posted July 28, 2010 03:48 PM         

i was deeply immersed studying this,since i saw IQ´s thread about the asteroids that pertain the darkest asteroids.

If you know a certain person,that you dont fully trust,someone with whom you had an awful/traumatic relationship with ( romantic or not),certainly that you will find patterns,within the darker archetypes of the asteroids.

Of course,as Peri said,they also have positive things about them,but as you´re studying the charts having in mind issues like: manipulation,control,abusive power over you,traumatic experiences,emotional/physical abuse/,blackmail, sexual abuse.etc....

i can only conclude that,the darker energy overcame the more positive one,on which relates to the asteroids you+re working with.

If you didnt had any relationship with the person yet,but you feel that "something is off",that is also a good way for you to study the interconection of the charts,and prevent some possible future traumatic event for you.

IQ has some very important things to say pertaining the Nessus/Dejanira/Pluto triad for example:

"Harsh NESSUS aspects are present in each and every sexual serial killer's charts.

The most dangerous aspect for a woman is NESSUS exactly square her Venus or Dejanira, she has the maximum chances of being assaulted by someone she trusts.

Pornstars or prostitutes who love their job, they too may have Nessus afflictions to Sun, Eros, Lust, Amor or Valentine.

It is very difficult for a guy who has Nessus exact square Mars in Scorpio to control his sexual desire for abusive sex, even in relatoinships, especially if his Saturn or Mercury is also retrograde. An Ixion affliction along with Nessus affliction makes things very difficult.

Ladies without Aries in their chart who have Pisces Moons or Moon in 6th, it is wise to check for a Nessus affliction before full fledged dating.

Advice after a recent true incident: Never ever date a Pisces or Scorpio guy whose Nessus exactly conjuncts your Ascendant [less than 1 degree orb]. Its a recipe for disaster. He will physically, emotionally or even Astrally abuse you when you least expect it.

In Synastry, these are the main Nessus red flags, 1.5 degree orbs max:
Guys Nessus conj Girl's Ascendant
Nessus square Venus/Dejanira/Moon
Nessus conj/square Saturn or Sun"

posted July 28, 2010 03:59 PM         

i might be being parcial ( that is a common thing for me,a Libra girl who only puts Love above all else in relationships) but...!

Days ago i started seeing a pattern,when i was studying the charts of myself/John my Bf/His brother-C.

The person C - i studied his chart times ago.i started out of curiosity but ten things got really complicated and i started to feel that he was kinf of a " vampire" that sucked my energy,everytime i was with him.

as im long-distance,fortunately i maintain a healthy distance,but i cannot stand that person more than half an hour,and i become physically nauseous sometimes.

IQ and DD also helped me,and after i saw what Lexx said about his Aura,my suspicious was true: he is a emotional/mentally unstable person,highly volatile in temper,and prone to violence.

Till now,that violence is more based on emotional/psychological one: manipulation,control games,thirst of power obviously directed specially towards the family,extreme jealousy and selfishness,and absolute no care for those who love him.

So,if he is like that with his own people,imagine how he is with the outside world,myself included. he is the type of man socially charming,convinced of his extreme charisma ( i call it"james bond syndrome") and if someone doesnt show that fascination torwards him,then you are his ENEMY!call me...Nemesis then ....

So,right now he is trying to get control over everyone,specially including me and my bf:he doenst want me to be there,without having him around us. So he does everything in his power to get attention,and be the "worl´ds wictim" if we dont play along.

His extreme sensibility on what others feel,makes him highly prone to manipulate them ( he is a phsychologist working in marketing field).

The thing i discovered,with IQ and DD was that,probably he,me and john met in previous times,and that he had a darker life,hurted me deeply and my loved ones ( dont know if deathly) and JOhn suffered too ( John did something that or killed,of injured C).

posted July 28, 2010 04:25 PM         

Oura/Yours Asteroid Names
5143 Heracles ( what´s raw in us,violent action)
7066 nessus
157 Dejanira
16 Psyche
14827 Hypnos ( the person always seems to have an hypnotic trait to use against others)
4227 Kaali
1912 Anubis
2629 Rudra
1930 Lucifer
149 Medusa
128 Nemesis
-IXION
-SEDNA
-ORCUS
-ERIS
(added by Glaucus)
55555 DNA ( just cause what matters most is always conected to the DNA code)

they all are about dark archetypes which i suppose to figure strongly in these type of people ( withe the darker side more developed than the positive one).

C-S CHART

- NEP cj ASC in Sag,12th,(12th ruled by Scorpio)
- NEP squares Venus(ruler 10th &5th)
- NEP square Jup(ruler asc)
- NEP sq his Name Asteroid.
- SAT(ruler 2nd of emocional security) squares Moon/ruler 8th) and Mec(ruler 9th) and Uranus( co-ruler 3rd) and Kiron
- KIRON placed 4th opose moon/merc/uranus
- VENUS cj DNA in 10th with Sun/Nemesis cj in Virgo!

- NEMESIS cj SUn ( He is his worst enemy?).

- MARS(ruler 4th) cj Pluto(ruler 11th&12th)cj MC

-MARS SQ NESSUS/ANUBIS nad OPOSES DEJANIRA. PLUTO OPOSES DEJANIRA too..

( tHIS ONE talks about his need of violence in sex probably...which misdirected can be dnagerous...)

- Pluto cj Moon/Mars & squares MEDUSA!
- DNA/Name Asteroid sq Neptune,NN,Kaali,Kaali,ASC,and trines Lucifer

This tells me he is very at ease with the darker side of Lucifer....

-LUCIFER sq HERACLES,Trine Sun

- His DEJANIRA CJ IC.SemiSq Lucifer and Kikx Proserpina.
- ANUBIS wide cj MEDUSA in the 1st ( probably showing the darker need of deceiving others through charisma/image)?

- ANUBIS sq Mars/Nemesis.semisq Lilith
- MEDUSA sq Mars/Lilith

(OF NOTE...ANUBIS cj MYNAME ASTEROID in his chart.....)!

- PSYCHE oposes hypnos/Rudra and trines mars/pluto/Nemesis/MC - so see..he uses his psyche in his favor through powerful plutonian,martian energies...

(NOTE:Pyshce squares MY NAME ASTEROID)

- LILITH trine Moon/Merc/Kaali-so he is very aware of the Lilithian energies/coupled them wiht the Kaali Ones/Moon/and also in his way of relating to others

- KAALI is right on his DSC 17ºGEM. KAALI/KARMA cj his SOUTH NODE.

KAALI trines MOON/MERC/LILITH!opose NN.SQUARES DNA/NEMESIS...this one might hint something important too

- his MARS/PLUTO sqaures my NAME ASTEROID/NESSUS/ANUBIS/MEDUSA!

- his SUN/NEMESIS sq my Name Ast/ASC/Kaali...so he sees me as an Enemy,and with Kaali there,probably it´s not good..

- his RUDRA/HYPNOS 2/4LEO 8TH..oposes pyshce/semisq Kaali

- His NESSUS not only sq Mars.Opose ANUBIS.BUT SemiSQ HERACLES!

-LUCIFER 5th trine his Sun. Sq my bf´s name asteroid and Osiris / guess this one talks about a dark complex of heroic figure/tied to my bf too.

( NOTE: MY bf+s name asteroid1 sq his NEP/NN/OSIRS ( i knew Osiris would be here,,he is extremely jealous/envy of my bf. also my BF NAME ASTEROID2 sq his LUCIFER & semisq Nessus & kikx his RUDRA...)

So...1st check out how the asteroids play in the chart of the person,and then how they play out with yours.

IN this case,the person C has many hard aspects between the myths that are co-related ( see all that nessus/mars/dejanira/heracles that IQ referred)

See how nothing is a coincidence!

posted July 28, 2010 04:33 PM         

Nessus only makes a square to Saturn.

posted July 28, 2010 05:05 PM         

I must check out if I have any enemie.

my hypnos 11,48 in cancer conj thelepus 11,32
sextile my merk/uran/pluto in virgo
sextile my DNA/osiris in taurus.
trine my karma 13/dejanira 11 in scorpio

wooow I have the capacity to hypnotize people through my thoughts I love it. Lucky I'm a kind-hearted person.

posted July 28, 2010 05:28 PM         

Psyche is the word that means "soul"

the symbolism of Psyche and Eros/Cupid being together
is that the soul and love in unity and become as one or that love is the energy that powers the soul or that love is the energy of the soul.

I have Sun in Scorpio sextile Psyche in Virgo in 12th with 5 minutes of arc. I also have Moon oppose Psyche within 3 degree orb.

also Hypnos is an asteroid named after the Greek God of Sleep
His Roman equivalent was Somnus.

the word, hypnosis is a word that stems from hypnos

I also don't see how DNA is a dark asteroid
that could merely stand for DNA as in the genetic code
I have DNA oppose/conjunct my Midheaven/Imum Coeli with a few minutes of arc and squares my Ascendant/Descendant axis.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 05:35 PM         

MY NEMESIS 23 conj my DRAConic valentine 25/ siva 25/ ixion 25. I shiver....

posted July 28, 2010 05:35 PM         

Dejanira is at 24 Gemini conjunct my Chiron, opposite my Mars (20 Sag) and conjunct my ASC (27 Gem). I know Pandora is also around there... I think at 24 Gem too. Hypnos is interesting too because it's at 29 Gem, opposite my Saturn/Uranus conjunction at 29 Sag and square my Venus/Wisdom at 29 Pisces, and of course conjunct my ASC at 27 Gem. I suppose that's an interesting trait to have.

posted July 28, 2010 05:45 PM         

exactly
not just the objects that were listed on the thread

btw

might as well add transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Ixion to the mix

Ixion was a dark character in Greek mythology. He was a Lapith King.
He was known as the first mortal commit murder in mythology. He killed his father in law to avoid a dowry. No mortal would purify of his crime. Zeus agreed to purify Ixion.
Ixion betrayed Zeus' hospitality and trust by coming onto Hera who told Zeus about Ixion.
Zeus tested Ixion by making a fake Hera out of cloud named Nephele. Ixion mated with it, and then he bragged about being with Hera.
Zeus had Hermes take Ixion to Tartarus (Greek version of Hell) and had him bound on fiery wheel to spin forever.

From Ixion and Nephele's union, came Centaurs who mated with a mare and that led to the centaur race

2001 KX76 plutino (object that has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto does) was named Ixion.

all plutinos are named after characters associated with the Underworld.

but yeah.....I'd think Ixion should added to the list of the "dark" minor planets.

I have Sun conjunct Ixion with only 5 minutes of arc, and my Moon trines it.

When Ixion was discovered, it was thought to be over 1000 km in diameter. It was thought to be the first object that astronomers found that was larger than Ceres which is over 900 km in diamter. Some years later, it was found that Ixion was actually smaller. It just had a high albedo which made it brighter which can give off the impression that it was larger than it was.

The first minor planet that was found to be larger than Ceres was Quaoar which was discovered in 2002. Quaoar is over 1,000 km in diameter.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 06:05 PM         

C-CHART WITH MINE

his ASC cj His NAME ASTEROID IN MY CHART.
his URANUS cj my DNA/PLUTO/SATURN
His PROSERPINA/ANGEl cj my KAAL/anubis/Medusa
his NEPTUNE cj my jup/uranus
his MEDUSA/ANUBIS cj my IC.....
his KAALI/KARMA cj my NN ( What a karma..!)
his DNA/Venus/NAME ASTEROID cj my Nemesis

his NEMESIS/PLUTO/MARS/MC cj my ASC/MERC( any doubts here?...)
his ANNA ( my name) cj my URANUS/Jup
his PSYCHE cj my LUCIFER

his IC cj my DSC! WHY?Because..he has IC cj Dejanira!!!!

HIs NESSUS cj my DEJANIRA!!!

hiS HERACLES cj my Mars/Valentine/Karma..and widely my NESSUS!

And my Heracles cj his Dejanira so...what sick twist is this one????

his IXION cj my KAALi/Anubis....

his LUCIFER cj my MOON
his NESSUS cj my bfs asteroid in my CHART!!!

DRACONICS - SHOW pastLife history

his NESSUS cj my IC
HIS NESSUS sq my LUCIF/KARMA & opose HERACLES
his OSIRIS CJ my Ann/Kiron
hsi psyche cj my nessus/mars
his Kiron cj my medusa/anubis/saturn/pluto
his anubis/medusa cj my RUDRA
his SUN/NEMESIS cj my DC
his kaali cj my neptune
His ANUBIS cj my MC/Dejanira
his LUCIFER cj my Proserpina
hIS pLUT/MARS cj my Heracles

HIS DEJANIRA opose my HERACLES

(His D.Kiron cj my mars/valentin/Nessus. His D.LUCIFER cj my SUN!.D.KAALI/KARMA CJ MY ASC!D.ANUBIS cj my PHOLUS/VERTEX.D.DEJANIRA CJ MY UNION/Destinn/ANGEL....D.HERACLES cj my PROPERPINA....!...)look his D.ASC cj my DSC...

REGULAR COMPOSITE

- uranus/ruler IC on asc oposing KIRON!
- Anubis/Medusa sq venu/mars/kaali
- LILITH on IC cj Osiris!sq uranus/kiron & KIkunkx KAALI/JONNH
- Venus cj mars cj SATURN in 10th.ALL SQUARED BY MEDUSA.
--sun cj nemesis cj NN in 10th .ALL SQUARED BY NEPTUNE.
- LUCIFER CJ SOUTH NODE....CJ DNA....
- KAALI Kikx Lucifer...squares ANUBIS/DEJANIRA/PROSERPINA...NICE!!anD HERACLES kikx Ascendant...

- JOHNPAUL CJ NESSUS CJ RUDRA cj KARMA! in 9th kikx osiris/psych & semisq mars/saturn-all this squars this person NAME ASTEROID!

- JONNHY cj LUCIFER!opose NN!

NOTE that my bf´s name asteroid is closely cj the two dark archetypes of LUCIFER/NESSUS/RUDRA!!

posted July 28, 2010 06:19 PM         

i know everything in this world has its own POLARITY!but in terms of this thread,i want specifically to focus on the dark influences,get it?

Psyche is really important.Why? Because like Amowls wisely said,if someone has their Nessus or lucifer over your Psyche....you´re already seeing the picture isnt it_?

ALSO DNA IS A KEY HERE.Why? Because the deepest influence will be tied with our DNA´S.the asteroids cj DNA of a person will be really deeply connected into our Code,or also by hard aspect i think its important to see if the person has some dark archetype connected to our DNA.

to me makes sense,if doenst make for anyone here,everyone is free not to enter.

Popcorn

i will post the numbers to each asteroid.

wEll,as i said above,i posted the ones i though important,for example Hynos is all about "hypnotic capacity" or psyche is our "soul" so imagine if the other person is hitting you hardly in those asteroids of yours,with a lucifer,a nessus or a heracles...we would call you "WHYAMMY" if there´s too many of them,werent you agree?

Missa

well im not really the expert,IQ or DD oR ORBM might know better than me.

i would focus so much on our natals,if we dont feel we have such an obscure behaviour within ourselves,that might hurt of cause suffering in others,through traumatic situations caused by us.
im more inclined to see the sinastry and if ur own intuition can sense,in a person,their deepest darkest energies,the ones that they have developed in a conscious way,to purposely cause pain in others.

AMOWLS

yes,im giong to post it.it ´s really creepy!i found mucj more than what i would suspect.....

Glaucus

posted July 28, 2010 06:37 PM         

Eris is a transneptunian dwarf planet that is larger than Pluto, and it is named after the Goddess of Discord. How can anybody overlook that object as a dark object?

I'd also include Orcus.
Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's a plutino for it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto does. Its named after the Etruscan God of the Underworld. It's the Etruscan counterpart of Pluto. The God was known for punishing mortals that didn't keep their oaths. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus

Sedna is a transneptunian dwarf planet. It's a detached object that has the greatest average distance of objects in our solar system......so "Out There" Its mythology is very dark and tragic even though Sedna was not a dark figure per se.
She is also not just the Inuit Goddess of the Sea/Oceans, but she is also the ruler of the Underworld called Adlivun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28mythology%29

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 06:40 PM         

Really?....remember that all this are only influences...these doesnt MAKE US ACT,if we dont want to.we have Free Will,and the violence/suffering/abuse only takes place if the person puts himself in the abuser theme,and if he chooses someone that unconsciously puts herself in the victim theme.

IQ would know better how these can take place from a karmic perspective too,there can be some soul contract going on between the two souls,on which they accorded certain events to take place,from a Higher Sel´f level.

but thats another story.

the most important thing to ask yourself is if you feel the urge/fantasy sometimes to somehow "abuse" your partner whether its emotionally,psychological or physically.

sorry for being blunt,but sometimes we doestn even know what we carry inside of us,at our deepest level.

posted July 28, 2010 06:46 PM         

maybe it could be great intense sex!

also

here are positives of Nessus that Philip Sedgwick wrote. Try focus on those and don't focus on the negatives.

Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 06:55 PM         

we have ours so "nicely" put:

- sun cj mars cj saturn 12th sq Karma/Neptune
- mars/ruler dsc cj ASC cj Merc/ruler 12th
- Pluto square Nessus
- Anubis square Lucifer!
- Moon cj Lucifer square ANUBIS!
- kaali cj North Node!
- NESSUS SQUARE PLUTO/C-NAME AST/DEJANIRA---see here again the nessus/Dejanira theme!!

posted July 29, 2010 07:10 AM         

Do you think that with the aspects above,you can see cleared about what might have happened in the Past with me,John and this Person?

posted July 29, 2010 07:29 AM         

Diana,
Girl's Dejanira conj Guy's Venus means he will really like her vulnerability and the sense of him being more powerful than her. Its a harmless aspect.

Amowls,
Yes, it is quite useful to consider Lucifer as a "Devils Advocate" Asteroid.

posted July 29, 2010 07:44 AM         

in my Draconic chart i have MC/Dejanira/JphmPaul cj C´Persona D.Anubis/Anna

my D.saturn/pluto/anubis cj his D.kiron

MY D.NEPT cj his D.karma/DSC

My D.IC cj his D.Nessus

My D.mc/pLUT/MARS cj hiS jOHHNY

his D.ANUBIS/NESSUS sq my JOhnny/Hannah/ASC

D.DEjanira opose my D.Joohny

there´s a lot here and in present charts....i dont know if im be able to forgive. i dont know how much he caused suffering/pain in us in the Past,but i really know he´s tearing apart John+s peace of Mind in this life,and that for me,is very hard to forgive.

posted July 29, 2010 07:48 AM         

somethings have come into my head, but i hate them, i have as a rule a mind where unwanted thoughts can without any control of my own, pop into my head, and i dispel them with my feelings. (its OCD like)

i love her dearly, and i would give her up before i ever see myself doing anything bausive to her, making her unhappy.

iQ, its her mars square my Nessus, and my Nessus squre her Dejanira.

her Dejanira is in Gemini, my Nessus is in virgo, in the 3rd house. and her Dejanira is in the 12th i believe. her mars in the 6th.

as for bad aspects, my saturn opposes her ASC along with my neptune, and her venus is square them both.

i have definitely played out saturn in our relationship, it isnt easy to avoid it. my saturn is afflicted in my chart quite hard too.

as for neptune, iv been more honest with her than anyone else in my life.

she has on the other hand deceived me more! (her neptune squares her venus and opposes her asc natally.)

as for good aspects, we have mutual reception of venus moon.

(my moon conjunct her venus 1 orb, her moon trine my venus by 3 orb).

alot of trines, sun-uranus, sun-saturn, mars-sun, jupiter - sun, a grand trine formed between oru charts (my sun in leo trine her juptier in aries/mars in sag)

venus oppose venus, sun oppose sun.

the other hard aspect that probably isnt good is my ASC square her pluto, i hope however my pluto trine her ASC kind of helps ease the trust.

posted July 31, 2010 03:59 PM         

By being aware of this,we can also protect ourselves and have a better understanding of why something like this happen to us.

from a karmic perspective,i believe that we always come here again and again to evolve,to become better persons.And to resolved the issues that were left undone in the PAST,WITH these type of people,and other ones.

but its also my belief that these type of "physic vampires" often do not want to change,and do not want to let go of their need of power and controlling others.
they might indeed come from a place of fear,but its up to them to chose to become better,and start to grow up like human beings,full of good potencial.

right now,ive started all of this to understand this situation im in,but each one of you can also study your charts,and learn to know the people who have higher probability of sucking your energy out,making you feel bad or with no Life Force.

it was through the Draconics that i discovered that this person C probably if not killed,made lot of harm to my bf and me:

With my Bf:

C´S D.ANUBIS cj Js ´D.ASC (this to me clearly says what happened)

C´S D.NESSUS cj J´s DSC
C´S D.IC/DEJANIRA cj J´S LUCIFER
C´s D.LUCIFER cj J´s natal DNA(again Lord of evil over John´s Life) and sesquisuare J´s D.Nessus
C´s D.Name Asteroid cj J´s Neptune(idealization). Square J´s D.NN & Kikx DNA/Lucifer
C´s D.DNA cj J´s natal Osiris/Isis/Juno
C´s D.KAALI/KARMA cj J´s natal ASC ( again the pattern of death from this person torwards John´s Life)
C´s D.KARMA cj J´s natal DSC 0º
C´s D.KARMA/KAALI semisq J´s D.DEJANIRA (here i see the obvious inocence and naive thought/behaviour torwards this person,he doesnt see how much is manipulated,controlled and harmed by this person,all his life)

C´s D.ANUBIS cj J´s natal MC(again Anubis over John´s axis)
C´s D.PROSERPINA square J´s D.Dejanira
C´s D.proserpina opose J´s natal KAALI
C´s D.DEJANIRA square J´s Nessus/Heracles/ASC
C´s D.dEJANIRA cj Js natal ASC
C´s D.HERACLES opose J´s Kiron & square J´s Draco Mars

C´s D.NESSUS trine J´s D.Venus/square Saturn/Pluto/C Name asteroid.
C´s D. NESSUS cj John´s natal IC

NOTE OF THE PERSON C HAS NESSUS over John+s IC and my IC also!

COMPOSITE

-C-NAME ASTEROID(cj CPErson Pluto) cj ASC cj Sun
-PLUTO in 1st cj MERCURY Cj PROSERPINA ( so comunication is opressed by manipulation powers,controlled with some jealousy here in the exchange of energies.Square Jupiter/ruler 3rd and Nessus.So,regarding the surroundings,siblings,comunication itself,there are some intense powerfull stuff to handle.

- HERACLES Cj Anubis/URANUS in the 2nd.Semisq sun and squares LUCIFER in 10th.I dont like to see the Anubis attached with the instability of uranus here,which rules the 5th.and its squared by Evil Lucifer

- Neptune is cj Moon in 3rd.this one obvous because the emotional bond that John has ( being a cancer=)clouds his own perception with illusions of neptune.regards siblings of course. this is squared by Venus(ruler asc/8th)adn kikx Nessus,with no surprise.

- Jupiter cj IC the only good thing i see.however it s squared by Pluto,ruler of 2nd.there is always problems pertaining money and security.C-person has enormous jealousy over J. and trys to get through him with plutonian energy.he manages always to get into J´s deepest core.

- Dejanira sq neptune/Moon 3rd.oposes DNA/VENUS/in the 12th.

- KIRon in the 8th with opose to Anubis/Heracles.Squares Lucifer

- KARMA 8Th trines sun/nn.bUT IT CONJUNCTS ALGOL AND cj John´s natal Kiron

- NESSUS cj KAALIin the 10th.Squares Pluto/proserpina and trines anubis/Dejanira!

posted July 31, 2010 04:13 PM         

"A HEN IS SCRATCHING FOR HER CHICKS"

Pointless searching where there is no nourishment left. Fussing around. Not letting people grow up and take responsibility for themselves. definately true!

"VENETIAN GONDOLIERS IN A SERENADE"

Romantic fantasy. Emotional manipulation.
: Insincere charade masking what's really going on.Saying what others want to hear in order to get the right response from them

-LUCIFER(cj C-Person HERACLES) squares ANUBIS/KIRON/URANUS/HERACLES.!! sEMISQ NODE.

SABYAN of composite ASC:

"A BLAZING FIREPLACE IN A DESERTED HOME"

Security and comfort left behind. Wood for burning and heating. Gas and electricity. Holiday homes, or homes that are rarely visited.: A sense of isolation, separation, abandonment, and bitterness. Sabotage by or of loved ones and family. Being forced out of the home, possibly for social reasons

This is John...at 17yr old he was forced to leave home,to live in a room with no food,because of his brother,His parents preferred to have his 27yr old brother at home,to live with the gf in JOhn´s room.

SABYAN OF MOON/NEPTUNE

"SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP LOOKING FOR FOOD"

This pictures a situation of dependence and sometimes co-dependence. Don't look to others or have others look to you for opportunities and nourishment, for you may miss your chance of being creative and independent. Waiting for things to be given for free. Being opportunistic. ...this is the C-PERSON!

SABYAN OF DESCENDANT 7ARIES

"A WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY THE EAST WIND"

Only accepting solutions that satisfy selfish or social needs. Insincerity and easily blown around---this is C-PERSON,he has his IC/DEJANIRA AT 7ARIES.

SABYAN of MC ( the public persona of the Relationship)

"A CLOWN IS CARICATURING WELL-KNOWN PERSONALITIES"

someone is not 'being real', using masks to hide what's really going on Or playing the fool when the situation needs a more serious response.
Exaggerated responses. Wanting to entertain. Show business. Putting on a face. Making fun of people.
The Caution: Being foolish in the face of positive possibilities. Trying to cover up one's true self or one's mistakes through buffoonery.....this is cj Jonh´s Node

SABYAN LUCIFER

"A PAGEANT MOVING ALONG A STREET PACKED WITH PEOPLE "

Ostentatious displays of egocentric achievements. Blowing your own trumpet. Closing off areas of one's life, overplaying other areas. Feeling like sardines in a can with no room to move.-..it´s C-Person Heracles

SABYAN OF DNA

"A POWERFUL STATESMAN OVERCOMES A STATE OF POLITICAL HYSTERIA"

: Misusing charismatic energy to sway others to personal advantage.....C´person venus/name asteroid are in this degree

SABYAN VENUS

"A SWIMMING RACE"

You may find yourself in competition over emotional issues or working your way through shared emotions and hoping to win, or to come out on top.Looking sideways to see how others are coping with the strain of competition. Competing with one's emotions. Wanting to be first at everything.
Allowing the competitive spirit to dominate emotional sensitivity. Always going for "the win".....IT´S C-Person DNA....

SABYAN NORTH NODE

"ARISTOCRATIC ELDERLY LADIES DRINKING AFTERNOON TEA IN A WEALTHY HOME "

Social exclusivity and smugness. Idle gossip. Expecting others to do the hard grind----THIS is C-Person Sun.