posted June 12, 2010 06:33 AM         

Could any of you lindalanders give the chart a run over for me please?! We were going to go for early June, but apart from the weather in the UK not being predictable by that time and the grass pollen sticking it to hay-fever sufferers, there's also a big fat Venus retrograde hanging around. So we scrapped that!!!

Here's the date we went for.....

Saturday 18th August 2012
15:30 PM
High Beach, London, England

I'm so sorry - I can't remember how to post charts.

I don't know much about magi, but from what I can see, the new date has two Cinderella aspects; Venus trine Chiron and Neptune conjunct Chiron. And some nice solid Saturn aspects too.

Our details.....

Taumini
20th May 1984
10:05 AM
London, Engalnd

Mr Bull
7th May 1983
15:40 PM
London, England

Thank you very much in advance for anyone who can help!!!

posted June 12, 2010 09:26 AM         

I think this way you will get more responses. People need the visuals, at least I do.

posted June 12, 2010 10:41 AM         

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sorry .. would not know where to start ..
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posted June 12, 2010 01:20 PM         

The not so good news is that the date you chose is not a good day to be the birthdate of a marriage. I'm about to post the chart on here pointing out the indicators of why you shouldn't get married on that day. Give me a little time, I need to print it, circle the problem areas then scan it back to my computer and upload it to photobucket.

But in the meantime I can tell you the first glaring problems that stuck out.

1. Mars-Saturn conjunction in 10th House - if one of you is a builder or into construction or ironwork, this will be good, however it can be a suggestion of brutality in the collective career sector for one or both of you. There's a mafia feel to it. Not only that, when the conjunction Solar Arcs into Scorpio, it suggests that things become waaaay more brutal and I don't like the fact that it will be in your 11th House of receiving love at that point, which will be 5 to 7 years into the marriage.

2. Neptune opposite Sun and Moon. Neptune opposite the Sun/Moon midpoint. This is a strong suggestion of deception and confusion in your relationship. There are other strong indicators of secretiveness, especially having the Sun in the 8th House of secrets and the Moon rules the 8th House of secrets.

Now, EVERYTHING has a positive side to it. I don't know you or your fiance so I can't tell you what those things are. Maybe you both own a construction company, therefore the Mars-Saturn conjunction will suit you both just fine. You both may decide to own a butcher shop 5 to 7 years after your marriage begins and once again it would be a good thing.

Maybe you're both film makers and the Neptune opposite the Sun/Moon midpoint suits you both fine in that respect, but I don't know. I'll post the chart in a little while. It may take me some time with everything pointed it.

Geocosmic Valentine
Professional Astrologer
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posted June 12, 2010 01:59 PM         

Here's the chart of that day:

Also, notice how Neptune and Chiron square the Ascendant axis. I indicated that in red because through Solar Arcs, the Ascendant will square Chiron a year from the marriage date, that will suggests a wounding of the identity of the marriage and the relationship itself.

In 5 years, Neptune will Solar Arc to that same Ascendant axis quite possibly dissolving the marriage.

posted June 13, 2010 04:53 AM         

•If then a wedding takes place locating the Sun in the tenth house, the family will be prominent in some area.

•The Sun in the fifth house may find the family active in sports.

•The Sun in the fourth house will keep the family at home, maybe active hosts but at home!

When the female energy is represented by the first house it will be found that "she" is more the public figure or that "they" are supported by outside sources through her contacts, such as family inheritance.

The Moon of any wedding chart describes the daily events in the life of the marriage.

DANGER SIGNALS IN THE WEDDING CHARTS
Marriages are subject to troublesome times under the cycle of Saturn just as an individual is. The third year is critical because Saturn is then 15 degrees from its position at the time of the wedding and from there the years are; seven, twenty-one, twenty-eight, thirty-five, forty-two, and on so long as the marriage would last.

The progressed Moon operates on approximately the same cycle as Saturn, but perhaps and usually in a different sign and a different house. Then it pays us to watch carefully that Moon and Saturn do not severely afflict in the marriage chart so not to multiply trouble.

The early days of the marriage may suffer when the progressed Moon enters the next sign and this can be any time during the first twenty-eight months of the marriage, depending upon the degree of the Moon at the time of the wedding.

RETROGRADE PLANETS
All love relationships are in danger when Venus is retrograde, regardless of its direction in the wedding charts. Venus retrograde "is falling out of love" and takes on a Mars attitude causing each partner to expect more of the other and each partner to more individualistic.

When the Sun transits Aquarius divorce rates rise. Aquarius is the sing of freedom and Uranus rules divorce. Usually one of the parties does not want the divorce but more often finds that the suddenness of it was the cause of the suffering and that the situation actually is better than before in some way.

Mercury retrograde is not guarantee of divorce. There will be changes in the marriage on the years Mercury progresses direct and if divorce occurs it may well coincide with Mercury returning by progression to the degree where it was in the wedding chart. Also, if Mercury is retrograde and divorce does occur the divorce will most likely be file during a period when Mercury is transiting retrograde. If there is a secret marriage followed by a public ceremony, the chart of the public ceremony probably will have Mercury retrograde.

Mercury in the wedding chart represents the children born to the union and a retrograde, if in the fifth, seventh, ninth, eleventh, etc., house will depict that the pregnancy representing that child will result in a miscarriage. Now to clarify; The fifth house is the first child, the seventh house is the second child and the third child is the ninth house. If Mercury is retrograde in any of these houses the child represented by that house will deliver prematurely. In which case the following alternate house will rule any next child to be born.

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CRITICAL DEGREES
CARDINAL SIGNS 0, 13, 26
FIXED SIGNS 9, 21
MUTABLE SIGNS 4, 17
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The ANARETIC degree (29’) of any sign is to be AVOIDED in a wedding chart, especially for the degree of ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, SUN, MOON, VENUS, MARS, OR JUPITER.

THIS IS SAID TO BE THE DEGREE OF TEARS!

Sun at 29 degrees, Moon at 29 degrees. Jupiter opposite Uranus.
Uranus square Moon, Venus or Mars SHOULD BE AVOIDED in any wedding chart because Uranus is freedom and the square stimulates too much friction between parties.

Three degree orbs were used for this study!

The Ascendant in the marriage chart event and may be performed under tearful circumstances of someone.

The Midheaven brings scandal or trouble from the parents.

The Sun is the masculine image and authority of the chart and the 29TH DEGREE OF THE SUN DESTROYS THE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE PARTIES.

Moon in the 29TH DEGREE BRINGS MUCH UNHAPPINESS TO THE WIFE, HOME AND FAMILY MAY ALSO SUFFER IN TIME.

Venus influences happiness and love. Venus at the 29th degree DENIES LOVE TO ONE OF THE PARTNERS. Eg; early death of one of the partners or accident or illness immobilising one.

Mars is vitality and energy. One of the partners will feel TOO RESTRICTED and the partnership may even be interspersed with actual combat. Venus and Mars at the 29th degree will have a bearing on the sexual relationship between the parties.

Jupiter represents the legality of the act and the ceremony itself. Jupiter in the 29th degree is very prominent

If we want marriage to last than we must stick to these rules regarding wedding chart:
•fixed ASC
•Moon must not be in Scorpio
•Venus and Mars must be in easy applying aspect
•Sun or Moon must not have applying aspect with Ur
•Venus must be direct
•Sa, Ma, Ur, Pl must not be in angular house
•ruler of ASC and ruler of DSC must be in easy applying aspect
•Ruler of ASC must not be in conjunction with Sa

posted June 15, 2010 02:10 PM         

Here is the link..

posted June 15, 2010 02:38 PM         

Geo is right, a very stressful chart!!

posted June 15, 2010 02:39 PM         

Geo is right, a very stressful chart!!

posted June 15, 2010 03:17 PM         

That is some wedding chart. I think I know what you mean by the happy part. Was there a tremendous amount of sexual activity in those few days? It's either that or a lot of arguing or both sex and arguing. It also looks like there was some serious power struggles in terms of your home life or something. I'm trying to find the pattern in the chart that shows that the marriage only lasted a few days. How many days did it last? I'm gonna see if I can figure it out before I see your response.

posted June 15, 2010 03:21 PM         

His mars was opposite my venus.

and when we met... Transit Uranus was conjunct his mars and opposite my venus.

The whole relationship for me was just sex. Sex all day and only sex lol.

posted June 15, 2010 03:43 PM         

Well, I haven't reinstalled my professional astrological software yet so I can't check out the exact Tertiary Progressions. Astro.com will only let you calculate that one month at a time, however when I checked the TP Moon and Mars, it leads me to believe that your marriages definitely ended before the month was out.

posted June 15, 2010 03:46 PM         

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That is some wedding chart. I think I know what you mean by the happy part. Was there a tremendous amount of sexual activity in those few days? It's either that or a lot of arguing or both sex and arguing. It also looks like there was some serious power struggles in terms of your home life or something

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Its such a long story but I guess it lasted 2 days. We did try and resolve things but I quickly got over him and everything else not long after.

At the time I was 20 and my mum had kicked me out of home 6 months earlier. The whole time she never rang me or cared what I was doing and who I was living with until I came home the day I got married to pick up my clothes and the rest of my belongings she seen my wedding certificate on the dashboard of my car and went crazy (not that she was sane to begin with) She somehow found his house and tried to assault his mum and sister and rang the police saying that he's 10 years older than me and that I didn't know what I was doing when I married him.

Anyways the same night we were on our honeymoon when she rang me and lied to me and told me that he has Hepatitis and had been married and had kids before. When I told him what my mum said he got angry and instead of trusting him I believed my mum and I said I was leaving in the middle of the night and he hit me for the first time.

I went straight to the airport and rang my mum who pretended to save me from it all and she got my ticket back to Sydney. I came home and found out she lied about everything and that she only said it so I would leave him cause "she" didn't like him ( but she never had a problem with us dating) .. she kicked me out of home 1 week later again and I found out I was pregnant with twins. Maybe it was hormones or what I don't know but when he called me back i went back to him and he was really happy that I was pregnant but I woke up one morning which was approx 26 days later after getting married and I had an abortion and left him. I ignored his calls for 3 years and only spoke to him then in 2007 when i applied for a divorce.

We got along so well. Honestly we never had any issues but I guess that marriage chart was really bad and it changed our relationship almost immediately.

posted June 15, 2010 03:58 PM         

The chart has aries ascendant.

posted June 15, 2010 04:26 PM         

It makes even more sense with the Aries Ascendant because Mars rules the Ascendant and Mars is so stressed in this chart, it's all about sex, violence, power struggle - and Mom is right there in the mix. She's the Sun which is ruling the 4th House of home issues (and represents mother) she did everything she could to persuade you to leave him. Pluto is pressure and persuasion.

But in reality, your marriage lasted until the divorce happened. That's 3 years, give or take a few months. And notice how Saturn=Moon/Venus. That's not a good midpoint picture to have either.

Was the marriage completely dissolved between 2007 and 2008?

posted June 15, 2010 04:34 PM         

We divorced religiously the second day. In my religion which is muslim when you say "your divorced" 3 times it's over. I'm not sure if that would count.

posted June 15, 2010 04:40 PM         

Venus in Scorpio, Venus suggests relationships and Scorpio suggests secretiveness, the underbelly of...hmm...life, the swamp, the sewer, obsession...BUT it can also be the highest of heights, but I think the risks are really great. The love can be profound but once again, it all depends on the measurements and also what each partner wants from a relationship. It needs to be strongly considered.

I know many people who wouldn't mind having Venus in Scorpio in their marriage because they can truly handle it.

posted June 16, 2010 08:31 AM         

Wow! Thank you so much for your responses!!! Not 100% what I wanted to hear unfortunately but there you go haha!!!!!

I'm afraid it's really going to be a case of making it work for us as August of 2012 is really the only possible time for us to marry (taking into account money issues, school holidays and the like). Nothing is set in stone yet, so we have a little scope but some of those aspects aren't going to go away, like the Mars-Saturn conjunction. Perhaps moving the time would change the conflict to an easier house?! (And PS Geocosmic, about the Neptune opposition - weirdly enough, my partner works in the film and television industry)!!!

I have looked at perhaps moving the date to either the 11th or 12th August instead. It wouldn't get rid of some of those nasty aspects, but I do know that there is a grand trine on both of those days which might help soften the blow!!! The 11th is easier logistically, but has a the moon squared with Neptune, which aint great. By the 12th, the moon has moved out of the way at least. Neptune is not aspected to the Sun on either of these days, which is good.

I have also moved the time to 14:30, which gives a fixed Scorpio ascendant (something that SgittariusMC suggested would help)!

Here are the charts for those days instead as posted on photobucket (thanks DD for the reminder)! ;p