posted March 19, 2012 05:21 AM            

or both?

i have..

Pluto 0'17 Sco retro
AC 0'57 Sco
square Moon 2'29 Leo

Moon square Pluto(Haydn Paul)

Intimate relationships may be difficult, with emotions intense and extreme. An atmosphere of emotional brooding may surround you; and others may prefer to withdraw as they sense elemental danger.

Needs for control influence choices and actions; you believe your environment and emotions need controlling to avoid 'threats' from others. This increases your preference for relationship dominance, often demanding that others acquiesce to your desires and wishes, yet this will inevitably imbalance relationships. You intend to rule, and will never willingly be submissive. If forced to do so by partner or employer, you will later try to undermine their dominance by subversive efforts to regain control. You can react almost violently toward anyone trying to change you, and may deliberately act in more extreme ways when displaying the behaviour that another hopes to change.

You are a natural loner, impatient and potentially aggressive in attitude unless carefully controlled and moderated. Self-expression is often direct, with a style lacking in social graces and diplomacy, sometimes abrasive and brusque, especially with those you do not respect. This can create work and social problems; but these do not particularly bother you, as you prefer to be true to yourself. What you do need is to retain self-integrity and discover how to maintain a positive relationship with others.

You hate feeling restricted, and chaffe against any imprisoning bonds, even if these were self-imposed for reasons which existed at the time. You are ambivalent toward the past, and often want to forget it as having little relevance; at other times, you display an attachment to it, attempting to reinvoke it. At least you know the past; the future sometimes scares you, stirring uneasy feelings, especially as this cannot be controlled.

You may find difficulty dealing with powerful feelings of destructive energy, an urge to smash and break down obstacles that prevent you from enjoying freedom. This inner state generates tensions and pressures which you control and repress, afraid that, if unleashed at an appropriate time, much damage could be caused. It can be hard for others to understand how this sensation of destructive emotional energy shapes and restricts you. You also find it difficult to discover how to release this energy constructively; but it is essential that relationship conflicts be reduced. You may often force issues, releasing this energy in confrontations which create sudden and dramatic life changes, despite intending this simply to release inner pressures which increase whenever you feel as if you are not in control. Your tendency is to explode - or to implode - to stimulate a necessary transformation that can create space for changes to occur.

You need to trust more - your family, intimate partners, and others. Try tocommunicate your feelings and diffulties so that others can help you to release them less abrasively. Compromise is essential; the world does not revolve around your needs and desires, and living together requires mutual benefit and support. Redirecting self-preoccupation toward helping others could become a way for emotional intensity to flow safely outward, reducing inner pressure.

A deeper self-understanding, perhaps through courses and study in psychology,occultism, meditation, and self-exploration, would benefit you considerably, and give insight into the energies and levels of consciousness which create the complexity of the human personality.

Moon square Pluto (Robert Pelletier)

With Moon square Pluto, you are a deep-feeling person who finds it difficult to let go of the past. You are apprehensive about the future and often withdraw defensively.Early parental conditioning may have been responsible for the way you anticipate danger as you face life's problems. Perhaps the relationship with your parents was strained; you felt rejected because you could not discern the love behind their discipline.

You tend to be a loner, but when you do relate to others you often force yourself on them. The result is that they become intolerant of your demanding nature. You expect others to make adjustments to satisfy your expectations of them. You have a lot to learn about human nature; until you do, you may suffer defeat and emotional anxiety. Try to examine situations intellectually and judge them fairly.

Emotional responsibility tends to be a burden. You want to enjoy the pleasures of love without having any limitations imposed on you. With your ardent nature you are inclined to form close but temporary ties based on physical expression.

You are an extremist in your relationships, and you need to learn the art of tender loving care. You must give others the opportunity to show they care for you without forcibly extracting this response from them. If you can modify your rather negative attitude, both you and your partner can derive mutual excitement and reward.

You should seek occupations involving the public so you can observe how people deal with one another. Learn to compromise when it will help you reach your goals. Recommended fields include rehabilitation and physical therapy, welfare programs,social security, or any occupation that helps the disadvantaged to reconstruct their lives in spite of severe limitations. As you assist others, you will realize how useful you can be when motivated by a concern for others. If you can redirect your self-preoccupation toward others, you will be enriched more than you know.

To stay in good health, you must occasionally unwind and get away from it all. Problems may develop in the generative organs, and you should have periodic check-ups, if only to keep your mind free of anxiety.

posted March 19, 2012 06:44 AM            

The first image that comes to my mind is that of Joaquin Phoenix cos he is so intense. The stare, the eyebrows... I always associate thick brows with scorpio heavy individuals..

Ok, sorry, irrelevant to topic...

posted March 19, 2012 06:56 AM            

I think it's important to remember just how powerful the human mind is, in a general sense - we all have power in one realm or another, how it is used is a choice.

posted March 19, 2012 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
What's on your ASC is part of you, so I'd expect *you* to play out these energies, not others. I have a friend who has Pluto in the 1st and she's not manipulative, it's just that she's very perceptive and can see through people and their actions. Very observant and intuitive. And you can definitely notice her when she enters a room! (loud and not quiet, which is unusual for Plutonians).

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ya cannot be hitmen lol! people would be suspicious immediately.

do u look like 1? the bette davis eyes and the other actress on librarising.com who also looks like her but i forget is what i associate with sun and rising in scorpio. not all the time but in some shots they can look that way.

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
Oh, by the way, sand, are you sure you have a Scorpio ASC? Cause it's at 0�, so it may be Libra? But either way, your Pluto would conjunct it

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pretty sure! do i come off as 1 to u? could be my h7 sun and venus but i have no libra in me otherwise.

posted March 19, 2012 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I wanna comment on your Scopio Pluto on ascendant for the longest time...

The first image that comes to my mind is that of Joaquin Phoenix cos he is so intense. The stare, the eyebrows... I always associate thick brows with scorpio heavy individuals..

Ok, sorry, irrelevant to topic...

Nope, I dun think you are easily bullied but u prob make ppl feel uncomfortable.

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haha really? does urs conj asc too?

he does seem like a broody fellow. i am not sure if i see myself that way. kinda hard to tell your own vibe and online is h3 i read. oh ya haha i have an eyebrow, singular lol!

posted March 19, 2012 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
haha really? does urs conj asc too?

he does seem like a broody fellow. i am not sure if i see myself that way. kinda hard to tell your own vibe and online is h3 i read. oh ya haha i have an eyebrow, singular lol!

uncomfortable, hmm maybe when i don't talk which is often coz i have no air too hehe! i try not to play up the pluto ever since i learned past sun sign astro..

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Ney, I am not as intense as you.
My Ascendant is @ Libra 3'56, Mars is @ Libra 10'36, Pluto is @ Libra 19'13, Lilith is @ Libra 12'47.

posted March 19, 2012 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:

do u look like 1? the bette davis eyes and the other actress on librarising.com who also looks like her but i forget is what i associate with sun and rising in scorpio. not all the time but in some shots they can look that way.

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No, not at all.
I don't have the Scorpio look.
I have red hair, small brown eyes and light skin.

posted March 19, 2012 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:

Yep, I think so too... maybe when you dun talk, w/o meaning to, you probably look intense. Have anyone ever commented that when you dun smile, you look kinda intimidating?

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posted March 19, 2012 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Have anyone ever commented that when you dun smile, you look kinda intimidating?

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well my fourth grade teachers used to tell my parents at the conferences that i scare her coz i give her evil eyebrows when i am reprimanded.

posted March 19, 2012 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I have pluto conj asc, and I think it's basically a choice to use or abuse personal power wherever it comes from.

I think it's important to remember just how powerful the human mind is, in a general sense - we all have power in one realm or another, how it is used is a choice.

I have been manipulative in my younger years because I have always had a good grasp of human nature and in certain situations I had to be manipulative to protect myself, but at the same time, the power to manipulate, we could say, comes purely from intuition and deep observation, which is neutral energy, depending on how it is used.

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posted March 19, 2012 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
I think I read something similar about Capricorn ASC/Saturn in the 1st; but theirs is a more serious than intimidating look, I guess.

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oh i have saturn in 1st too. lucky me!

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:

No, not at all.
I don't have the Scorpio look.
I have red hair, small brown eyes and light skin.

But then again, I don't have a Scorpio ASC or a Pluto ASC aspect so that's probably why, even though my ASC ruler is indeed in Scorpio.

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soo ur d cute type? like rachel mcadams?

merc in scorpio..

posted March 19, 2012 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
well my fourth grade teachers used to tell my parents at the conferences that i scare her coz i give her evil eyebrows when i am reprimanded.

in high school too and in college my gf would say i scare her guy classmates who i am good friends with now lol! but then alot in my year are scorpio dominant as well so i dunno maybe the risers are abit more "scary".

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posted March 20, 2012 04:10 AM            

iv looked into it before and seems very mixed responses..

"I've read somewhere that the ascendant person can be manipulated (for good or bad) to change or be under the control of the Pluto person. This interaction validates Pluto and strengthens teh ascendant. It's transformational, could be power/control issues or sexual ties or both. Possibly a soul mate indicator?" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017418.html

posted March 20, 2012 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I knew it!!! I told you I got that Joaquin Phoenix image whenever you mentioned you have Scorpio Pluto on Ascendant. I think at the 0 degree, perhaphs more intense too cos it is the earliest degree so the "force of Scorpio" is more prominant compared to later degrees?

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peeped his chart. mars dominant in scorpio. sun,mars,venus all conjunct in scorpio. no birth time tho. his brother is listed often as scorpio rising.

posted March 21, 2012 05:48 AM            

Pluto here usually holds it's self aloof distant. Other people may comment that there seems to be more going on below the surface that is being shown. but of course you may need to solicit opinions here..

posted March 21, 2012 05:54 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
soo ur d cute type? like rachel mcadams?

merc in scorpio..

u hav a similar chart to someone i am fond of as well.

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Haha not exactly, I'm pretty average.

posted March 21, 2012 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
with pluto conj Asc, I have a friend whose son has this and he had to be 'resuscitated' at birth, which is a life and death matter.

Pluto here usually holds it's self aloof distant. Other people may comment that there seems to be more going on below the surface that is being shown. but of course you may need to solicit opinions here..

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posted March 21, 2012 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
Haha not exactly, I'm pretty average.

Oh! Then go for it, boy! Make a move

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woosh! hehe kidding!

no silly! we are true plutonic friends that is all. plus i iz kinda seeing someone in my vague taurus style.. a cancer and an aries sun.

also not very similar now that i know ur chart more. just rising, sun, venus, merc.. i think.

posted March 21, 2012 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
woosh! hehe kidding!

no silly! we are true plutonic friends that is all. plus i iz kinda seeing someone in my vague taurus style.. a cancer and an aries sun.

also not very similar now that i know ur chart more. just rising, sun, venus, merc.. i think.

was ur friend a taurus with scorpio rising?

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Oh I see!
Hopefully you'll get what you want, not easy whith that Moon Venus square, eh? But hey maybe Mert is right, seeing more than one person at a time may be the solution for you guys. As long as you're being honest with them

Oh no, he was a Cancer Sun, and probably Capricorn rising. But he had the same Moon, Venus and Pluto placements and aspects.

posted March 21, 2012 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
Oh I see!
Hopefully you'll get what you want, not easy whith that Moon Venus square, eh? But hey maybe Mert is right, seeing more than one person at a time may be the solution for you guys. As long as you're being honest with them

Oh no, he was a Cancer Sun, and probably Capricorn rising. But he had the same Moon, Venus and Pluto placements and aspects.

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