posted August 18, 2007 04:37 AM              

More on Youtube if you put in "9/11, big explosions".

Also, if you have time, please watch this incredible speech, William Rodriguez, 'last man out'. I don't know about you, but after watching this, I felt in my heart that he is sincere, because he is so traumatized by what he saw that day, it changed his whole perspective on life. He also turned down millions of dollars to work for the government.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294

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Ego is no more than this: identification with form, which primarily means thought forms. If evil has any reality - and it has a relative, not absolute, reality - this is also it's definition: complete identification with form - physical forms, thought forms, emotional forms. This results in a total unawareness of my connectedness with the whole, my intrinsic oneness with every "other" as well as with the Source. This forgetfulness is original sin, suffering, delusion. When this delusion of utter separateness underlies and governs whatever I think, say and do, what kind of world do I create? To find the answer to this, observe how humans relate to each other, read a history book, or watch the news on television tonight.

If the structures of the human mind remain unchanged, we will always end up re-creating fundamentally the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction."

posted August 18, 2007 02:59 PM            

There are threads going back to the 9/11 event on this same forum, not to mention one already currently running...by YOU.

posted August 18, 2007 04:36 PM            

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Ego is no more than this: identification with form, which primarily means thought forms. If evil has any reality - and it has a relative, not absolute, reality - this is also it's definition: complete identification with form - physical forms, thought forms, emotional forms. This results in a total unawareness of my connectedness with the whole, my intrinsic oneness with every "other" as well as with the Source. This forgetfulness is original sin, suffering, delusion. When this delusion of utter separateness underlies and governs whatever I think, say and do, what kind of world do I create? To find the answer to this, observe how humans relate to each other, read a history book, or watch the news on television tonight.

If the structures of the human mind remain unchanged, we will always end up re-creating fundamentally the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction."

posted August 19, 2007 04:23 AM              

Those of you who don't wish to discuss it anymore needn't read this thread- go back to bed Just kidding. I do wonder how some of you expect people to be aware of every single thread which has been posted- I am sorry but it takes far too long to read every one of them!

posted August 19, 2007 04:26 AM              

These people make their minds up before examining all the facts, or they close their minds to anything that goes against what THEY want to believe.......it's a defense mechanism because this stuff sure does get depressing, so don't hate them for it- just let people carry on in the way they chose......

My own personal philosophy is to always keep an open mind. If someone has a greater knowledge of all the facts than I do, I am always willing to listen.....right now the all facts I've seen are OVERWHELMINGLY pointing to the conspiracy "theory".........

I'm always willing to have an open mind; my 'soul' purpose is to find the TRUTH.....personally I'd rather NOT think that the world had these conspiracies, but I am not going to bury my head in the sand if it really is going on......

And if I am proven wrong, it wouldn't bother me....just show me the TRUTH!!!!!!

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Date: 19 Aug 2007, 04:32

I won't leave her link here, because that would be terribly mean. But I had to share this with all of you, because incidentally , I happen to be in her top friends. (I Swear) Talk about being the real moron here.

Monday, July 16, 2007

To those who spew 911 conspiracy theories. I have had it.

I must say one thing about all of you 911 conspiracy theorists. You're all a bunch of idiots. I'm as upset as anyone over 911. Many poor decisions have been made over the past 6 years following this great tragedy. To spew lies and conspiracy theories, however, is the ultimate disrespect to all those who died on 911. It's high time people stop spewing utter ******** about 911! Inside job by the Bush administration my ass. Get ******* real. Sorry, but I'm getting so sick of this **** ! If you're one of those ***** who wants to obsess over such rubbish, find someone else to add to your MySpace site. I will no longer have anything to do with such idiocy. The same delusional people who turn 911 into a conspiracy by the Bush administration are the same people who obsess over aliens. I had added some of you because I had associated you with enlightenment. Since then, you've proven to be nothing more than crazed, radical liberals that lack the capacity to make any rational judgement whatsoever. You harbor an us vs them mentality that smacks of the same irrational thinking possessed by the terrorist who attacked us. While some attempt to instill in Americans an irrational fear of terrorism, you infect others with your irrational fear of the Bush administration and imagined evils of our nation. You're ridiculous. Spread anti-Bush sentiments all you want. But your rationale must make sense. Buh, bye morons!

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Too bad this damn thing only goes up to 2 Kudos....

They are total ******* morons... They weren't even creative enough to alter the OKC Federal building conspiracy theories very much.

BTW- I went online after the first tower fell... and that is when I saw the first conspiracy theory rear its ugly head, several minutes before the 2nd tower fell. I guess they are really quick with their investigations in the structural dynamics of a highrise fire and the effects of slamming a 500,000 lb aircraft into a 110 story building at 300mph. They were able to determine the cause of the collapse before anybody.

IDIOTS!!!!

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Exactly! It's all a bunch of nonsense talk from radical idiot liberals that obviously have too much time on their hands. My suggestion is they get a life and get a job. One of my friends here on MySpace is constantly forwarding bulletins he gets from his fellow conspiracy nuts. Anything to slam the conservatives. There are plenty of valid reasons to disapprove of Bush or the conservative party. PLENTY of reasons. What's the deal with making up ridiculous accusations? They lock themselves in their rooms and worry about CIA coverups, how Bush Sr. was PERSONALLY responsible to Kennedy's assassination and how George W had a personal hand in the planning and execution of 911. You've GOT to be KIDDING me!

I want the off my friends list. I don't care if they share my spiritual or esoteric interests. They're idiots. And I don't associate with idiots. They are the reason I abandoned the Democratic party and became and Independent.

posted August 19, 2007 06:48 AM            

It's the same with facts. Is it true because X person, whomever they may be or whatever field they may represent, said it's a fact? Or does it hold up on its own through a thorough analysis of its statements? And what about the relative knowledge regarding the subject at hand of the person making the inquiries?

Especially with theories such as these that involve various fields of knowledge, getting all the facts without bias is not a stroll in the park. X amount of experts will give you Y amount of statements regarding how, scientifically, this and that were impossible. Then Z amount of experts will give you A amount of statements regarding how, scientifically, this and that were possible. Just look at the Global Warming debate.

posted August 19, 2007 09:22 AM              

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Look who is talking! The self-proclaimed junkyard discussion messiah!

posted August 19, 2007 09:27 PM            

I"m glad not everyone believes what is force fed by the mass media. This theory is not necessarily true, but what was presented to us by the media is not necessarily true either. I believe it's important to keep an open mind, question authority, and try to see events from different perspectives.

posted August 21, 2007 07:17 AM              

[img]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7139/017ip0.jpg[img]

posted August 21, 2007 08:09 AM            

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The web is full of sites covering various conspiracy theories. Many seem well-researched, and appear to have plenty of detailed documentation to prove their claims. But are they really true?

We don’t know, but one good way to start is by checking a few claims for yourself. We tried that with a number of 9/11 sites, with surprising results. Many of the “facts” we read were distorted, or simply wrong. Quotes were routinely taken out of context. Relevant information was often ignored. And much of this could be discovered with a minimum of online research.

Whatever you believe about 9/11, the spreading of false claims helps no-one, and we’d like to play a small part in revealing some of them. We’re not about debunking entire conspiracies, then, but will use this site to zoom in on what we think are the more dubious stories, revealing the misquotes, the distortions, the inaccuracies that are so common online.

But does this make us an authority? No. If we’ve an overall message here, it’s check things for yourself. Don’t trust a site just because it’s telling you what you want to believe. Don’t believe us without evaluating our arguments and checking the references we provide, either (we’re as likely to make mistakes as anyone else). Look into the claims yourself, discover both sides of the argument, and make your own mind up. The truth deserves nothing less.

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911Myths ... Reading between the lies

Clearly, this forum has plenty of links and articles, questions, opinions and facts regarding how 911 was the most heinous of conspiracies. I certainly hope a few links to a different perspective won't cause offense. So, though perhaps inevitable and to be as clear as I can, this link isn't intended to offend. Looking at all possible sides must include all possible sides, not only the ones we'd like to believe are true ... and that goes for "both" sides.

posted August 21, 2007 09:03 AM              

'Facts'.....'facts'....What really are the 'facts'?

posted August 22, 2007 11:17 AM              

" Aluminum burns at over 4,100 K (6920°F), which is two-thirds the temperature at the surface of the Sun " ( ref. ~ http://www.aerospaceweb.org ~ )

then i took a look at this .. i.e against the demolition theory
( us government site )
~ http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm ~

and then this .. for the demolition theory ..
this looks at the construction of WTC and how it might have been brought down ..

~ http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html ~

i was trying to find some data about those angle 'cut' columns ..

posted August 22, 2007 11:50 AM              

When I watched William Rodriguez' speech, I just couldn't see any reason for him to lie; I just felt he was telling the truth. A traumatic experience like that would have changed his viewpoint forever. He doesn't seem to care about money- he is/was homeless....he turned down the money to work for the government.....Ok, people praise him but he deserves that, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the ego....and it is no compensation for the nightmares he has to live with every day.

posted August 22, 2007 12:26 PM              

"As an underwriter of architects and engineers professional liability I am privy to many of the means and methods of construction of large bulidings and such (I have to know what I am insuring) . It is a fairly common practice for demolitions to be incorporated within the design elements of any skyscraper such as the trade centers as building designers have to think about the future and an "orderly" method of bringing down these buildings after their useful lifespan has been reached."