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charlie
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posted June 14, 2019 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the difference in a tight orb?
Let's take Mars parallel Pluto 1 degree and Mars conj. Pluto 1 degree as an example.

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posted June 14, 2019 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mean to ask which is "stronger"? Well I like to think of them working in unison than in competition.

I personally first consider declination aspects, then follow those up with the major latitudinal aspects the conjunction,square and opposition.

In my chart Sun-Jupiter are parallel by a tight orb of less than 1.

Sun-Jupiter are also conjunct by a 5 degree orb.

So this suggests that Sun-Jupiter is a very prominent aspect in my chart as there is both a declination aspect and conjunction.

There is no "winner" in the strict sense of the word. They work in union.

Even in two differing charts, the natives concerned will express the energy of the combo. Whether you find the parallel aspect in one or the conjunction in the other.

What does count here is the orb tightness. In the latter case, the one with the wider orb of either will have another aspect(with a tighter orb) automatically dominate.

So if there is a wider orb of the conjunction, the aspect may not be as strong as the one with an orb under obe degree orb in parallel declination.

But if the orb is less than one and the other also has it less than one in declination, it is prevalent in both charts.

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posted June 14, 2019 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm..ok. So if person:

A: Mars CONJUNCT Pluto 1,5 degrees
B: Mars PARALLEL Pluto 1 degree

which one of these two people embodies Mars/Pluto the most?

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posted June 14, 2019 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if the two planets are only parallel but there isn’t an aspect between the two planets? Would the energy between the two planets still be felt? Or does there actually need to be an aspect?

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posted June 14, 2019 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think parallels are more internal. Kind of like retrograde planets so someone with Mars conjunct Pluto would show that energy outwardly but Mars parallel Pluto would take it in. I have uranus, Neptune, and Jupiter parallel my ascendant and all of the descriptions I've read I can relate to personally but no one but my closest friends would be able to see those aspects in me. If someone had them conjunct their ascendant, I'm sure they would play a more active roll on the outside.

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posted June 14, 2019 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
Hmm..ok. So if person:

A: Mars CONJUNCT Pluto 1,5 degrees
B: Mars PARALLEL Pluto 1 degree

which one of these two people embodies Mars/Pluto the most?


Both do. The aspect presence suggest they will embody its nature.The house position however will be more telling as to "where" the expression will peak.

I must add though that with Mars, the expression is more apparent i.e its part of self expression(Mars).Just like how Sun/Pluto would be.But with Mars, there is more emphasis on "winning".

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posted June 14, 2019 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
What if the two planets are only parallel but there isn’t an aspect between the two planets? Would the energy between the two planets still be felt? Or does there actually need to be an aspect?

Parallel and Contraparallel aspects ARE aspects.They are REAL aspects.Atleast that is my experience as the transits involving declinations nullified the doubt I had.

There was nothing "pretentious" about Trans Ura parallel my Asc.That was a definitive radical change in identity.

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posted June 14, 2019 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
Hmm..ok. So if person:

A: Mars CONJUNCT Pluto 1,5 degrees
B: Mars PARALLEL Pluto 1 degree

which one of these two people embodies Mars/Pluto the most?


All other things being equal, probably the person with the conjunction. But it could also depend on whether one of these has a natal aspect culminating by progression. If one does, that one may be the one that most embodies it.


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posted June 14, 2019 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Parallel and Contraparallel aspects ARE aspects.They are REAL aspects.Atleast that is my experience as the transits involving declinations nullified the doubt I had.

There was nothing "pretentious" about Trans Ura parallel Asc.That was a definitive radical change in identity.



I have Venus contra-parallel Pluto so that means I would identify with someone who has Venus opposition Pluto?

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posted June 15, 2019 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imo..yes. I know people don't equate them as "equals". And others do etc. But I take them as seriously as I do the "usual" aspects.

I have Mercury parallel Jupiter(no aspect between Jupiter and Mercury).Have you seen how long and dare I say "preachy" my posts can get on here when I am passionate about a subject? Its hard for me to be "brief" on many of my responses.

My ex has Venus contra parallel Mars. He is dating a volatile balling fist responsive individual who gets very physical with him. This supports his Uranus/Mars contraparallel.

I don't consider them "weak" at all.However I do have trouble discerning the effects of the "minor" aspects sesquiquadrate, semi-square,semi-sextile etc. I really can't explain those successfully.

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posted June 15, 2019 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Imo..yes. I know people don't equate them as "equals". And others do etc. But I take them as seriously as I do the "usual" aspects.

I have Mercury parallel Jupiter(no aspect between Jupiter and Mercury).Have you seen how long and dare I say "preachy" my posts can get on here when I am passionate about a subject? Its hard for me to be "brief" on many of my responses.

My ex has Venus contra parallel Mars. He is dating a volatile balling fist responsive individual who gets very physical with him. This supports his Uranus/Mars contraparallel.

I don't consider them "weak" at all.However I do have trouble discerning the effects of the "minor" aspects sesquiquadrate, semi-square,semi-sextile etc. I really can't explain those successfully.


Do you count them In synastry as well?

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posted June 15, 2019 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely !

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posted June 21, 2019 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 21, 2019 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what if the parallel is in two different signs how does that work? I asked about this to no avail in Interpersonal astrology. I would appreciate anyone who could lend their insight to how a parallel in synastry between Scorpio Moon and Sagittarius Moon with tight orb would play out. So looking forward to hearing your insights!

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posted June 25, 2019 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
So what if the parallel is in two different signs how does that work? I asked about this to no avail in Interpersonal astrology. I would appreciate anyone who could lend their insight to how a parallel in synastry between Scorpio Moon and Sagittarius Moon with tight orb would play out. So looking forward to hearing your insights!

It works fundamentally by what the planets are. So push aside signs at first. What is the Moon? In synastry Moon parallel Moon shows resonance and sympathy in spite of the different signs involved. Two modes of expression don't have to change for there to be an emotional center between the two people.

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posted June 27, 2019 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
So what if the parallel is in two different signs how does that work? I asked about this to no avail in Interpersonal astrology. I would appreciate anyone who could lend their insight to how a parallel in synastry between Scorpio Moon and Sagittarius Moon with tight orb would play out. So looking forward to hearing your insights!

My Moon in Cancer forms a tight parallel with a friend of mine who has his Moon in Leo. I would not say we are very close.There could be other factors at play though.

Another has Sun in Gemini tightly parrallel my Moon in Cancer.We grate on each other's nerves.He irritates me.

I was suprised to find a Moon in Aqua I really liked.Their Moon tightly parallel my Sun.We got on very well.


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posted June 27, 2019 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It works fundamentally by what the planets are. So push aside signs at first. What is the Moon? In synastry Moon parallel Moon shows resonance and sympathy in spite of the different signs involved. Two modes of expression don't have to change for there to be an emotional center between the two people.


Would that also be the same for Mars parallel Mars in synastry?

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posted June 27, 2019 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is a parallel aspect exactly? Aspects to neighboring signs?

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posted June 27, 2019 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm asking if Mars parallel Mars in synastry would be felt and played out like the conjunction? Even if both signs are different?

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posted June 29, 2019 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What is a parallel aspect exactly? Aspects to neighboring signs?

No, but it very often involves planets that are in neighboring signs. It is a feature of declination, planets' movements north and south of the celestial equator. You can read all about it on my declinations page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/

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No, but it very often involves planets that are in neighboring signs. It is a feature of declination, planets' movements north and south of the celestial equator. You can read all about it on my declinations page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/



But how would Mars parallel Mars play out when both are in different elements?

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No, but it very often involves planets that are in neighboring signs. It is a feature of declination, planets' movements north and south of the celestial equator. You can read all about it on my declinations page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/


Thank you Kannon! I have moon square mars in my natal chart in Leo and Taurus, this would be parallel?

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posted June 30, 2019 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you Kannon! I have moon square mars in my natal chart in Leo and Taurus, this would be parallel?

No, to check parallels (on astro.com) pull a chart, click on 'PDF > Additional tables'.

Over there, you'll be able to see the declination for each planet and whether it's North or South.

Kannon was referring to the declinations degree on his page. Not just the standard longitude degree of planets that most of us refer to.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
[b] No, but it very often involves planets that are in neighboring signs. It is a feature of declination, planets' movements north and south of the celestial equator. You can read all about it on my declinations page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/



But how would Mars parallel Mars play out when both are in different elements?[/B][/QUOTE]

Im curious as well i have mars in cancer parallel my girlfriends mars in gemini

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