posted March 16, 2012 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
have sun and uranus (ruler of my mc) in 29 (leo and gemini respectively). the sun is conj sat in the 4th. pluto conj IC from the 3rd--it was as if my father were dead and it actually wld have been easier if he had been. my mother's moon in cap so saturn about her too. sat planet of oriental appearance--again about the mother?

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I don't see your personal aspects of sun square uranus and sun conj saturn as *abandonment aspects* either..

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posted March 16, 2012 02:43 PM            

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posted March 16, 2012 02:43 PM
I see the 29th degree as the Frozen degree. One feels one cannot go forward.One feels one foot is in the past and one in the future and immobolized by the present ime
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this certainly resonates but i find that when my 29 leo sun feels trapped, my 29 gemini uranus explodes me "free." if i don't feel loved (leo), i'm gone--even if it's a big material loss although i will eventually re-enter the relationship for purposes of general healing. i feel like i literally escaped a LTR but have reconnected and am good friends with my ex--a friendship that was lost in the marriage.

posted March 16, 2012 05:06 PM            

posted March 16, 2012 04:58 PM
Abandonment issues are usually connected to chiron.=============================

hmmm...will check this out. thanks

posted March 16, 2012 05:27 PM            

chiron is 18 scorp in my 6th. square a troubled ic/mc.

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so chiron in the 6th--how does this relate to family abandonment issues except that i need healing from it. any suggestions for this?

posted March 16, 2012 06:08 PM            

posted March 16, 2012 05:59 PM
You need to show your whole chart. It's normally aspects to personal planets that are the culprits in abandonment issues.
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having trouble posting my chart--actually it doesn't get much more personal that squaring the ic/mc

posted March 16, 2012 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I see the 29th degree as the Frozen degree. One feels one cannot go forward.One feels one foot is in the past and one in the future and immobolized by the present ime

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posted March 17, 2012 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
i'm speaking to the 29th degree not the sun/uranus aspect which isn't a square but a sextile. i have taken many opportunities to overcome the abandonment.

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posted March 17, 2012 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
but my sun and uranus are in exact sexitile not square and pluto is conjunct the ic from the 3rd. do you consider it in the 4th because it is conj the ic? but then what is the energy of the 3rd hse here? is the first another indicator of childhood? hence gemini rules the third and i have gemini rising so that maybe the third is also part of my childhood

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posted March 18, 2012 12:32 AM            

posted March 17, 2012 08:03 PM
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but my sun and uranus are in exact sexitile not square and pluto is conjunct the ic from the 3rd. do you consider it in the 4th because it is conj the ic? but then what is the energy of the 3rd hse here? is the first another indicator of childhood? hence gemini rules the third and i have gemini rising so that maybe the third is also part of my childhood

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not really looking to cookbook astrology for an answer more like a synthesis, or the reading of a gestalt--the whole picture at once.

yes, the 29th degree is a critical degree about endings--i think my tendency has been many times to just end things. i always end up starting all over again because the sense of profound loss has been unsatisfying. so instead of accepting the loss i try to heal the wound and try to find a better resolution--sometimes just coming back to a situation with some freshness. it has been very complicated. it has produced some personal growth but on my own terms. I surprise people because they think i'm too invested to risk as much as i do.

posted March 18, 2012 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
have sun and uranus (ruler of my mc) in 29 (leo and gemini respectively). the sun is conj sat in the 4th. pluto conj IC from the 3rd--it was as if my father were dead and it actually wld have been easier if he had been. my mother's moon in cap so saturn about her too. sat planet of oriental appearance--again about the mother?

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Did you know your 29' is conjunct the biggie Regulus http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14682 http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html http://www.regulus-astrology.com/ http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/fixedstars.html http://www.astrologyinstitute.com/Fixed_star_lessons/lesson_two.htm http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Regulus.html http://www.astrology-central.com/stars/Regulus.htm http://darkstarastrology.com/regulus/

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posted March 18, 2012 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
but my sun and uranus are in exact sexitile not square and pluto is conjunct the ic from the 3rd. do you consider it in the 4th because it is conj the ic? but then what is the energy of the 3rd hse here? is the first another indicator of childhood? hence gemini rules the third and i have gemini rising so that maybe the third is also part of my childhood

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IF gemini rules your 3rd house it CANNOT rule your Ascendant as the same time??

29th degree is NOT a valid astrological explanation for 'abandonment' for this we need to SEE your chart.

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not really looking to cookbook astrology for an answer more like a synthesis, or the reading of a gestalt--the whole picture at once.

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posted March 18, 2012 10:35 AM            

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yes, the 29th degree is a critical degree about endings--i think my tendency has been many times to just end things. i always end up starting all over again because the sense of profound loss has been unsatisfying. so instead of accepting the loss i try to heal the wound and try to find a better resolution--sometimes just coming back to a situation with some freshness. it has been very complicated. it has produced some personal growth but on my own terms. I surprise people because they think i'm too invested to risk as much as i do.

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the ending you discuss are feel are down to your sun/uranus conjunction. I have the square and both are a 'divorce aspect' where relationships can start AND end suddenly.

posted March 18, 2012 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Abandonment issues are usually connected to chiron.

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I agree...

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posted March 18, 2012 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
You need to show your whole chart. It's normally aspects to personal planets that are the culprits in abandonment issues.

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maybe he doesn't know how to post?

posted March 19, 2012 11:23 AM            

cancer is on ny 2nd and 3rd house. i have a scorp-taurus interception 6th/12th.

does the sun/uranus sextile do the same thing as the square. sometimes i feel to thank my lucky stars that i can drop a switch like a hot potato when i realize it's hopeless. there always seems to be an opportunity (sextile) to go to...like an out-stretched hand, if i will take it.

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posted March 18, 2012 10:35 AM
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yes, the 29th degree is a critical degree about endings--i think my tendency has been many times to just end things. i always end up starting all over again because the sense of profound loss has been unsatisfying. so instead of accepting the loss i try to heal the wound and try to find a better resolution--sometimes just coming back to a situation with some freshness. it has been very complicated. it has produced some personal growth but on my own terms. I surprise people because they think i'm too invested to risk as much as i do.
the ending you discuss are feel are down to your sun/uranus conjunction. I have the square and both are a 'divorce aspect' where relationships can start AND end suddenly.
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Do you have any planets in 12th?? or 7th? or 11th ..?
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posted March 19, 2012 11:50 AM            

Did you know your 29' is conjunct the biggie Regulus

yes, i know

posted March 20, 2012 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hskahn:
i'm having trouble posting--if i give you my name and birth info could you do it for me. i go thru the directions w/out luck sorry. incidentally,. i'm a "she" not a "he."

cancer is on ny 2nd and 3rd house. i have a scorp-taurus interception 6th/12th.

does the sun/uranus sextile do the same thing as the square. sometimes i feel to thank my lucky stars that i can drop a switch like a hot potato when i realize it's hopeless. there always seems to be an opportunity (sextile) to go to...like an out-stretched hand, if i will take it.

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Of course this cannot happen with Equal house system (which most on here seem to follow)