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Mirandee
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posted December 03, 2006 07:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been reading up on this subject as when faced with a situation that I do not really understand I attempt to learn about it so as to know how better to handle that situation in the future.

I am sure there are many more interesting article that can be found on the internet regarding the subject of verbal abuse than this one, but this one does cover the basics.


About the Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense (GAVSD)

Hostile language -- often called verbal abuse -- is one of the worst problems people face today. Hostile language is as dangerous to health and well-being as toxic waste, not only because of its own destructive nature but because it so often escalates into physical violence. The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense is a system developed by Suzette for establishing a language environment in which hostile language interactions almost never happen, and in which -- when they truly cannot be avoided -- they are handled efficiently, effectively, and with no loss of face on either side. Physical violence requires the intervention of law enforcement officers, medical professionals, and other outside "experts"; while violence is still verbal, every single one of us can learn to defuse it and handle it with skill. GAVSD is a simple and practical set of methods and techniques designed specifically for that purpose.

Why Verbal Self-Defense is a Skill We Need

It has undoubtedly happened to you. There you are, in the middle of a fierce argument with someone, and suddenly you realize that you not only don't particularly care about the subject of the argument but you can't understand how you got into the altercation in the first place!

This isn't trivial. Hostile language is dangerous to your health and well-being; it's toxic stuff. People who are frequently exposed to hostile language get sick more often, are injured more often, take longer to recover from illness and injury, and suffer more complications during recovery. As an obvious result, they tend to die sooner than those not so exposed. What's more, hostile language is just as dangerous to the person dishing it out (and to innocent bystanders who can't leave the scene) as it is to the person on the receiving end.

Obviously it's to your advantage to stay out of arguments in both your personal and your professional life, unless something truly important -- something about which you care profoundly -- is at stake. Even then, most of us are aware that it's possible to have intense discussions that don't turn into altercations. How is it, then, that intelligent people keep finding themselves involved in arguments almost by accident?

The answer is pretty simple, and it's a relic of the days when humankind dealt with sabertooth tigers at close range on a regular basis. One of the parts of your brain (the amygdala) is on constant duty, and one of its primary tasks is to scan for danger. When it spots an incoming perception that meets its criteria for danger, it has the ability to send a message that provokes an immediate fight-or-flight reaction, and it can do that without first going through the reasoning part of your brain. It can literally short-circuit your thinking process. In the sabertooth tiger days this was a good thing. You saw something vaguely big and furry, and you either left the scene fast or threw your club. You acted first, and then you thought about it, which increased your odds of survival a good deal.

This part of your brain can still be a good thing on those very rare occasions when you do face imminent life-threatening sudden peril from tornadoes or terrorists or mad gun-toters. The problem is that it's just as likely to kick in when the only threat you face is some klutz who wants to argue about whether his computer is more powerful than your computer. If the amygdala thinks the klutz is a threat, it bypasses your reasoning brain -- and shortly you're thinking, "I don't even CARE whether my computer has more memory than this turkey's computer! How the heck did I get INTO this?? And how the heck do I get OUT of it so I can get on with my day??" This can happen to anybody now and then; we all just lose it sometimes. But if it happens often, it's a grave threat to your well-being. It's a lot more dangerous to you than most of the risk factors you spend time and money trying to guard against. You need to know how to put an end to this nonsense.

The Basics of Verbal Self-Defense

Verbal self-defense has three basic parts:
understanding what's really going on
listening instead of leaping to conclusions
knowing how to respond.
Understanding what's really going on
First and foremost, you need to educate your amygdala. When somebody comes at you with hostile language, your amygdala typically says, "DANGER! RED ALERT!", and off you go. You need to be able to change the criteria your amygdala has for defining a threat.

Suppose a two-year-old runs at you screaming "YOU BIG MEANY! I don't LIKE you!" and starts pounding on your knees with tiny fists. Your amygdala doesn't pay the slightest attention. You know the toddler is no threat to you, you understand what causes such episodes, and you have better sense than to get involved in a fight with the poor little kid. The key here is that you understand what's going on, and that lets you stay detached and rational.

With verbal attackers, the problem is that we usually don't understand what's going on. The dominant idea about such people in our culture is that their goal in attacking you verbally is to hurt you, to cause you pain, to do you harm -- and that does of course fit your amygdala's specifications for danger. However, the idea is all wrong. It's a myth, just as "Sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you" is a myth.

Anybody can verbally attack once in a while. You're over-tired, you've had a horrible day, you're coming down with a bad cold, somebody says a few innocuous words at you, and you lose it -- you go after them as if they'd approached you swinging an axe. But chronic verbal attackers -- the ones that keep everybody around them in turmoil all the time, the ones that people will flee into a restroom to avoid when they see them coming down the hall -- are different. Sure, they could be sadistic psychotics out to savage you, but that's not likely (and if they are, there'll be other clues, such as the fact that they are swinging an axe). Almost always, chronic verbal abusers behave the way they do for one of two reasons:

A small percentage are simply klutzes. They're ignorant. They know no other way to communicate with other human beings. All they need is education.
As for the rest, they're desperate for attention and they know that throwing hostile language at you will get your attention.
In both cases, once you understand what's really going on, your reaction to such people will no longer be, "Danger! Red alert!" Your reaction will be compassion. As in "Poor thing. Desperate to communicate, and that's the best he/she can do." Or "Poor thing. Desperate for attention, and that's the best he/she can do." You still may not like the attacker and you'll still find the attacker's behavior unacceptable, but you won't have any interest in arguing.
Listening instead of leaping to conclusions
Psychologist George Miller long ago said something so important that I call it Miller's Law; he said, "In order to understand what another person is saying, you must assume that it is true and try to find out what it could be true of." That is, when somebody says, "Hey! My toaster talks to me!", your proper response is a neutral "Oh? What does your toaster say?" Followed by careful listening, with your full attention. You're not accepting as true the statement that the person's toaster talks to him or her; you're assuming temporarily that it is true, and then you're listening carefully to find out what the statement could be true of.

That's not how most of us operate. Most of us use a rule that I call Miller's Law In Reverse. We hear somebody say something that we react to negatively; we immediately assume that the utterance is false; and we stop listening because we're busy telling ourselves what's wrong with the person that explains why they'd say something so unacceptable to us. We leap to conclusions. We tell ourselves things like these:

"He's only saying that because.... he's uneducated/crazy/drunk/old/sadistic/showing off."
"She's only saying that because.... she's an airhead/vicious/on drugs/totally confused/out to get me."
"They're only saying that because... I'm short/people like them have no manners/I can't afford a decent suit/they don't like me."
The minute we do that, all listening stops. You can't listen to what someone else is saying and listen to your own self-talk at the same time; it's not neurophysiologically possible. And what happens next? A great deal of the time, a fight happens. Like this:
X: "Hey! My toaster talks to me!"
YOU: "Look, I don't have time for that kind of garbage! I've got work to do!"
X: "And I suppose MY work isn't as important as yours?"
YOU: "I didn't say that."
X: "Oh, yes you did!"
YOU: "I did NOT! I just said..."
And so on, downhill from there.
People tell me they don't have time to listen, they're too busy. I can assure you, based on three decades of teaching verbal self-defense, that they spend far more time straightening out the messes that result from not listening. Give the speaker your full attention for as long as it takes to understand what's really being said and why. Even if the speaker is a child. Perhaps especially if the speaker is a child. I once heard a mother answer a child's "Mom, I wish I was dead" with "Were dead, dear, not was dead." This is how we end up reading in newspapers that a child has done some terrrible thing "without warning." This is what's behind going home one night and finding that your spouse has left you "without warning." There's always a warning, but somebody has to be listening to it; otherwise, the person will give up and stop trying.

Knowing how to respond
Our culture teaches three standard ways to respond to a verbal attack:

Attacking back - "How DARE you say that to me!"
Pleading - "I can't BELIEVE you're going to start that again when you KNOW how much work I have to do today!"
Debating - "There are three reasons why what you say is ridiculous. First..."
All three are strategic errors, because all three reward the attacker by providing your immediate full attention, often with an emotional reaction thrown in that increases the intensity of that attention. All you do when you use those three traditional responses is encourage the attacker to do it again. After all, it worked.
What you need is a response that doesn't do this. You need a response that lets the attacker know you won't serve as willing victim. Fleeing the scene won't do it; fleeing makes it obvious to attackers that they "got to you"; they'll be eager to try again. Silently ignoring attackers won't serve either; in our culture, silence is punishment, and is just another kind of counterattack. Like fleeing, it says, "You got to me. You can push my buttons."

The verbal self-defense system that I teach includes an array of techniques too large to fit in this brief article. But I can give you two examples here (and you can find more information in my books or at my verbal self-defense Web site, http://www.adrr.com/aa/). Your goal is to respond to hostile language in a way that doesn't set you up as a victim, doesn't reward the attacker, doesn't require you to sacrifice your principles or dignity, and causes no loss of face on either side. For instance....


Use The Boring Baroque Response
When I'm asked to teach just one quick technique that can be used in lots of situations and is easy to learn, I teach the Boring Baroque Response (BBR). Suppose you have to deal with someone who is forever coming at you with hostile attacks like "WHY can't you EVER do your share of the WORK around here??" and "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??" and "WHY don't you stop DRESSING like a NERD??"
What your attacker wants is an interaction that goes roughly like this:

X: "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??"
YOU: "Whadda you MEAN? I DON'T eat a lot of junk food!"
X: "Oh, NO? What about that DOUGHNUT I saw you eating ten minutes ago?"
YOU: "Listen, I didn't have time to eat breakfast! I NEEDED that doughtnut!"
X: "Oh, yeah? Well what about that PIZZA you ordered yesterday afternoon...."
And so on...
This gives your attacker a chance to run you through a long list of complaints about the way you eat, and to demonstrate his or her power to really get you going. Even if you come out of this thinking that you have "won the argument," you've lost -- because the attack worked, and the attacker got what he or she wanted. People like your attacker are like little kids who'd rather be punished than ignored: If the only way they can get your full attention is to get your negative attention, they'll settle for that.
Instead of falling for this tactic, use a Boring Baroque Response. Your attacker has come at you with "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??" And here's what you say, while you stare not at the attacker but off into space, as if you were thinking deep thoughts.


"You know, I think it's because of something that happened to me when I was just a little kid. We were living in Detroit at the time, and... No, wait a minute! It couldn't have been Detroit, it must have been when we were living in Indianapolis, because that was the summer my Aunt Grace came to visit us and brought her dog. You know those funny little dogs with the big ears that stick out? Well, this dog...." [And so on, for as long as it takes.]
A response like this delivers the following message: "I notice that you're here to pick a fight. Do that if you like, but it's not going to be much fun for you, because I won't play that game." Listening to a BBR is excruciatingly boring. The most usual result is that by the time you've gotten to the part about your aunt's dog the attacker is already saying, "Oh, never MIND!" and leaving in a hurry -- while making a mental note that you're no fun as a victim and shouldn't be chosen for that role in future.

When the attack comes in the form of a statement instead of a question, as in "ALL YOU DO is stuff your face with JUNK food!!", just begin with "You know, hearing you say that reminds me of something that happened to me when I was just a little kid...." and so on. If you need a hifalutin version, say it reminds you of "an article I read only the other day in the New York Times. No, wait a minute.... It couldn't have been the New York Times. It must have been the Washington Post , because that's the one that comes on Thursday and Eileen always gets it before anyone else and....." . The BBR is also the best way to deal with none-of-their-business questions and comments from strangers. Like, "Oh, what a cute baby! It looks Chinese! [Or Spanish. Or whatever. The nosy stranger's point is that whatever the baby looks like, it doesn't look like it shares your ethnic heritage.] Where did you GET it?" Just remember one thing: You have to do the BBR straight. If you sound sarcastic or patronizing or hostile, it becomes a counterattack and it won't work.

Use Computer Mode
Hostile language in English almost always has two identifying characteristics:
lots and lots of personal vocabulary and personal comments.
lots of extra stress on words and parts of words.
Responding with more of the same is like throwing gasoline on a fire; it gives your attacker everything needed to feed the argument and make it escalate. There's a very different way of talking (from the work of Virginia Satir), that I call Computer Mode. To use Computer Mode: You avoid everything personal; you talk in platitudes and generalities and hypotheticals; and you keep your body language -- including the tune your words are set to -- neutral and controlled. Computer Mode defuses verbal attacks because it doesn't give the attacker what he or she wants and it doesn't give the attacker any fuel with which to keep the altercation going. There is no safer stance.
Suppose somebody has come at you with an attack like "WHY can't I ever FIND anything around this place? Do you HIDE STUFF just to be annoying, or WHAT??" Don't take the bait. Don't start claiming that you don't hide things; don't start explaining your system for putting things in their places; don't start yelling that the attacker is the one who misplaces everything or is just too stupid to be able to find anything; don't just yell, "Get out of my FACE, you creep!" All those responses reward the attacker and make you a participating verbal victim. Instead, say something like this:

"People get irritated when they can't find things."
"It's very annoying not to be able to find things."
"Misplaced tools [or books, or supplies, or whatever] cause problems in every workplace [or home, or clinic, or whatever]."
"Nothing is more distressing than having to hunt for things."
No matter how many more times the attacker throws hostile language at you, continue to answer only with another response in Computer Mode. If the hostile strategy has always worked in the past, it may take the attacker a while to understand that it's not going to work this time. Eventually, the attacker will run out of steam and give up -- and again, will make a mental note that you're no fun as a victim and shouldn't be chosen for that role in the future.
You'd be amazed at how many potential arguments I've nipped in the bud with a single meaningless emergency platitude. The attacker makes the first hostile move; and I answer, solemnly, "You know, you can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks." Many, many times, the next line from the poor soul attacking has been, "I never thought of it like that." Almost every time, the argument has ended right there -- for an impressive savings in time and energy all around, and far less pollution of the language environment.

Going Forward

In every hostile-language situation you have a broad range of responses at your disposal, from fierce anger at one extreme to silence at the other. Different responses have different consequences. The consequences of either the amygdala-driven fight-or-flight response, or the traditional responses of counterattack and pleading and debate, are rarely satisfactory. The consequences of chronic exposure to hostile language literally threaten your life and the lives of everyone else involved. You don't have to go that route. Use verbal self-defense instead.

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posted December 03, 2006 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Interesting Stuff!

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posted December 03, 2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome-ness

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posted December 04, 2006 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OOOOOOOO

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posted December 04, 2006 03:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who was it that said "the power of silence"

Was it Mr Crowley....maybe....?

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posted December 04, 2006 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article. I do hope WE CAN ALL learn from it as we have all been victims and perpetrators of such an attack.

Too bad this was not posted years ago- it could have prevented heated/ mean spirited exchanges from occuring in the present.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's funny Pid, because you are usually the #1 slinger of mud on this forum. Which is not to say that I don't sling my share of mud, but if you review past posts, I belive you are the lord of mud slinging and verbal abuse on this forum. Many people will agree with me.

I don't think you have any right to post here on this topic. The things you've said to people over time are extremely cruel. And again, you might point out I've done the same, and I have, but the volume with which you do it is quite generous.

If you do desire to grow and act in a more compassionate way then i applaud you. But in the meantime don't suggest that certain conflicts could have been avoided by using these techniques, you're the greatest perpatrator of verbal abuse on this forum and you know it. Don't be a hypcorite too.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes BlueRoamer, the entire coven from CE will agree with you.

But I don't.

Further Blue, you are not one to talk about the subject of verbal abuse yourself.

Neither should Mirandee, certainly not Mirandee who attempted to turn a heartfelt expression of concern for Rainbow into a witchhunt.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sure you would love to think that BR. I have been the brunt of a mulitude of your attacks as well. In all my dealings I have never wished or threatened violence on a person, nor have I wished them to be abused, to be sterile or stated it was my sole desire to hurt them. There are several people here that I have had heated exchanges with and usually it stays within that group.

I find it hypocritical that you would point fingers when you are the one that has consistently jumped into threads making some of the most horrendous statements I have ever had the displeasure to read- everything from racial slurs to gender bias statements.


As much as you and a few others would like to blame the heated exchanges on me for causing certain tragic circumstances, it won't fly here. Most of us are rational human beings that won't stand for baseless accusations.

As I said before, I am not negating what I have said, but I will be damned before people like you point fingers when in fact, you are just as guilty, if not more so (since you normally come into a thread, make an inflammatory remark, then leave).

In the same vein, I have acknowledged what I have said and done unlike some people.

Maybe you should look at your statement and think real hard about how it applies to you as well.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am I really to be admonished by the two people who made an argument that Rainbow must be mentally ill? To people who verbally beat and disparaged a poor woman with a brain tumor?

I'll admit to lots of verbal slander on this board. But I don't engage in it nearly as often as you two, you both make a daily practice of it. It's your daily bread. I chime in when I see that injustice is being done and that someone is being beaten down unfairly.

I'm sorry I simply won't accept any criticism from either of you. You both should be ashamed of yourself for your behavior. I'm sorry that you didn't know Rainbow was ill, but if you had any intuition you could tell something was wrong with her. I did and could, which is why i defended her when you were implying she was mentally ill. Perhaps, even worse, Piduau, you COULD tell something was wrong with her posts as I did, and you latched on to that and used it to abuse her more.

I'm not saying I'm an angel, perhaps I'm a hypocrite as well, but I don't verbally beat and bruise people who are sick.

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BlueRoamer..that was completely
UNLOVING

a direct attack..

the problem..is some people are not willing
to look at themSelves..
and we already agreed, Mirandee, Rainbow and Pidaua..had equally hurt one another...

I'll give you #1 Trouble Maker

from the
Blooming Flower of LOve. ...

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posted December 04, 2006 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No BR.. you are wrong. That post I made was on November 21st. It was a short post and then you challenged if someone could determine the status of a persons mental capacity based on writing alone.

I didn't keep pressing it. In fact, you will notice what was said about ME. In fact an entire post was dedicated to my perceived psychosis and mental instability. NOW if I had been the one diagnosed with a brain tumor.. would you have laid that guilt on another's doorstep for that post?

Here is the actual post-
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002905-10.html

I did not press the issue, the issues was pressed by someone other than me.

In fact this was the last post regarding that issue from me-

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posted November 22, 2006 05:19 PM
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I agree.... but at least it is keeping it out of the other threads. I have stopped responding to Rainbow in any thread but this one.
It is getting way old....


Edited to add.... If we can't lock it, I can at least not post on it again.... it should die and be buried in the LL graveyard

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Where do you get off stating I kept it going when in fact I stopped? I stated on the Mirandee thread (part of what had been deleted) that I was done with the issue- it was bothering others as it had before. In fact, I stopped the arguments SEVERAL times in the past and even turned the other cheek as I was called a had, stupida, a liar and other wonderful little names.

Six days later I was attacked on the FFA Kramer thread- AFTER all of the fighting was done. Still, I did not resort to name calling.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/007259-2.html


It seems that the moral of this story is "If pidaua calls someone names she is a nasty little wench, if someone jumps on pidaua and calls her names.. it is uncharacteristic and provoked"

It also seems to be BR, you are using this tragic circumstance to promote your own agenda against me. That is disgusting and while I do expect some to use grief in that manner, it does come across as a gross calculated misuse of tragedy on your part.

That's disgusting.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you BlueRoamer, YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

You're also attempting to stir the pot of witches brew Mirandee has whipped up.

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posted December 04, 2006 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And so are you Jwhop. You never admit to any culpability in anything. You never discuss yourself. All you do is constantly point fingers. You are a narcissist. You were there implying that it was possible Rainbow was mentally ill. Why not fess up to your crimes?

Both of you are like ogres that patrol these boards looking for any victim to beat over the head with your clubs. Usually these victims differ with your political ideologies.

Piduau, the fact that you need two leos to defend your misdeeds attests to how wrong you are. You need 2 incredibly strong personalities to cover up for your constant insults and disparaging remarks on this board. Notice that no one is covering my bases. I'm alone in pointing the finger of blame at the both of you.

I bet you'd both like everyone to just not notice the horrible things you've said to Rainbow, but I notice. Mirandee notices. Other people notice your verbal abuse.

At least I'll admit I sling mud. At least I have enough introspection to admit to the fact that I'm flawed. Jwhop you are a narcissist and a hypocrite, you thrive on your abuse of others. And in your reply you wont' make one mention of yourself, you'll only further discuss me and my flaws. This is what narcissists do.

The reason Piduau, that you are consantly under attack, is because you constantly attack others, and you love it, you thrive off of it. Just admit it, you love anger.

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Must be the Full Moon

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posted December 04, 2006 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... so your quote

"Both of you are like ogres that patrol these boards looking for any victim to beat over the head with your clubs. Usually these victims differ with your political ideologies.

Piduau, the fact that you need two leos to defend your misdeeds attests to how wrong you are. You need 2 incredibly strong personalities to cover up for your constant insults and disparaging remarks on this board. Notice that no one is covering my bases. I'm alone in pointing the finger of blame at the both of you."

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Is a direct example of not only being a hypocrite, but resorting to YOUR everyday name calling.

Why bring up that two Leo's are defending me? Other's have defended me as well. Should I bring up the astro signs of you, Mirandee and LL? Does that have anything to do with the price of Tea in China?

If you knew something was wrong BR, why didn't you say something to her? Maybe you could have actually posted something compassionate and of substance instead of directing the thread into asking about psychosis as determined by ones writing style.

Don't lay your guilt for knowing what other's did not and not doing anything about it on my doorstep.

I merely pointed out a concern with a writing style. No one did much about it from there and maybe that is where the hurt is coming from. I am sure there is anger that I pointed something out, but not being close to her I was not able to truly gauge the extent of any problem. Yet, those that were close to her have chosen this opportunity to slam me repeatedly.

Again, if I am diagnosed with cervical cancer and told I am not allowed to have children, will that give Bear and other's here permission to blame two people that made and pushed an issue about it?

That is just sickening. Even more so is that your opportunistic side took over and used this as you have.

Ick!


***Edited to add*** When are you and Mirandee going to get tired of making false accusations? If I did not want people to notice what I have said, if I wanted to hide it - I would have deleted my posts. They are still up, for everyone to see. Can you say the same about you?

Again - it is time for you and your pack to start putting your money where your mouth is. Prove your allegations or stop. I have already proven you wrong on so many counts, yet you are the one that runs and hides- only to come out later and make another factually inaccurate statement.


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Lotus ~ for the first time in a long time I'd like to ditto your post.

C'mon people, everyone here has engaged in a little mud-slinging. Myself included. Rainbow is in the hospital and we all feel awful but no one needs to be crucified.

Let's put this to bed ok? Let's concentrate our energies on sending Rainbow a little Light instead. Maybe the best defense against verbal abuse isn't psychological mind games. Maybe the best defense is to put it all into perspective and simply, graciously walk away.

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posted December 04, 2006 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right TINK....

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posted December 04, 2006 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the heck??? See this is what i mean...Mirandee posted a nice thread that we can ALLLLLL benefit from and someone just had to use that moment to attack someone else! I would kindly LOVE to know why? This is why there is no peace here cuz someone is just itching to say something nasty...i dont get it honestly... To have so much negative energy on a forum like this is rather a nice indicator of why the world in general is in the crapper...

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted December 04, 2006 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Props to Lotus!

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pidaua
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posted December 04, 2006 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B.U.D - Actually, since you are new you are not aware of the attacks between fellow knowflakes. This thread was not an innocent thread to enlighten knowflakes. It was another attempt at blaming me for the tragedy that is surrounding another knowflake. It has been said on several other threads, by the author of this one, that our arguments have caused medical illnesses and I am to blame.

If I had the power to cause medical problems that would also mean I had the power cure them. If that were true, I would choose the latter over the former any time.

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posted December 04, 2006 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm i was reading someone of the other ones, i actually asked a question regarding what you say. I was quite curious in that accusation myself because it seemed absurd, but i think it was cleared up.

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lotusheartone
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posted December 04, 2006 09:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JUst got home from the laundromat..hehe

and Wow! I feel Alot LOve here..

Let's all focus that energy
to Rainbow..whenever you have
a moment send Loving and Healing
thoughts..

thus sending ALL
this Magic. ...

I LOve you all so much
No Matter what..
I really do

I Know together
we can Miracles

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