posted January 25, 2011 12:05 AM            

I also have Pluto in the 7th, so its especially hard on me...

The one thing though I dont have over possisive boyfriends.. I have learned from this and can spot them a mile away..

I have this.. Its something to read about
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The real danger with this one is a negative manifestation of the psychological Law of Correspondence:

1) Psychic Magnetic Attraction (like attracts like, or complement draws the matching complement) will bring those who match what is unresolved deep within you.
2) Projection -the tendency to project the past (dynamic with a previous partner) onto a present partner.
3) Transfiguration- negative self thoughts, beliefs deep within yourself will enter your partner's subconscious mind through psychic entanglement in an intimate relationship, and these thoughts will transfigurate their words or behavior. Example: if you feel "not good enough" deep down inside, your partner may end up telling you that you are "not good enough" even though they didn't believe it initially.

Venus sq. Pluto is very similar to having Venus in Scorpio and the lesson (and related traps) is the same -to learn what love really is. It is not passion or having needs met, and the feelings associated with such should not be confused with "loving" another.
Self-awareness of one's tendencies, setting clear boundaries, and honest, open communication with a partner can do much to defuse negative effects. With awareness, the Plutonian power can be channeled into positive transformation through love or learning to really love another.

Venus square Pluto: Ever been fixated on someone you knew wasn’t good for you? I thought so. This aspect brings passion and obsession. Fortunately, it can also make you magnetically attractive.

-Rae Orion

Venus Square Pluto

When you love, you love with energy and passion. You value personal contact, cutting through all the externals and getting to the heart of things. You understand and appreciate vulnerability and have no compunction about presenting your own sensitive spots to others. You enjoy working behind the scenes, getting at secret and hidden areas of the mind and psyche. Changes and transformative experiences are where you like to be most.

-Chaos Cookbook

VENUS and PLUTO

ADVERSE ASPECTS Reversals in love; attachments broken. Strong sexual feelings, but sex relationships cause difficulties.

-Joanna Martine Woolfolk

Venus Square (challenging) Pluto

At a very deep level your whole idea of what love is and is not is having to go through a major process of transformation. Your love nature [by sign] has taken on the task of bringing into the light the most fearsome, ugly and taboo-ridden aspects of human nature -in yourself and others. This is challenging indeed, and it is therefore not surprising that your love life is cratered with crises of no mean magnitude. Can you still love in the face of death; be it the death of a cherished ideal, a social norm, or of love or a loved one?

These pressures to transform and reach a deeper sense of involvement with life are hampered by your possibly unconscious desire to keep the peace and have a pleasant lifestyle. Ironically though, it is just these predilections that draw you to someone who changes your life for you. The issue is really one of you being challenged to use your grace and charm to facilitate that transformation. There is something darkly but beautifully compelling about you or anything that you have created. So rather than being afraid of wwhat you might lose, concentrate on what you have to give.

-Lyn Birkbeck

-53 Square Venus - Pluto

In an attempt to control the outcome of a love relationship, or the loved one's feelings, you can turn to manipulative games. Even if you do "succeed" at it, there is never a feeling that you've won someone over for who you are, and this feeds a vicious cycle that you should try to avoid getting yourself into. Your feelings are intense, and even extreme, when it comes to love. You might attract intense relationships that have love-hate themes as a result. You are passionate when you love, definitely, but also passionate when you hate. You easily put pressure on your partner, as you expect much loyalty and honesty in your intimate relationships. Be careful not to let your relationships get to a point where your partner is superfluous and you are working through your own inner demons through him or her. Certainly, you will learn much about yourself through your relationships, and you may not always like what you see. You will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner. Letting go of a relationship can be hard for you to do, especially if Venus is in a fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius).

-Cafe Cookbook

Venus square or opposition Pluto

You are capable of being a great manipulator and are often caught up trying to make things appear a certain way. You are the one who suffers from this tendency the most. You tend to get tied down to a pattern of endless repetition in relationships. You have difficulty in letting go even when a situation is painful. You are always dealing with people as symbols of others who are not even present. Love and power become confused with one another. You have a deeply lodged need to establish your sense of self worth. Once this is secure you can overcome your fear of being dissolved in a relationship built on equality and will start having more normal interactions. You need to be less concerned with how you appear to others and more concerned with how you are. -- Interpretation sample from the Indra (In-Depth Profile) report.

#Your sexual intensity can lead you into all the wrong kinds of relationships. With a bit of judgment however, that very intensity can set you and your partner on the path of creative expression, and can stimulate bursts of spiritual consciousness. Allow time in between to integrate your experiences. From the Your Spiritual Path report.

~You are more aware of love's burdens than its bliss. You do want a permanent, growing love relationship, but you seem to attract the type of people who aren't willing to give as much as you need. With time you will learn the positive meanings of love, which will be all the more precious to you because you already know the pains. One of the things you may become more aware of as you experience love is that your relationships reflect your own inner turmoil; as soon as you start respecting yourself as you are now, you will find that you attract a giving, loving person more easily. Marriage could occur out of a strong need for financial and emotional security. Some of your love affairs could be secret ones, possibly with married persons. An intense love affair for which you are forced to give your all could bring about a transformation.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusplutoaspects.html

Venus square Pluto

A square forms between Venus and Pluto suggesting that your emotional life is subject to many problems. Many of these relate to sex. This aspect causes intense emotional and sexual involvements, and sometimes this can be with very debasing influences. In extreme cases, this aspect shows involvement with prostitution or other sex related crimes or rituals. Sexual passions are hard to control and properly direct, and romantic ties are in some way fated. It may be any benefit you receive is always accompanied with some negative side effect. What you want and seek is often not what you need, and obtaining the objective or object creates ill effects. Life is full of upheavals and upsets in domestic and professional affairs. There is a need to be more honest and less patronizing with people. Don't make promises unless you intend to keep them. This aspect must be controlled by the free will.
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/aspects-venus.html

Venus square or opposition Pluto

The square and opposition add even more conflict to this already volatile combination. You may be famous for choosing the wrong partner and then becoming utterly obsessed with this ill-fated love. Your friends and your lovers may lose patience with your unfettered intensity.

It can be said that at times you are manipulative and overly attached not only to people but also to outcomes, neither of which you can control. You also may unintentionally use people to act out your own unrecognized internal dramas, much to the dismay of those unfortunate enough to be caught in the wake. While young or immature, you may seem insatiable, unreasonable and tumultuous. With time, temperance and self-awareness you can learn to see yourself and others with clarity. All that emotional energy can then be redirected into works of great, passionate creativity that will earn you the fascination you’ve always aimed for but not received. When you’ve learned to nurture and respect yourself you will create a love that is equally giving and loving, and all that intensity can reside in the bedroom instead of tearing your heart apart.
http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2007/01/venus-pluto-and-you.html/

Venus in Square, Quincunx, Opposition to Pluto

Emotional and sexual experiences are intense to say the least. This aspect can attract karmic involvement in which you and/or the other person feel a kind of "bondage" to each other that can be difficult to break out of even when you know the relationship is over. Beware of subtle control and manipulation issues in relationships. With this aspect in your chart, there is little middle of the road where love and money are concerned.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsvenus.htm

Venus square Pluto

You may resent displays of intense emotion or too much personal probing, trying to avoid sensitive issues. While you are probably fascinated by personal secrets, deep feelings and expressions of passion, you also want to keep things pleasantly superficial and comfortable and keep your own secrets safely out of sight. A possessive or intrusive lover could make you uneasy, and some difficult choices have to be made regarding what level of depth and vulnerability you are willing to accept and reciprocate. You may have a fear of intimacy.
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Venus_Aspects.html

Venus Square Pluto: Your romances are usually karmic or predestined and you may have secret love affairs. Sexual passions may be so overwhelming they're difficult to control or properly direct. Psychological inhibitions may also prevent positive expression of your sexuality. These intense emotional and sexual relationships can have a debasing influence. Try to maintain high standards for yourself. Social conditions can interfere with your happiness and fulfillment. You can desire material wealth so much that you may marry for money or use sex to gain money. You make many demands on your partner and vice versa. You're always looking for the ideal love and/or career. You must learn to compromise. You can be very inspired and creative. Financial problems are due to risky over-investment.
http://www.oocities.com/rbltre/astro/veaspl.html

Venus square Pluto

With Venus square Pluto, you have difficulty curbing your desires in relationships. You can be manipulative in your quest to have your desires fulfilled, particularly sexual and financial desires. You need to learn moderation.
http://astrolibrary.org/aspects-venus.html

Venus-Pluto

All Venus aspects to Pluto bring indulging intensity in your relationships and love life.

In lots of cases jealousy and possessiveness mark the relationship. Love unions may have cobweb-like traits, resulting in unhealthy and devastating entanglements. Both planets blended together may denote a huge fear of rejection, often resulting in clingy and sticky behavior (either from the native or from the partner). You may get easily absorbed by other people and may not be able to let go, denoting that you may be influenced by "the other" (the more so if the aspect is exact).

Eating disorders are not uncommon with the exact aspects, often resulting in issues about weight.

Also, relationships tend to change over and over from love into hate, hot into (ice-)cold. Any Venus aspect to Pluto creates a guilty feeling towards the love union.
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/venus-aspects.html

VENUS SQUARE PLUTO - The square to Venus from Pluto will have a deep and powerful effect on your personal relationships. You will find that any benefits you gain from a relationship will be accompanied by some kind of suffering, and that what you want is often not what you need, thus ensuring periodic crises and painful breaks in your emotional life. You will have a deep need to be the one in control in your relationships, to be the one who calls the shots, and if you attract someone of like mind your relationship could become a constant power battle until one of you decides to call it a day, preferably yourself. If, on the other hand, you attract someone of a more passive disposition who is prepared to put up with your tendency to dominate and get your own way, you could soon become bored and start to look for someone with a little more "fight". Either way, you will probably find yourself attracted to people who would be considered taboo, or "not the right sort" according to the values of your culture and upbringing.

posted January 25, 2011 12:46 AM            

A new perspective on love really helps. Not believing so much in absolutes and going with the transformative flow of Pluto instead of using him as The Great Manipulator, tying in Venus' beautiful powers for "evil", so to speak. A live and let live mentality incorporated into your life is so important. No one wins when anyone has "the upper hand", so there's no point in striving for a false sense of power. Truthfully, I don't believe I have yet to conquer the aspect.. but I'm slowly getting there.

posted January 25, 2011 01:45 AM            

The square and opposition add even more conflict to this already volatile combination. You may be famous for choosing the wrong partner and then becoming utterly obsessed with this ill-fated love. Your friends and your lovers may lose patience with your unfettered intensity.

It can be said that at times you are manipulative and overly attached not only to people but also to outcomes, neither of which you can control. You also may unintentionally use people to act out your own unrecognized internal dramas, much to the dismay of those unfortunate enough to be caught in the wake. While young or immature, you may seem insatiable, unreasonable and tumultuous. With time, temperance and self-awareness you can learn to see yourself and others with clarity. All that emotional energy can then be redirected into works of great, passionate creativity that will earn you the fascination you’ve always aimed for but not received. When you’ve learned to nurture and respect yourself you will create a love that is equally giving and loving, and all that intensity can reside in the bedroom instead of tearing your heart apart. http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2007/01/venus-pluto-and-you.html/

posted January 25, 2011 01:54 AM            

I'm sorry, but that's how I see a lot of these hard aspects.
Why the need for all the conformity.

Esp when you have a luminary or personal planet in hard aspect to an outer planet (Uranus/Neptune/Pluto).
You're just gonna go against the grain.
That's just how it's gonna be!
You're not meant to be 'in step' with your generation/culture/societal expectations.
You're just *not*.
And you're not the only one.

posted January 25, 2011 02:05 AM            

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I get a handle on my square when I interact with Venus/Pluto men
Then you both speak the same language.
Also those with Mars/Pluto.

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I can relate to this!

Venus in Scorpio - and - Mars in Scorpio also make me feel comfortable just being ME.

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Then you realize the rest of the world, that isn't like you, is trying to make you believe that you should be like them.

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posted January 25, 2011 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I once read on a blog (can't remember where exactly..) that Pluto conjunct the Dsc plays out like a Venus Pluto aspect (the Dsc being the 7th house, ruled by Venus). It sounds true to me. But then again, I have 4 planets in Scorpio (including a Mars-Pluto conjunction) so that might explain things.

Anyway. I can totally relate to the love/obsession/power/control issues. Ugh.

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posted January 25, 2011 05:33 PM            

I don't mind the stuff it throws at me but I also have Moon opposition Uranus and I do (and always will) have problems giving both sets of planets what they want, ideally I'll find someone who has the same or similar dynamic and will understand my need to be completely obsessed followed by a period of time where I can be totally aloof and cut off.

posted January 25, 2011 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
dysfunctionalmystic
do you mind divulging a little? how did you overcome the obsessive stuff? if you have? have you found anything that gives you peace in the midst of a Venus/Pluto wave or is more conducive to more peaceful relationships?

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I don't think you can overcome the obsessive side of it but knowing that you are being obsessive helps. I don't act out my obsession anymore and I think that calmed down after the first saturn return, the obsessions weren't the problem it was the fact I had to DO something...like feed it - usually involved lusting after some poor soul that was unprepared. I don't do that anymore, I still obsess but don't chase it, I try to analyse it and look for reasons why I'm being obsessive.

you can never fill the pit of a venus/pluto aspect and accepting this as a fact can help because you stop trying to fill it with anything you can get your hands on.

The strong desires come and go - knowing this helps to ride out the internal storm.

if you're in an obsessive phase try and learn from it....do research on whatever you're obsessed with, if it's a person and you can get hold of their birth chart you can still look at the synastry etc but use it as a self development exercise and play it out internally if nothing is happening in reality because at the very least you'll be constantly improving your understanding.