posted May 09, 2011 06:53 PM            

What do you think their role is in the way astrology plays out?

We live in a world where we are a small speck in a very large universe. A world where strange things happen, and a world where people somehow do not believe that strange things can happen here on earth never mind astrology.

Do you think the astrological information that is filtered out to the masses and passed through the ages to be accurate, or do you think that only certain information is allowed to be filtered through?

What I'm asking here is do you think, or to what extent do you believe that the information we have in regard to spiritual and weird matters is controlled by the people we look up to, or even the people who make the laws and decisions in this land?

It doesn't have to be politicians or lawyers, it can be, lets say other worldly influences that is found in secret societies, as these are, by conspiracy theory, the people who control what these politicians say and do.

Is the wrong astrological information sifted out to the public and these astrologers controlled?

It is a subject which predicts things, such as death, birth and important events in life. The people who control this land would not want to give that amount of control to the public at large.

posted May 09, 2011 07:31 PM            

The 1st House in ancient ASTROLOGY is ruled by LEO and the Sun - the source of all light, the center of the solar system. The ASCENDANT represents the personality, the outward expression of an individual to the world and is associated with LEO.

FIRE is the "Element" of the 1st House in the LEO, 1st House system, just like in the ARIES 1st House system. The many similarity's between these two FIRE Signs, LEO and ARIES, probably leads to much of the confusion about 1st House rulership for some. Both ARIES and LEO have very proud ego's as well as both liking attention, being dynamic and energetic. But the difference between "the Self" [LEO] and some greater entity [ARIES - Family or extended Family] is the key personality trait here. "Self" is part of our whole, an essence. There is no "Life" in a dead body; it's just a material object now. The spirit or essence [Self] is gone once somebody's dead. LEO represents the Self not ARIES.

LEO, 1st House-Equal House system is "equal & opposite" to the ZODIAC which is calculated in the plane of Earth's orbit.

Ascendant's represent "the Self" the "outward expression to the world" of our ego [Sun Sign] and are usually different from the Sun Sign. To have both Sun and Ascendant in the same ZODIAC Sign, you must be born near sunrise. When LEO is on the Ascendant, LEO is at it's most dynamic and most obvious. Like Madonna, the LEO, LEO's re-invent themselves regularly. I know a LEO Person, who also has LEO Ascendant. He answers the phone "Joe blow here" and his greeting when calling people on the phone is "this is Joe blow calling". Only a LEO would exhibit this kind of self recognition. People not understand these things might call that individual selfish. Leo is a strong sign, it doesn't think in terms of weak.

To ancient Astrologers knowing the birth time was the most important information they could know about someone. To Ancient ASTROLOGERS that single mathematical calculation, arriving at an Ascendant, the ASTROLOGICAL Sign on the EASTERN horizon at time of birth, proved to be very valuable at describing what personality traits an individual would have. The 1st House represents the Self. The Ascendant is the 1st House cusp.

Because the Head is related to ARIES, in the Aries First House system the Head is also related to the First house.
In the Leo First House system, the Heart is related to the First House because LEO is related to the Heart. Which is more basic to the essence of LIFE, a Heart or a Head. The Heart, right, it's a better fit to have LEO, the Heart, the ruler of the 1st House. LEO represents courage and overcoming fear. LEO's exhibit great courage many times in their lives, living to overcome many a mishap and standing proud because of it. In the "Wizard of Oz", wasn't the lion looking for his courage, his Heart.

When LEO The "King of Beast's" is in it's element is shines like a "star", actually just the SUN.

The most prominent LEO in the world today is Bill Clinton. People talk about his charm, his charisma, his magnetism but call him "Slick Willie". . . Clinton is a typical lovable, charming, regal LEO. . . In person, Clinton is among the most dynamic individuals you will ever see and he is genuine. People can tell that he really cares, like when he spent all that time with the TWA-Flight 800 Family's. LEO's want people to be happy and LEO wants to exert it's influence on others. When people are unhappy in it's midst's, LEO does all it can to cheer these people up and make them happy. LEO goes out of it's way to help people many times, especially if it can do that from it's "position" and make a real difference. Clinton's infamous statement-"I feel your pain" is a fact of Clinton's life. LEO is the extrovert, CANCER is the introvert. LEO is the male principle and the ruler of the 1st House, CANCER is the female principal and the ruler of the 2nd House. These two are pairs male-female and extrovert-introvert.

In conclusion it just makes much better sense when talking about the First House as related to the ASCENDANT and SELF and to have that First House associated with Leo rather than Aries."

http://www.aaarf.net/1st.htm

http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.09.html

posted May 09, 2011 08:05 PM            

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What do you think their role is in the way astrology plays out?

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I guess Nancy Reagan was known to have used astrologers for advising her husband's presidency.

posted May 10, 2011 03:23 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Philosophicaly, and by rational logic, I have concluded there can only be one God, who is split like a white beam of light into many different shades.

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posted May 10, 2011 05:24 AM            

Carl Payne Tobey told this in the 1970s itself that the Theosophists decided to allow some amount of astrology to be taught to initiates but they decided to teach the wrong house systems and wrong house rulers. Later, disinformers were sponsored to debunk astrology and today all the proof that is given by well meaning astrologers will not be acceptable to the masses. Since Beer and Superbowl are more important to the masses than knowing about karma or the elements, the controllers have nothing to fear. They can reveal all the secrets in a mass email. It will get deleted by 99.9999% of the recipients as spam.

The controllers were not able to stop the Indians and Chinese though. Traditional Astrology flourishes here but the problem is in incompetence stemming from ego and over reliance on archaic interpretations made by Upper Castes to keep the lower castes down.

posted May 10, 2011 07:29 AM            

The traditional Indians and Chinese have a "religious belief" in Astrology, and hence they did not succumb to the disinformation that Astrology was false.

Every child born here has a Horoscope Cast. There is no way to stop this. An expert Indian Astrologer just needs to look at the Moon's position in the sky. He can then cast a precise chart [without Uranus, Neptune and Pluto] even if Astrology Software is banned by NWO. These priests have mapped out every Lunar Cycle since antiquity and can "back caluclate" any planetary position using Time, Date and Lunar Position.

There are some experts who see the face and cast the exact chart, some see the Palms and cast the chart. It is amazing, but they do not share this information.

posted May 10, 2011 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
I would say generally the spiritual stuff - obviously related to astrology - is safe enough for the controllers as they won't have anything to fear as long as we stay in ourselves and 'blame' karma for whatever happens to the world around us.

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posted May 10, 2011 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Good topic and thanks WingedLeo for mentioning Tobey.

Carl Payne Tobey told this in the 1970s itself that the Theosophists decided to allow some amount of astrology to be taught to initiates but they decided to teach the wrong house systems and wrong house rulers. Later, disinformers were sponsored to debunk astrology and today all the proof that is given by well meaning astrologers will not be acceptable to the masses. Since Beer and Superbowl are more important to the masses than knowing about karma or the elements, the controllers have nothing to fear. They can reveal all the secrets in a mass email. It will get deleted by 99.9999% of the recipients as spam.

The controllers were not able to stop the Indians and Chinese though. Traditional Astrology flourishes here but the problem is in incompetence stemming from ego and over reliance on archaic interpretations made by Upper Castes to keep the lower castes down.

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IQ, what in your opinion is "right" house system?. It is so difficult to predic if the house system and rulers are wrong.

posted May 10, 2011 09:09 AM            

Correctly said Yrone. As per the findings of one of the greatest Mystics ever, Aghori Vimalananda, it is forbidden for any astrologer to charge for his or her knowledge. It is only permitted to charge for the time spent on analysis. Every "secret" requested by a client has to be given, with payment only for the time spent.

It is said charging for divulging an astrological secret leads to the money being cursed.

@NordicSoul:
The best thing to do is to find out which House System works best for your own chart, from a very thorough introspection. Then stick to that.
I found that only Tobey's system worked for me along with Equal House Systems. Hence I use that. I will never say other systems fail. A client once forced me to use only Placidus and even sent advance payment against my wish.

Though I was a bit worried, I gave it a shot and I was able to give her a 100% satisfactory reading. Things clicked for her as analyzed. Her faith in Placidus was amazingly strong, it attracted the right info for her from a Placidus skeptic.

I have said this before, when there is a Divinely guided intent to help, you can give the precise analysis even with a totally wrong time and date. God has arranged for the Planets their own Consciousness, far more powerful than us individual astrologers. Every Degree has a Conscious Entity beaming Spiritual energy.

They will not fail to help one with a positive intent to help. And even with the best and most accurate information and hi tech software, these Beings will ensure an egoistic astrologer is scre*ed someday if he is ungrateful to God for his or her findings.

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posted May 10, 2011 09:11 AM            

I tend to doubt EVERYTHING. even when coming from "credible" sources. I tend to test ideas, concepts etc with my own experience. I always ask myself "who benefits from this" or "who paid for this research" etc. that helps me a little. of course, even our "experience" or something can be suggested. It is almost impossible to discern "true" from half-true. sometimes I follow my gut feeling, but we all know that sometimes we incline the gust feelings toward what we accept.

It is part of human nature or other creatures nature to feel powerful when they hold knowledge. And when you know, you may have some moments in which you feel special for knowing a secret unknown to others. I guess that may be the reason for secrecy (using a human perspective approach)so the ones who know are the ones who control everything...but how do you get there? is there any open window or door?

if knowledge comes from positive sources, the interest will be to diseminate it. but who can tell when is not half-true? are we equipped to discern? again, probably gut feeling could tell, and in my experience have saved me many times, but can I be 100% sure my gut feeling is mine?

posted May 10, 2011 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I do think that information gets filtered but not by some external force. I think man as a species is reluctant to face anything. I think that when an external authority gets blames then it's really the "inner parent" that is blocking progress.

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posted May 10, 2011 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
.......We live in a world where we are a small speck in a very large universe.....

.........What I'm asking here is do you think, or to what extent do you believe that the information we have in regard to spiritual and weird matters is controlled by the people we look up to, or even the people who make the laws and decisions in this land?
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posted May 10, 2011 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
I remembered The Matrix. Do you recollect what The Oracle tells ? She says that He will be told only/just what he is required to know then (She illustrates it with the example of the vase falling etc).

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Still confused by the matrix, especially the second one when he meets the architect, but I guess that is what we are supposed to be like down here on earth.

posted May 10, 2011 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
I would say so but I don't know enough about it. I have never understood why the bible considers astrology to be evil.

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posted May 10, 2011 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
I would say so but I don't know enough about it. I have never understood why the bible considers astrology to be evil.

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I think it's because astrology deals with predictions. Something that should only be done on channel god. ie, he (or she) should be the only one that can fortell, say, your death. Like saying you should leave the burger making to Burger King as they do the best burgers.

It may have some bad references, but can easily be confused with psychics who predict things, by using good or bad spirits.

God created the planets. I'm sure they were not just there to guide the way in the dark, and to measure the time to go to bed, and the time to get up.

Sure I can find some references showing astrology is ok, like the three wise men. But yet again, Burger King comes to mind.

posted February 19, 2013 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
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Why weren't they able to stop the indians or chinese?
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The traditional Indians and Chinese have a "religious belief" in Astrology, and hence they did not succumb to the disinformation that Astrology was false.

Every child born here has a Horoscope Cast. There is no way to stop this. An expert Indian Astrologer just needs to look at the Moon's position in the sky. He can then cast a precise chart [without Uranus, Neptune and Pluto] even if Astrology Software is banned by NWO. These priests have mapped out every Lunar Cycle since antiquity and can "back caluclate" any planetary position using Time, Date and Lunar Position.

There are some experts who see the face and cast the exact chart, some see the Palms and cast the chart. It is amazing, but they do not share this information.

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iQ who do you mean by Indians? does this include the ONES ?