd -friends) then squares mars (12th hidden) and that one squares jupiter (9th-friends). and jupiter square venus again. maybe this one could show that. romantic interests hidden competition/manipulation between two friends? however this should show in synastry more i think ...

synastry some interesting patterns:

the ruler of her Dc is Venus in Scorpio in 1st, that itself shows she knows she's very attractive to partners. her Venus is the one that quincunxs your stellium (Mercury/Sun/Venus). your stellium goes into her 5th of romance. her 5th ruler Mars in her 11th(friends) in the sign of Libra--it's ruler Venus again. i think she definitely indeed plays little games with you in that area. shows off & knows she could ''steal'' partners from friends if she wanted.

you have a double whammy Mars oppo Saturn + Mars square Saturn too

both are challenging aspects. limitations/frustrations in the way you two assert yourselves sometimes. her saturn is oppo your mars(ruler of 11th) you feel limited by her sometimes, but her saturn is also trine your stellium in aries. so it's not that big of a deal to you. she however might feel limited/frustrated by your relationships with others. her mars in her 11th of friends squares your Saturn in your 7th of relationships. maybe that's why she tries to 'sabotage' your relationships.

you do have mars trine mars to help release that a bit though.

and i see you're not completely without Scorpio energy, i believe you have Moon opposition Pluto in natal. but her Pluto also is opposed your natal Moon pretty tightly from what i can see. this one is a hard one indeed. probably *the one*. intense emotions between you two, power struggles, she being the Pluto definitely manipulates your emotions (specially because Pluto is her Asc ruler!) she's good at hiding it (pluto 12th house).

you have a nice Moon trine Moon too. you have lots of nice aspects, throw in some Pluto power struggles, Saturn limitations, things can get frustrating indeed. i don't know she's such a powerful Scorpio, obviously there would be negative qualities as well as positive ones. but i think you are not just imagining things. she's definitely playing some games with you. (in my opinion)

sorry for the lenght lol i'm a bit sleepy. not sure if i made sense. lol

if you ever have time i would love that soulmate spread you did in one of your free readings threads. you don't have to do it though if you don't feel like it. it's good. lol

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posted July 21, 2012 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure you got it! AND DOES SHE EVER try to hide it. I can deal with little quirks like being late (she is. usually.) spacing out, but to play emotional games like that when she knows how interested I am in someone is sick. I would never do that to a friend, that isn't what a good friend is. I really don't get a chance to just lash out at her, I always try to keep control over that but sometimes it seeps through and she plays the concerned friend. So so so frustrating because I don't want to cut her off completely...I just want her to change. Yes, she's good at hiding it she denies it ALLLLLLL the time. What a weirdo!

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posted July 22, 2012 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol yes, i can't believe i haven't noticed that moon opposition pluto earlier in particular. i think you trigger something subconscious in her, that's why she acts like that. little manipulations. it's an aspect that needs adjustment, it can bring healing too. but it can be quite frustrating for you i'm sure! =)

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posted July 23, 2012 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Anchi,

I'm writing to let you know I won't be able to give your reading at the moment. This was never my intention to back out or anything but a family emergency has risen up and it's really all I can think of. I'm not in a good mental or emotional state right now to deliver an objective reading. My sincere apologies and I hope you understand.

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posted July 23, 2012 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mean to be nosey or stumble on the convo or anything but I pray everything will be okay over there, Hanna.

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posted July 23, 2012 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hannaramaa, please don't worry about it! It's all good. I hope everything turns out okay with your family situation.

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