posted July 25, 2021 08:30 AM            

It's quite a popular trend with Millenials and GenX/Z. They are rebelling against the corporate culture that wants them to work very hard and long hours.

posted July 25, 2021 02:31 PM            

Sometimes I think it's the Capricorn stellulum generation.
The Neptune Capricorn has us growing up idealizing jobs, and that if we get our dream job, we will be in a constant state of bliss.

I feel like it was such an expectation from a lot of families for their millennial children to go college. Because previous generations had it so easy with college. I hate to say it, but I've pretty much observed families expressing their child being a disappointment to them if they don't finish college. Even if the kid expresses preferring a trade...it can put their mother in life crisis mode.

I've seen the bubble burst. People get the degree and find out they dislike their field. Or they can't find a job in their field. Not making the wages they thought they would be making, and taking a retail hell job with massive college debts.

I think people get fed up and get in touch with their Uranus Capricorn.

It's got to be more than just that though.

posted July 25, 2021 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

I think it has more to do with discipline, structure, and supervision of corporations or similar structured jobs.
Maybe, because many people around me have Uranian influence. We just have a problem to fit in a strict and conservative environment. Where you are expected to be a certain way, and to have a little different personality is almost a crime.

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I relate to this a lot! hahaha my whole life I have had issues following dress code rules (it started at catholic private schools with uniforms).

I am 37 and still have issues with this LOL. I want to show my personality with how I dress, I feel the workforce wants you to hide who you are and comply and it starts with controlling how you dress. Is like the workforce feels uncomfortable with attractiveness and femininity and wants you to look androgynous and unattractive, god forbid someone finds you attractive while you are doing your job! LOL, I get there are limits of course, I am not going to show up at work showing half my cleavage and like I am going clubbing or to a strip club.

I also don't like pretending for the sake of social expectations and professionalism. I am over all of it, I am just going to be myself and stand by my truth, you either get it or you don't.

VENUS conjunct MARS trine AC in Saggy
Chart ruler Uranus conjunct JUPITER in Saggy exact

posted July 25, 2021 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Great topic!
I am a millennial. I love that the "younger" generations are being more vocal about such matters.

Sometimes I think it's the Capricorn stellulum generation.
The Neptune Capricorn has us growing up idealizing jobs, and that if we get our dream job, we will be in a constant state of bliss.

I feel like it was such an expectation from a lot of families for their millennial children to go college. Because previous generations had it so easy with college. I hate to say it, but I've pretty much observed families expressing their child being a disappointment to them if they don't finish college. Even if the kid expresses preferring a trade...it can put their mother in life crisis mode.

I've seen the bubble burst. People get the degree and find out they dislike their field. Or they can't find a job in their field. Not making the wages they thought they would be making, and taking a retail hell job with massive college debts.

I think people get fed up and get in touch with their Uranus Capricorn.

It's got to be more than just that though.

I think you are on to something with some of the big planets being in Aquarius and Pisces. Lots of breakthroughs for humanity.

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Interesting insight about the Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn generation. I had not thought about that generational aspect.

posted July 25, 2021 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Interesting insight about the Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn generation. I had not thought about that generational aspect.

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posted July 25, 2021 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I don't think this is a recent thing, I am 37 and have been hearing this concept since I was a kid. If you work doing something that aligns with your values, interests and strengths then you are more likely to enjoy to some extent the work you are doing and we work 40 hours a week so you might as well do something you don't hate.

Now I will agree that there are people that don't take what they do seriously, you might as well take pride in doing a good job bc you are not getting that time back so you might as well value your time and make the most of it and I think this is were we run into problems. Even if you don't have your dream job is up to you if you are going to enjoy your job and make the most of the time you spend working.

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I see... I understood the expression differently.

Q: what is your dream job?
A: I don't dream of labor.

To me it means the person is saying any work is labor and they don't even have a dream job because they are not interested in working, even if they are forced to work due to financial needs.

Pisces is the sign opposite to the sign of work, Virgo, so that is why I thought about Jupiter and Neptune in Pisces, opposite hard working Virgo, in addition to the Nodes in Gemini being squared to Virgo too.

I thought it was a funny quip, but maybe i am mistaking the intent and meaning.

posted July 25, 2021 04:38 PM            

My second cousins born in 1992 and 95. Their mom told them what they will be doing with their life after HS.
And it was an epic fail. They bombed their classes and skipped. It took them a while to find their own way. Their mom was like "the medical field is a secure booming field. That's what my girls will do."

I hope this is not too off topic. But I think some people don't go for what fits them better due to family pressures.

I remember being in upper elementary, and kids my age would say stuff like "my family says I'm going to this college"

I also have a friend(1989) who wanted to be a hair dresser. And her mom told her it was an unacceptable career choice. So she is not doing it, while she will do it on the side once in a while.

It just seems to bite people involved in the arse when there is pressure with the child who will be an adult soon getting very little say.

I'm kind of glad. My parents didn't act like that with my sister and I. Because when we went to college it was because we wanted to.
Though it would of been nice if our parents educated us more about college as an option. LOL

These are interesting times for sure! So many places are short staffed right now. It kind of makes me want to sit with some popcorn and see how it unfolds.

posted July 25, 2021 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I see... I understood the expression differently.

Q: what is your dream job?
A: I don't dream of labor.

To me it means the person is saying work is labor and they don't even have a dream job because they are not interested in working.

I thought it was a funny quip, but maybe i am mistaking the intent and meaning.

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Thanks for clarifying! I missed that.

posted July 25, 2021 05:35 PM            

I can see how the stellulum in Cappy has played a role in my life.
Plus Pluto and Uranus are in my big 3 of most active planets in my chart. And Capricorn and Aquarius are the most active signs in my chart. (Scorpio too but sort of irrelevant right now)

Lots of job dreams early on. Artist, ballerina....then I got the musical theater bug. That's what I wanted to do!

I loved preschool and kindergarten. Then first grade happened and I was slow at math and science and reading...and that's when my academic self esteem started to go down the sh!++er. I could not read well until 5th grade. I did not get long multiplication until I was in 6th grade. I could go on.
So I just felt like I was getting strong messages that this college thing that all these suburbanites are hyped up about is just not for me.

But I loved doing theater, and I felt like school was a waste of my time and getting in the way of me doing more theater. I was seriously hoping I would get a lucky break and could drop out of HS.
But then I experienced bad burnout when I was 16. My hormones were really kicking in and I kind of just started to want a normal life.

I decided I wanted to do something w/ more stability...that would fit my personality type. I was rebelling very hard. I had nothing planned post high school. I just stayed out late. If I wanted to go out to a hooka hang out, I would return bottles my parents had so I would have enough money that night.

I was so bad to the point where my mom told me to take a community college placement test. But that was the day I was going to meet my favorite music group at the time, and get pictures taken with them for some subculture magazine. I was so mad my mom signed me up for that w/o asking. I did not give a flying sh!+. I felt like my mom pushing me into community college was a waste of my time. On the day I was meeting a rap duo. Just further pushed me away from getting my life on track. I got a really low score. And did not care. And went to meet the rap duo I liked. This is where I met a guy that would be my boyfriend for like 10 months.
I was like nope mom and dad, I'm going to move in with this guy I've known for 2 months.
I eventually got a job cleaning. That was not a good relationship, and when they wanted to promote me to cleaning toilets with out a raise...that's when they college thing clicked with me.

I even took a career exploration community college class. And I liked it!

Overall college was a more positive experience for me than 1st-12th grade! I felt much more freedom with college.

I also have two degrees with zero debt. The unfair thing though is, my sister always wanted to conform and go to college. My parents would not pay for her when she went to University.

But since I showed such little interest early in college early on, and was more than happy to do nothing with my life for quite some time. My parents paid for my classes until I was old enough to be independent from my parents and get pell grants. (my sister says damn I should of just acted like I didn't want to go to college to get mine paid for. Mom helps pay off her debt now though)
When I went for my bachelors I was super motivated and I went to a University since Community does not do bachelor degrees. The pell grants would pay for one class. And I would pay for the other out of pocket.
Just in time for my first Saturn return in the 9th house. I finally felt like an academic person. I earned A's in all of my classes.

posted July 25, 2021 07:27 PM            

I don't feel like any of this is particularly new though. These thoughts have been common enough for at least a couple decades now, in people both older and younger than me.

Don't know what the astrological influence might be though...

posted July 25, 2021 07:55 PM            

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Personally I've gone the route of loving my job. My parents (one early gen-X, one late baby boomer) are both from working class backgrounds, no college or university on either side of my family... no high school even, if I understand american education levels correctly. There were absolutely no expectations from our parents regarding our education or future careers. Neither of them liked or got good grades in school, and they didn't expect us to be any different I guess. So they were kind of surprised when my brother and I both did well and enjoyed school. I ended up being the first in my family to pursue a higher education. I just went to university because I enjoyed learning though, I didn't have any ambitions. I studied a variety of things without any goal in mind... In the end I tied it all together with a master's in Library Science and became a librarian. I honestly love going to work, because it doesn't feel like a job.

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posted July 25, 2021 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thanks for clarifying! I missed that.

Well yes that fantasy that we don't have to work, I mean it sounds nice but society would collapse, reliability and consistency and dependability would go out the door and we would have a shortage of everything..

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True.

Also in the past year, many people have been getting paid just to stay home in the form of unemployment checks and covid relief stimulus. Businesses have a hard time finding workers because it is more profitable for workers to stay home and receive government assistance. I think all this may have contributed to the idea that if one can avoid working and still get paid, that's the life!

That being said, I don't blame them for not wanting to be a slave to the 9 to 5 grind. If someone can become an entrepreneur and generate income or marry rich and not have to work, I am all for it! But I am not too keen on the idea that you are going to stay home and continue collecting checks while the rest of us are paying taxes.

posted July 25, 2021 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I relate to this a lot! hahaha my whole life I have had issues following dress code rules (it started at catholic private schools with uniforms).

I am 37 and still have issues with this LOL. I want to show my personality with how I dress, I feel the workforce wants you to hide who you are and comply and it starts with controlling how you dress. Is like the workforce feels uncomfortable with attractiveness and femininity and wants you to look androgynous and unattractive, god forbid someone finds you attractive while you are doing your job! LOL, I get there are limits of course, I am not going to show up at work showing half my cleavage and like I am going clubbing or to a strip club.

I also don't like pretending for the sake of social expectations and professionalism. I am over all of it, I am just going to be myself and stand by my truth, you either get it or you don't.

VENUS conjunct MARS trine AC in Saggy
Chart ruler Uranus conjunct JUPITER in Saggy exact

I will also admit that people that dye their hair blue, green, purple, pink don't impress me, I think it looks bad and I feel they do it to stick out and try to be different, I say actually be different, they are just copying a stereotype IMO. I do keep that to myself, I am not going to tell you in your face I don't like your hair bc is your body and you can do whatever you want with it, is not my place.

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Many places don’t want you to stand out in any way. They just want a drone.
I see it goes both ways. Dressing and looking too good is bad, but if you’re trying to be comfortable and don’t care much is bad also (I’m not talking about dressing up as a punk or homeless here, or disregarding your responsibility. ) Just not to kissing somebody arses is enough to become Unfavorites.
There’s an expectation to be like everybody, average.

I got judged for something like I didn’t want to stay late or work different hours because I have yoga classes . Well, I didn’t sign to devote my whole life to that job. Maybe, I could do it for the other what has more meaning to me.

posted July 25, 2021 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I see... I understood the expression differently.

Q: what is your dream job?
A: I don't dream of labor.

To me it means the person is saying any work is labor and they don't even have a dream job because they are not interested in working, even if they are forced to work due to financial needs.

Pisces is the sign opposite to the sign of work, Virgo, so that is why I thought about Jupiter and Neptune in Pisces, opposite hard working Virgo, in addition to the Nodes in Gemini being squared to Virgo too.

I thought it was a funny quip, but maybe i am mistaking the intent and meaning.

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posted July 25, 2021 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Many places don’t want you to stand out in any way. They just want a drone.
I see it goes both ways. Dressing and looking too good is bad, but if you’re trying to be comfortable and don’t care much is bad also (I’m not talking about dressing up as a punk or homeless here, or disregarding your responsibility. ) Just not to kissing somebody arses is enough to become Unfavorites.
There’s an expectation to be like everybody, average.

I got judged for something like I didn’t want to stay late or work different hours because I have yoga classes . Well, I didn’t sign to devote my whole life to that job. Maybe, I could do it for the other what has more meaning to me.

Also, my Aqua humor or way of expressions could be challenging for some people. I could say something like I’m here because I’m bored at home. For some reasons, I found out people didn’t understand these jokes.
It’s like I attract people who are narrow-minded, and I need to have a sign with me “before you get judging or jealous, read a book about sense of humor”
I have hard Jupiter and Uranus so I might be too out of the box lol

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Exactly! I hear you and relate to what you are saying.

Your joke "I am here because I am bored at home" cracked me up girl! and is so authentic that joke, its real and funny and I can relate to it too!

If I want to wear black leggings or jeans to work it should not be a big deal, you can wear both and still look nice, presentable, and even elegant.

posted July 25, 2021 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

I disagree it means millennials don’t want to work at all. I see this quote as they want more creative, meaningful, flexible jobs, not just a labor to make money and punch clocks as their parents. I heard many millennials left serious regular, even well-paid jobs to become freelancers, fitness trainers, entrepreneurs, find their paths. What resonates with Aqua and Pisces.
Virgo just have a trouble to recognize it as work.

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posted July 25, 2021 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Exactly! I hear you and relate to what you are saying.

Your joke "I am here because I am bored at home" cracked me up girl! and is so authentic that joke, its real and funny and I can relate to it too!

If I want to wear black leggings or jeans to work it should not be a big deal, you can wear both and still look nice, presentable, and even elegant.

I am just over black slacks but need to go get some black pants of course LOL, also wearing a top that is feminine and slightly sexy is not a big deal either, I don't have to completely mask my femininity bc it makes god knows uncomfortable. I like being girly.

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😊 Being girly and fun doesn’t make you less professional, but unfortunately not everybody see it this way.
I had an employer said me directly that she hates flowers so her employee should go without this pattern. What is a big red flag of somebody who seeing employees as her property, not individuals.

Indeed, Aqua talk😊 My progressed moon in Aqua + transit Uranus so I’m learning to be ok with not fitting in, being different.

posted July 25, 2021 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
😊 Being girly and fun doesn’t make you less professional, but unfortunately not everybody see it this way.
I had an employer said me directly that she hates flowers so her employee should go without this pattern. What is a big red flag of somebody who seeing employees as her property, not individuals.

Indeed, Aqua talk😊 My progressed moon in Aqua + transit Uranus so I’m learning to be ok with not fitting in, being different.

I have Virgo also. I meant stereotypical Virgo opposing of Pisces qualities as Belage said who likes traditional hard mental work and a strict schedule

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posted July 25, 2021 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

Okay, but then instead of replying, I don't dream of labor, they could just answer: My dream job is a creative, meaningful, flexible job, because that is the question that is asked, what is your dream job?

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posted July 25, 2021 11:57 PM            

People can all follow the dress codes and have their own styles. What a concept! :P We can choose to cover our legs with jeans, khakis, corduroys, slacks, skirts, dress, leggings, tights, etc.

The ladies I work with are fine, but I had to assure them that I am not buying these "nice clothes" people just give them to me.

But when I do shop, I mainly get clothes that can be worn on day off or day on to keep things easy these days.

Yes people have expressed being bothered by me dressing feminine, or cooperate. But when did teachers dressing "nice" become an issue?

The only person bothered by me dressing frumpy is my husband, he just kind of makes fun of of me since I don't dress that way a lot.

posted July 26, 2021 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Girl you are the bomb!!!!!!!!!

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