posted May 29, 2009 01:42 AM         

I'm a very nurturing person. I love children and I love taking care of them. However, I feel no instinct to procreate. I don't feel as if I need to have give birth to a child to feel fulfilled or even pass on my ideals. I do that with the children I teach and come across everyday. I'm dedicating my LIFE to children, yet I feel no need to have one of my own.

My philosophy behind this is that I don't need someone who is my own flesh and blood to pass on knowledge and culture to. I don't care about someone having my DNA (that's a big eff you evolution!), and if I do ever decide to have a child in my life I would only adopt.

A friend of mine asked me if I would ever donate my eggs since I'm not going to use them, and I said a big resounding no. I don't want my body to be a part of procreation. I don't want to help add another person into this world because it's already crowded and there are so many children here already that need help. Yes - it would be nice to help a couple have a child... but that would just be indirectly having a child and I want to part in that. I suppose I'm taking the Angelina Jolie stance (hahaha...) that I'd feel guilty if I brought another life into this world knowing that another life is waiting for someone to take care of them.

As far as adoption is concerned, I've really considered it, and it's my most likely ending decision when it comes to motherhood. The likelihood of me choosing that path is very slim, however. I expect a lot out of myself, and if I have a child I will put into 200% of myself. If I put in 200% of myself, most likely I would have to sacrifice... when I'm back in New York I'll have two part-time teaching jobs and I volunteer for 5+ nonprofits around the city. Work is my life, and children are my work. Even so... having a child of my own would get in the way of me helping many children. Yes - if I have a child I would be completely there for one child instead of being somewhat supplimentary to a ton of children... but I don't feel that way... I feel that I would make a bigger difference helping out a whole school of children than being there completely for just one child.

I have nothing in the 5th house. My 5th house ruler is Sag Uranus in the 3rd. It's exactly conjunct my Saturn. Both are in an out of sign opposition to my Chiron/Sun conjunction in Cancer. Both are only aspected to each other and are sort of singletons (I have no other fire in my chart).

I do have NN conjunct Mars in Pisces right between my 5th house and 6th house... House placement really depends on what system you use.

posted May 29, 2009 03:19 AM         

A couple of female friends of mine who weren't bothered knew they would have problems (endometriosis in both cases) in which case it made sense to me that they adjusted their lives accordingly. one is Cancer Sun, the other is Capricorn Sun and Aries Rising

Me? I'm not really the domestic type and never hankered after the white picket fence. However, mad passion struck me and I met someone I very much wanted to have children with - who knows how life would have turned out if I never met him?

Aries is on my 5th house - traditionally not fertile nor particularly maternal.

posted May 29, 2009 04:01 AM         

My ego wants to pass along genes.
My body likes the practice.
My heart and mind (for once) are in agreement, saying: Who knows?

As a rule, I prefer animals over human children. If I could give birth to kittens, I'd be a kittening kind of gal. Alas, all I can aspire to with that is Crazy Cat Lady.

No, I don't have the urge to bear a child. Nor do I think it's *natural* for everyone to want to do so Some people want it, some don't, and it's that simple.
I also do think age makes a difference. Past 25, 28, you change. Your body changes. Everything changes.

I remain open.
At some point I thought I'd have a lot of kids. Not because I wanted them, but because I felt I should. Instead, I got a lot of stray animals. The 5th house thing has its way in some form or another. If not a child then an animal. If not an animal then an artistic creation.

Well, I've got 2 out of 3.

posted May 29, 2009 04:26 AM           

I too want to have a calico and a orange tabby.

posted May 29, 2009 10:15 AM         

Could be the moon and venus sign placement, mine are both virgo and gemini respectively. I don't think those are very nurturing sign placements. Oddly though, my venus and jupiter are in the 5th.

posted May 29, 2009 11:08 AM         

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What sort of aspects indicate a person who has no physical or emotional need for children? For example, a woman who sees a baby and doesn't feel anything.

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I was like this until I turned 31.

posted May 29, 2009 12:34 PM         

personally i never cared and didn't consider myself to have a maternal bone in my body - until i got pregnant. nothing on earth would have stopped me having that child. and after having her, i felt no more urge to procreate. had one "medical" termination due to extreme illness and another miscarried...one is plenty. often i wonder what life without her would have been like but i don't regret a single minute.

posted May 29, 2009 12:39 PM         

I have Uranus in the 5th and depending on the house system I have Pluto in the 5th too. Both my Venus and Moon are in water signs (Venus in Pisces and Moon in Cancer).

posted May 29, 2009 12:50 PM         

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They say people that don't like or don't want kids has their Inner Child hurting so badly that they subconsciously dont want to have anything to do with it

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I think I've nurtured my inner child TOO MUCH.

The reason I don't want kids is because I'm a woman and the quickest way to fence yourself in as a woman is to have children. You're tied to them at least for 18 years. People won't hire you if they suspect you're going to get pregnant and leave the company. People fire you once you DO get pregnant because the laws in America regarding maternal/paternal leave are bogus. If you get divorced and you're a woman with kids, you're financially f*cked.

Idk, I have a 10th house NN. I don't think my soul would be too happy if I had a ton of kids and had to stay home to take care of them.

posted May 29, 2009 01:14 PM         

I am curious

Do you have a strong Black Moon Lilith influence. I believe that Black Moon Lilith is a strong feminist archetypal energy. I think that it's just a strong female archetypal energy overall. Black Moon Lilith is the lunar apogee (the point of the moon's orbit farthest from the Earth),and Moon appears at its smallest when at apogee. Its opposite point, lunar perigree is the point of the moon's orbit closest to the Earth,and Moon appears at its largest when at perigree.

mean black moon lilith is listed with the major asteroids,kuiper belt objects at astro.com

true black moon lilith is listed as h15 with the hypotheticals

another thing.

I think the dwarf planets named after fertility deities will also give clues into issues with parenthood

Haumea is dwarf planet,kuiper belt object named after Hawaiian fertility goddess

MakeMake is dwarf planet,kuiper belt object named after Rapanui fertility god.

There is also the dwarf planet,Ceres named after the Roman Goddess of the harvest....an Earth mother goddess.

Juno is an asteroid named after the Roman Goddess of Marriage. Juno was also connected to childbirth too.

Lucina was used as an epithet for Juno.

Lucina was the Roman goddess of childbirth.
there is an asteroid,Lucina too. It's already been mentioned in another thread.

I also believe that the heliocentric planetary nodes are important. Their house placements could be significant. all nodes are just the intersection of 2 orbital planes. Therefore every object has a node and not just the Moon.

I believe that the aspects to heliocentric Ceres and Juno nodes could give insights into motherhood.

I believe that Virgo can be nurturing influence. After all, it's an earth sign. Moon is Virgo's esoteric ruler.

The Greeks viewed the constellation of Virgo as Demeter, the Greek counterpart of Ceres.

There is always going to be something in a chart that will modify a placement,aspect.

Raymond

posted May 29, 2009 01:18 PM         

true BML conj Sun/IC
mean BML in the 5th, parallel Sun
DML conj Juno
asteroid Lilith conj asteroid Child
asteroid Lucifer conj Ceres

hm

posted May 29, 2009 01:46 PM         

it seems more Uranian than Uranus in regards to being a nonconformist,controversial,and going against the status quo

I would look at the heliocentric Eris Nodes too.

Eris energy in connection to 5th house.....could be going against the status quo,being a nonconformist,controversial by not having children

it can also mean having children that go against the status quo,nonconformist

Eris is female goddess too.

In the mythology, there are no stories of her getting it on with males and having children.

Eris seemed like the antithesis of Aphrodite/Venus

it's interesting that Eris' North Node is in Taurus,and its perihelion is in Libra.

Eris might also relate to feminism, and does seem to have to do with advocacy,equal rights,diversity matters.

The National Organization for Women was founded on October 29, 1966. Sun conjunct Heliocentric South Node always occurs around October 28th to October 30th. I was born exactly 5 years after NOW was founded.

posted May 29, 2009 02:19 PM         

I have no planets in the 5th house and I have two kids and darn sure don't want anymore..My bf on the other hand has Moon and Venus in the 5th house and he loves him some kids anybodys kids. He has one daughter and she is 17 years old. Whats funny is my Saturn falls in his 5th house so as much as I love him still don't want any kids with him or any other man..

posted May 29, 2009 02:27 PM           

I want more than anything to have a baby but i am PETRIFIED. Petrified to the point whre i could take fertility pills to fall pregnant and then if i do i could have an abortion if i chicken out.

Saturn is my 5th house ruler. Conjunct pluto in 1st.

Lilith in 5th..

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted May 29, 2009 02:27 PM           

I want more than anything to have a baby but i am PETRIFIED. Petrified to the point whre i could take fertility pills to fall pregnant and then if i do i could have an abortion if i chicken out.

Saturn is my 5th house ruler. Conjunct pluto in 1st.

Lilith in 5th..

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted May 29, 2009 02:32 PM         

I would also say the same with people with strong centaur energy (Chiron,Pholus,Nessus,and others), strong kuiper belt energy (Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna).

Centaurs and Kuiper belt objects have highly eccentric orbits compared to all the planets including Uranus. Uranus is a conformist compared to the centaurs and kuiper belt objects. The astronomical symbolism tends to match the astrological symbolism.

especially in hard aspects, the kuiper belt objects and centaurs can be too nonconformist and have difficulty working for anybody. They will also just be as too strange any way,and that can attract them to being treated as outcasts.

outer planets in hard aspects can also be unconventional. Dane Rudhyar wrote about that too.

They will probably be better off in metaphysically oriented,"New Age" careers. In those type of careers, you're pretty much self employed any way......especially Astrologers.

many would say that having a 9-5 job is conforming,sticking to tradition.
not just having children

also novelty-seekers, DRD4 7R gene types that get labeled ADHD aren't made to be 9-5 workers. Most schools are made for that purpose to make people 9-5 docile workers.

It doesn't matter if you're male or female.

it can be just as tough for male who is expected to be the breadwinner.

Males have to deal with stereotypes just as females do. Many males aren't comfortable with the male stereotypes, and they end up getting criticized by many males and many females. I know this personally as male that doesn't fit male stereotypes.

I notice that there are women that want to be treated equally, but many of them want men to be masculine and not "too sensitive" and be virile,energetic, and be able to have a lot of stamina if you know what I mean. If men are very feminine,many often see something wrong with them.

I do believe that it's unfair for women to be viewed as something wrong with them for showing strong masculine traits. Some women are born with higher levels of male hormone just like some men are born with higher levels of female hormone. There is nothing wrong with any of that.

I think there is a lot of complications about traditional,conformity when it comes to the 2 sexes.