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auntdahlia
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posted December 21, 2012 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could someone here please tell me titles of some books which can explain the science behind astrology.
Also has it been proven empirically,ever?
I do not want to offend anybody but mass delusions do occur.How do we know if astrology is not one of them?Are we fooling ourselves?
Faith is a beautiful thing but healthy skepticism is necessary too.

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lalalinda
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posted December 21, 2012 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello auntdahlia! Welcome to LL

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posted December 21, 2012 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't found any books on the subject and I think part of that has to do with the fact that astrology is an art which deals with both internal and environmental worlds.

To be fair, there is no scientific proof that our thoughts and feelings exist either, just data which measures electromagnetic and other biological forces. There have been several studies done including the work of Michel Gauquelin or the fairly recent work done by Suzel Fuzeau-Braesch (Jung and Rudyhar are examples of psychologists who studied astrology). If however you are looking for anything supported by the mainstream scientific community, then I think you are out of luck.

As such a relatively unevolved species on the cosmic timeline, I find it funny that we can claim fact or fiction about anything in our universe. We are fresh out of the swamp and everyday scientific "truths" are replaced with new and different "truths" based on new and different perspectives or deeper understanding.

I can only speak from my experience as a relatively sane individual with a good interest in the growth of science and scientific theory. Astrology works for me because I have studied it and understand how (not specifically why) it works. What I can guarantee is any test disproving astrology has been done by people who have never studied the subject. And those who studied it with the intent to disprove it (like Gauquelin) were stripped of credibility after publishing positive findings. I wouldn't ask my plumber to diagnose my health issues, so why would I rely on someone who has never studied astrology to tell me it doesn't work?

Good luck on your search, if you find anything please let us know. =)

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posted December 21, 2012 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will read up on their work.Thanks for the help.
I used to be very dismissive of astrology but everytime i heard Newton was a big supporter i couldn't handle it and began searching for its roots.
And yes,scientific theory does evolve and gets better more often than not.It needs to.its like we are zooming in arduously and continuously on the picture of truth and hopefully someday we will zero in on the ''fundamental laws'',

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posted December 21, 2012 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also,I'm a med student and found a thread on celiac disease and saturnine influence here.
Thats the kind of stuff that makes me iiiitch badly in my head to find some answers,lalalinda

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auntdahlia
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posted December 21, 2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes i know about Jung he was one interesting dude.

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auntdahlia
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posted December 21, 2012 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Off topic here,but i think it was The Tao Of Physics by Fritjof Capra that taught me not to scoff at seemingly mystical stuff like astro.
have you read it?

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posted December 21, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by auntdahlia:
Off topic here,but i think it was The Tao Of Physics by Fritjof Capra that taught me not to scoff at seemingly mystical stuff like astro.
have you read it?

My life is the Tao of physics. LOL

No I haven't but it sounds interesting. I find the health and medical aspect of astrology interesting too. I think the difficulty really lies in an individual's overall life. The stereotypical energies which are attributed to heart disease (for example) can in another person, manifest as a challenge to their loyalty or pride.

When people look at astrology from an external perspective it is easy to see broad spectrums and a little too much room for interpretation, but from an internal perspective, the details are obnoxiously overwhelming. You really can't just call a tree a tree and be accurate. Comprehending it's environment, it's diet, it's history, its species, etc.. are essential parts of knowing what kind of tree it is and why it has evolved the way it has. That is the spirit in which functional astrology thrives. Astrology is very similar to mathematics, it is a system of symbols which represent a specific set of values, those values can be perceived in a subjective way, an objective way, added, subtracted, divided, and multiplied to achieve different results. The only real difference is that mathematical values are numerical and astrological values are essential concepts of functionality.

I think when scientists really research astrology they see our personalities and conditions are essentially mathematical, like the rest of the universe. Personally I am astonished that scientists haven't jumped all over trying to prove astrology.

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auntdahlia
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posted December 21, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right?riiight?! maybe many of them are but aren't disclosing it.u know for fear of losing their reputation.coz its hard to believe.
And interesting explanation.Makes me feel a lot safer.

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posted December 21, 2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 21, 2012 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as we've come, we can't prove astrology one bit, scientifically.

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If however you are looking for anything supported by the mainstream scientific community, then I think you are out of luck.

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auntdahlia
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posted December 22, 2012 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for auntdahlia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I'm not interested in statistics so much but thank you anyway

''There are lies,white lies and statistics!''

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posted December 22, 2012 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've gave up on searching. It's way too much trouble and theres like, no proof at all. Still isn't a Pseudoscience to me, that is!

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Astro keen
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posted December 22, 2012 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karl Popper, greatest philosopher of science of the 20th century, reasoned that a theory should be considered scientific if and only if it is falsifiable. Verifiability, on the other hand, was not a sufficient test. Psychoanalysis failed this test, it couldn't be falsified. Instead it could be used to explain all human behaviour, even contradictory behaviours.

Astrology, like psychoanalysis, seems to be able to show evidence for all sorts of behaviours. For example, if a partnership between two people proves successful and long lasting, one could find evidence for it if one dug deep enough or matched the stars in a particular way. Astrology, as far as I can see, fails the falsifiability criterion.

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posted December 23, 2012 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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