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Topic: The Signs of Fame?
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Spellmaster257
Knowflake Posts: 44
From: Irvine, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 12:36 PM
  
Alright. So here's a little disclaimer before I start the official post:I notice a lot of people for some reason, when presented with speculations on fame in the Natal chart, like to use the "Well, I have [blah blah blah] and I'm not famous..." or other neglectfully negating statements. I say neglectfully negating because they usually fail to realize that just as the word 'fame' is subjective (referencing another argument of the typical Devil's advocate) , so are these and other previously presented indicators.
In astrology, in general, I like to apply an old geometry rule - "All squares are rectangles, but not every rectangle is a square." It just makes sense. Not everything is a guarantee - there are other factors/ variables to consider. Always. So, please, like...chill.
Don't get hyped up over this. It is only speculation; and even if it is right, everything has it's exceptions.
Now. Let us begin. 
Possible Astrological Indicators of Fame -The ruler of the midheaven in the 1st house/conjunct the ascendant. -Juno conjunct/in an angular house -ruler of 5th house in 1st house Or this (my favorite, by the way), what I like to call 'The Maze': - it starts with the ruler of the tenth in a house other than the first, this one happening to be ruled by a planet in another house ruled by a planet in another house, and so on, until the ruler of some house (or the sign itself) in this pattern IS INDEED in/on the 1st.
~In the special cases when the "maze" hit a 'dead-end'( the exception to the above indication: where the ruler of the tenth is in another house, and the ruler of that house is in the tenth :/) I noticed the sun was in either conjunction w/Jupiter or Pluto, OR, included in a stellium of planets.
- And finally, although this didn't appear as often, the ruler of the 10th in conjunction with the sun. For the exceptions to all these patterns I've found (and expanded on in some incidents) I suppose they could be explained with an old indicator: the Leo ascendant/midheaven.  I'll post some charts later - I'm at work right now (black Friday is upon us -_-). Feel free to discuss/deliberate/debate! Good day, everyone!!  P.s I found these indicators in nearly all of the 50 celebrity charts I got my hands on....so....yeah.
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a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 12:39 PM
I think moon conjunct MC will do it with fame or notoriety. Either way, the native's private life (moon) will be very public and out in the open.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
Knowflake Posts: 359
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Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 01:16 PM
Damn!!nearly had the maze,ruler of the 10th house is in 4th,ruler of 4th is in 3rd,ruler of 2nd is in 1st,ruler of 1st is in 1st BUT ruler of 3rd is in 4th which broke the maze BUT my sun is in a stellium.Does that count?Juno also conjuncts my ascendant.Ruler of my tenth is also sun,does that count as conjunction to ruler of 10th?I have always wanted to be famous,must be due to my leo midheaven.I didnt quite understand the link between juno and fame.Isnt juno indicator of marriage and type of partner you want?Sorry if I sounded rude,too many questions popped up in my head.IP: Logged |
virgolotus
Knowflake Posts: 658
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Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 01:37 PM
My ruler of the 10th (Sun) is conj Jupiter and Mercury in a stellium in my 11th/10th house. My Sun's ruler (Mercury) is in my 10th house. Juno is conj Mars in my 8th house. Could this be an indicator of fame?IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 1695
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted November 20, 2012 01:47 PM
haha i had none XD
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anonymidarkness
Knowflake Posts: 359
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Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 01:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
haha i had none XD
nobody knows me
Dont worry,you are famous in lindaland,probably the best in interpreting charts . IP: Logged |
Astro keen
Knowflake Posts: 48
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Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 01:56 PM
How many of these do we need to have. Will just 1 do?IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 1695
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted November 20, 2012 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Dont worry,you are famous in lindaland,probably the best in interpreting charts .
you sir...give wonderfull compliments! my leo moon just sparked ^^ thanks a lot (though i dont think i really bet some of the professional experts here) IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 1934
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 20, 2012 02:17 PM
With this theory it would mean that most famous people have first house planets.IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
Knowflake Posts: 403
From: Transylvania
Registered: May 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 04:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
I think moon conjunct MC will do it with fame or notoriety. Either way, the native's private life (moon) will be very public and out in the open.
I can assure you it doesn't work (mine is even in Aries). ^^ quote:
Originally posted by Spellmaster257:
It just makes sense. Not everything is a guarantee - there are other factors/ variables to consider. Always. So, please, like...chill.
Don't get hyped up over this. It is only speculation; and even if it is right, everything has it's exceptions.
True. I have your maze thingy and I'm anything but famous... ^^ some would say: "well, it's not to late - is it... you're still here..." - maybe, but i don't seem to have any interest in fame - maybe i used to when i was young and stupid (more like - very young, sounds to old for 29 ^^)... and not the only one - i presume, now - i just want a simple life and can't even manage that... and that's what it's like to have Moon in Aries - you get to make a fool out of yourself by expressing how you feel at a certain moment, feelings that most people keep private. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 4476
From: Surfing Kite. Seriously.
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 20, 2012 04:50 PM
^ ^True,a big snag.
And not just that,it implies the fame's main factor is core personality,which is,considering we take MC into equations,contradicting.
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a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
True. I have your maze thingy and I'm anything but famous... ^^ some would say: "well, it's not to late - is it... you're still here..." - maybe, but i don't seem to have any interest in fame - maybe i used to when i was young and stupid (more like - very young, sounds to old for 29 ^^)... and not the only one - i presume, now - i just want a simple life and can't even manage that... and that's what it's like to have Moon in Aries - you get to make a fool out of yourself by expressing how you feel at a certain moment, feelings that most people keep private.
you're 29, you don't know. have you been married? divorced? gotten over your 1st saturn's return? had your dirty laundry aired out? well, i have. and I don't have the maze (at least i don't think) nor moon conj mc. c'mon. if you were to say that you're 78 and the "fame" thing didn't happen, fine. but you still have a lot of years so you don't know. IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:19 PM
Anonymidarkness, Juno is not the indicator of marriage partner you want, that is Venus. Juno is the indicator of the marriage partner you will get. There's a stark difference.I have Libra Juno in the 1st house so that's a cardinal sign in a cardinal house. My Juno also conjuncts Pluto. Maybe it means underdog fame? hmmmm... The ruler of my 5th house is in indeed in my 1st (and 2nd). as for the maze... I'm uncertain that I have it.
ruler of 10th --> 6th
rulers of 6th --> 1st and 3rd
ruler of 3rd --> 1st
ruler of 1st --> 9th
ruler of 9th --> 9th My trail's ultimate destination is in the 9th, even though 2 paths went to the 1st house. I don't know if I'll ever be "famous" as I don't care about fame, I only care about money. And yet, I think "fame" has always happened for me, in a small way. I get people coming up to me saying they've seen me here and there and some may know my name, but most don't. However, I'm "known," and when people recognize me, they're quite nice to me and give something. But quite possibly, that could be the beauty of having Jupiter in the 1st house conjunct AC. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
Knowflake Posts: 403
From: Transylvania
Registered: May 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
you're 29, you don't know. have you been married? divorced? gotten over your 1st saturn's return? had your dirty laundry aired out? well, i have. and I don't have the maze (at least i don't think) nor moon conj mc. c'mon. if you were to say that you're 78 and the "fame" thing didn't happen, fine. but you still have a lot of years so you don't know.
...not married, not divorced... and yes, daddy returned - but for some reason... he decided to stick around... . I have the Asc in Cancer - which manifests in MC/Aries - where the Moon is placed... Mc manifests in House 11/Taurus where Mars is placed... which again manifests in House 1 where the ruler Venus is placed. ....10 -> 11 -> 1 -> 10 -> 11 -> 1..... IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:45 PM
You're gonna have to wait and see what happens. Besides, I didn't even answer the Venus Square Saturn thread nor did I start it. Got Gemini? started that thread.IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:47 PM
You're gonna have to wait and see what happens. Besides, I didn't even answer the Venus Square Saturn thread nor did I start it. Got Gemini? started that thread.IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:47 PM
You're gonna have to wait and see what happens. Besides, I didn't even answer the Venus Square Saturn thread nor did I start it. Got Gemini? started that thread.IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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Registered: Mar 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 06:50 PM
Hm. I have ruler of the 5th in the 1st and the Maze: Ruler of 10 in 6th. Ruler of 6th in 2nd. Ruler of 2nd in the 1st, loosely conjunct my ASC.I actually wouldn't want to be famous for any reason. I like my privacy too much. (Luckily, I am not ) IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Hm. I have ruler of the 5th in the 1st and the Maze: Ruler of 10 in 6th. Ruler of 6th in 2nd. Ruler of 2nd in the 1st, loosely conjunct my ASC.I actually wouldn't want to be famous for any reason. I like my privacy too much. (Luckily, I am not )
yes, and isn't the ruler of your 1st, also in your 1st? you'll have to keep us informed later on if fame hits you! IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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Registered: Mar 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
yes, and isn't the ruler of your 1st, also in your 1st? you'll have to keep us informed later on if fame hits you!
Yes, the ruler of my 1st is in the 1st but about 7 degrees away from my ASC though. Oh Lord. Pleeeaaase, no fame for me. My Moon in the 12th couldn't deal. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
Knowflake Posts: 403
From: Transylvania
Registered: May 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
You're gonna have to wait and see what happens. Besides, I didn't even answer the Venus Square Saturn thread nor did I start it. Got Gemini? started that thread.
i confused you with the other one ^^ "fame" can be achieved in more ways than one... and then - there's that thing called "free will" - the chart shows potential, influences - but you can also chose against them... like choosing not to use your natal talents... a natal chart shows a potential fate - not your real fate (the one you chose). IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Yes, the ruler of my 1st is in the 1st but about 7 degrees away from my ASC though.Oh Lord. Pleeeaaase, no fame for me. My Moon in the 12th couldn't deal.
lololololololol that's awesome!!! ruler of the 1st is in the 1st. that's probably gonna produce more fame for you than the ruler of my 9th in my 9th (although, when i was an instructor, i was quite "famous")!! at any rate, when i did the maze, 2 times it lead to the 1st house so who knows, i might get "famous" even if i don't want nor care for it. my 6th house moon is happy sitting in the passenger seat and going for a nice ride! IP: Logged |
sand
Knowflake Posts: 7219
From: Saturn
Registered: May 2011
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posted November 20, 2012 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
I think moon conjunct MC will do it with fame or notoriety. Either way, the native's private life (moon) will be very public and out in the open.
Yet moon would square the ascendant.. So would they actually know the real you? IP: Logged |
a_may_gemini
Knowflake Posts: 229
From: Los Angeles, Calif
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 20, 2012 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
Yet moon would square the ascendant.. So would they actually know the real you?
It's not a matter of "knowing" the "real" person at all. Fame's got nothing to do with depth or intimacy, that's an IC matter. MC is all about the person's reputation as it's the considered the most visible/elevated point in a person's chart. MC is public, whereas, the Moon represents the private. Having a private part of a person next to the most public axis either creates fame or notoriety- either way, stuff gets exposed. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted November 20, 2012 07:52 PM
Paris Hilton, famous for being famous, has none of those.IP: Logged |
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