posted April 09, 2012 08:03 PM            

I have a stationary direct Pluto in my chart and my personal theory is that it is my strongest planet because of it being SD. My theory is that because Stationary planets are pretty uncommon generally speaking, that they have a strong energy in a person's chart.

I've looked at so many charts in my lifetime and have not yet come across another person with a stationary Pluto, although I have seen a couple SD Saturns and Neptunes. They obviously exist in people's charts, just not in any I've looked at.

Personally, I experience my Pluto as a lifelong challenge and a gift. I feel like it's a bit of a paradox in that way. It's sort of like I came into this world with a lot of understanding about Pluto, a graduate degree if you will, and now I'm going for my PhD in Plutonics (and it's a lot harder than I thought.)

So I'm wondering if anyone else has a stationary planet and if so, how they experience it. This could just be my personal experience, especially since I have Karma exactly conjunct my Pluto and a NN in Scorpio.

posted April 09, 2012 09:48 PM            

Feel silly asking, but could you dumb it down for me?

posted April 09, 2012 09:55 PM            

Planets don't actually change direction in the sky but from here on earth it only seems to be the case. Even though these planets are not actually moving backwards or standing still, the perceived motion (or lack thereof) influences the nature of the planet in question.

For example, a retrograde planet in the natal chart often indicates a certain karma with the retrograding planet.

posted April 09, 2012 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
If you look at the additional tables on astro.com you will often see a letter next to the degree of the planet in question. If you see an R then that planet is retrograde. If you see and SR then the planet is stationary retrograde - so it's stationary in the brief time just before it moves in a retrograde motion. If you see an SD then that is Stationary Direct and the planet is stationary in the brief time before it begins moving direct once again.

Planets don't actually change direction in the sky but from here on earth it only seems to be the case. Even though these planets are not actually moving backwards or standing still, the perceived motion (or lack thereof) influences the nature of the planet in question.

For example, a retrograde planet in the natal chart often indicates a certain karma with the retrograding planet.

Does that make sense?

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Thank you it makes perfect sense, I knew about retrograde just not the stationary.

Sorry no Sd next to Pluto for me, just Neptune. Good luck finding someone.

posted April 09, 2012 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Well if you have a Stationary Neptune, I'd love to hear about your experiences with it. This question was for all stationary planets. Mine just happens to be Pluto.

How do you experience your stationary Neptune?

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Honestly?
I don't know.
It's the bane of my existence. I'm prone to serious flights of fancy and have to partition off my extreme imagination and "what if's" from reality or else I'll get lost in them... and sometimes that's difficult to do. I'm not sure how much of who I am to contribute to other planets and/or aspects though, but pretty confident that the crazy imagination can be put on Neptune. People have a tendency to think that just because I imagine something to be true, it's what I actually believe... but it's not, it's just my attempt to think out side the box and figure things out in ways that may not be common.
But really I don't know enough about Neptune itself to answer more thoroughly.

Also, I found this for you. You probably already found it and it's 6 years old but if not: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009925.html

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Also thank you, I now have something to do tomorrow... systematically going through my chart and finding out how the retrogrades, directs, and stationary directs change the qualities of the various planets.

posted April 10, 2012 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:

I have a stationary direct Pluto in my chart and my personal theory is that it is my strongest planet because of it being SD. My theory is that because Stationary planets are pretty uncommon generally speaking, that they have a strong energy in a person's chart.

I've looked at so many charts in my lifetime and have not yet come across another person with a stationary Pluto, although I have seen a couple SD Saturns and Neptunes. They obviously exist in people's charts, just not in any I've looked at.

Personally, I experience my Pluto as a lifelong challenge and a gift. I feel like it's a bit of a paradox in that way. It's sort of like I came into this world with a lot of understanding about Pluto, a graduate degree if you will, and now I'm going for my PhD in Plutonics (and it's a lot harder than I thought.)

So I'm wondering if anyone else has a stationary planet and if so, how they experience it. This could just be my personal experience, especially since I have Karma exactly conjunct my Pluto and a NN in Scorpio.

I'd love to hear your experiences and/or observations.

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I have Pluto stationary retrograde. It's also my chart ruler and sextiles part of my cap stellium...

posted April 10, 2012 11:06 AM            

Also, ninja bump back to the top.

posted April 10, 2012 03:14 PM            

Sashar - First, yes, ignore my capitalizing the 'd'. It is indeed "Sd" and therefore stationary direct.

I had to chuckle at the link you left for me since *I* was the topic starter back in 2006!! Lol. That's before I started figuring out how Pluto worked in my chart, and incidentally, before I found out my correct birth time which moved Pluto in to House 5 as opposed to House 4 - which ended up making a lot more sense and helping me on my journey to figuring it out.

What Glaucus wrote:"You are a "Neptunian Character." You can be: the idealist, artsy type, movie star, rock star, mystic, chemist, socialist, spiritualist, or photographer. You have a great mystique and powerful aura. Like the Jaguar automobile, with plenty of good maintenance and fine tuning you can be a high performer. You're especially sensitive to your environment. Aquatic and nautical themes increase your good luck. For better or worse, your imagination is one of your biggest personality traits. You could be in the public eye a long time."

Do you find that any of this rings true for you? I would think that because your Neptune is so strong, that the way you use your imagination is crucial to your development and happiness. I think with any strong energy, it can either use us or we can use it. Better to use it than let it wipe the floor with us.

I know for me personally, if I'm not owning my power, that's when things start to unravel. And I've had to learn (and truthfully am still learning) that with a strong Pluto, I have to surrender to the power of change and transformation (and death) or else I end up stuck and stagnant (and miserable). I can tell you that my Cancer Sun/Venus and Taurus Moon have a really hard time with this so it's been a bit of an uphill battle due to my inherent stubbornness and resistance to change.

I think with your Neptune, if you are using your vast imagination to think outside the box and channel it towards something positive, then you would likely feel as if you were doing the "right" thing - and by "right" I mean the right thing for you.

Another last thought is that whenever a person does something that would not be considered part of living in the consensus state in our society, that you're going to come across people who tell you that your energy should be tamped down. But really, this is about them, not you. For example, I have a lot of intensity. This makes some people very uncomfortable, but it's also a very important part of who I am so to tamp it down is to not allow it (and myself) to organically be what it is meant to be - to keep it in the box, to use your analogy. And we all know that Pluto cannot live in a box. So when I do this, for whatever reason, I suffer. When I allow my power to come out in a healthy way, do not give my power away and do not try to shape it to meet the needs of everyone else, I succeed.

posted April 11, 2012 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Anglerfish - How do you experience Pluto in your life? Do you find that it dominates thematically? (I would assume so especially since it's also your chart ruler) Because that's been my experience. Also, what house is it in?

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Yes, you assume correctly. It's in my 12th in Placidius houses. So it can get a bit scary at times. I think I have a long way to go to "get" Pluto.

posted November 18, 2012 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
...My theory is that because Stationary planets are pretty uncommon generally speaking, that they have a strong energy in a person's chart.

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I have Stationary Retrograde Chiron in 12th. & Agree with that theory of it being a strong influence. Escapism, comfort in additions/intoxication, strong intuition/reading people - sometimes surprising even to myself. Always searching and looking for something, don't know what it is but an overwhelming need to find/fulfill it. Plus so much more.

posted November 20, 2012 12:32 PM            

I've been wanting to find out more information about stationary direct but haven't come across any. I've had a lot of astrologers praise my Saturn that not only is it exalted in Libra, but in very early degrees (strongest energy in early degrees) and it's in stationary direct. I've not ever understood what exactly makes my Saturn "lucky," other than the concept that those reincarnated with Libra Saturn are fortunate souls who have spent a lot of time in their past lives to seek higher spiritual knowledge (or some such).

I can say that when people meet me, they get a feeling that I'm "solid" and "fair" and trust me right away. It always surprises me, but people always trust me with very heavy knowledge/secrets about them and I hardly even know them. It doesn't scare me, I actually like being trusted and I don't abuse others with their trust. I've met people who clearly dislike me and yet they all have admitted that they do respect my fairness and sense of judgement.
But maybe that's the point? Stationary direct Libra Saturn is meant to utilize their strong abilities to place balance and order in the world? No matter where I go, or what situation I'm in, I always end up being the equalizer and I restore balance from chaos. It truly has started since birth and it hasn't stopped even now, and I've survived my 1st Saturn's return. I wished I didn't have to do any balancing for others, as I always end up getting very exhausted.

posted November 20, 2012 05:39 PM            

lavenderstarbelly, So your Pluto is Stationary Direct or Stationary Rx?

TaurusRising, So you feel that you experience all of the positive and not so positive attributes of Chiron but just more intensely then? That has been my experience of Pluto.

a_may_gemini, You have both Stationary Direct? Wowza. And conjunct your ASC too, that's pretty cool. I would definitely think that Jupiter is really great to have, especially since it's at 0 degrees in a Cardinal sign and Sd. Do you feel it's the most powerful planet in your chart?

Yeah, there's not a lot of information on Sd planets but despite the fact that according to the Pullen rating system, Pluto is not that prominent in my chart (it comes in at 5 or 6) I feel Pluto very strongly and consider it to be one of the most energetic planets in my chart. Definitely wish there was as much study put into Sd planets as there is about Rx planets.

ETA: One of the ways that I have experienced Pluto being Sd in my chart is that I feel that I have entered in to people's lives a lot of the time as the bringer of transformation. It actually kind of sucks to be honest because part of change and transformations includes the death of things and so I rarely have any lasting relationships. (And I wonder if I ever will get married) The longest friendship I have had is 13 years and that's with a Scorpio so I suppose that makes sense. in any case, I am good at bringing really deep changes to other people's lives but sometimes it feels depressing because I never get to stay with people for very long (or as long as I would like to).

posted November 20, 2012 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Oh look! My old thread! I'm glad that there are some more replies about stationary planets since I find them somewhat uncommon myself.

lavenderstarbelly, So your Pluto is Stationary Direct or Stationary Rx?

TaurusRising, So you feel that you experience all of the positive and not so positive attributes of Chiron but just more intensely then? That has been my experience of Pluto.

a_may_gemini, You have both Stationary Direct? Wowza. And conjunct your ASC too, that's pretty cool. I would definitely think that Jupiter is really great to have, especially since it's at 0 degrees in a Cardinal sign and Sd. Do you feel it's the most powerful planet in your chart?

Yeah, there's not a lot of information on Sd planets but despite the fact that according to the Pullen rating system, Pluto is not that prominent in my chart (it comes in at 5 or 6) I feel Pluto very strongly and consider it to be one of the most energetic planets in my chart. Definitely wish there was as much study put into Sd planets as there is about Rx planets.

ETA: One of the ways that I have experienced Pluto being Sd in my chart is that I feel that I have entered in to people's lives a lot of the time as the bringer of transformation. It actually kind of sucks to be honest because part of change and transformations includes the death of things and so I rarely have any lasting relationships. (And I wonder if I ever will get married) The longest friendship I have had is 13 years and that's with a Scorpio so I suppose that makes sense. in any case, I am good at bringing really deep changes to other people's lives but sometimes it feels depressing because I never get to stay with people for very long (or as long as I would like to).

So I am wondering now if your Sd planet shows up for you like this. Do you embody the energy of that planet in some way?

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Jupiter Libra 0°26'43 in house 1 stationary (D)
Saturn Libra 3°02'53 in house 1 stationary (D)

posted November 20, 2012 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
LOL well yes, I am very Jupiterian. According to the Pullen rating system, Jupiter is my strongest influence at like 14%. It's kinda hilarious because I don't particularly think I'm lucky (nor unlucky) but in reality, if I reflect on it, I am VERY, VERY lucky. I've had a lot of close calls where literally, after me, it's the cut off for many things. Even my friends and relatives laugh and say that it's amazing that when I put a little effort, not only do I succeed, but my luck pulls me through it, too. I always thought that's normal, but maybe it isn't.

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Interesting Well that sounds a lot like Jupiter to me! I have a 12th house Jupiter so I can relate to some extent when it comes to lucky streaks coming out of nowhere to save my butt, however it's not the norm.

My normal is transform, transform, transform. Gah. A bit tiresome. And since my Pluto is conjunct Karma I always get the overwhelming sense that it's something that I must do.

posted November 20, 2012 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
Pluto conjunct Karma? By Karma, do you mean Saturn? If so, Saturn conjunct Pluto is a bit rotten. If you're naughty and do mischievous things or even anything that's not remotely appropriate, you'll get busted and punished quite swiftly. I've seen this in a few charts and have asked the natives if it's true and they all account that it's quite true so they can't misbehave, otherwise they'll get caught LOL

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posted November 20, 2012 09:32 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
I don't know what it is, but an asteroid named Karma kinda has a yuck factor to it.

hmmm... I have Karma in Capricorn conjunct IC (YUCK), opposes my MC (double YUCK), squares my AC (triple YUCK), and squares my DC (ICK). ugh, i don't what's worst. having Karma conjunct Pluto or having it f*ck up all your axises. eeeeeepp!!

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Karma on the IC! That's also pretty rough. And making hard aspects to all your angles too! I actually have Saturn on my IC so it's a little bit the same except that my IC/MC don't square my other angles, they sextile/trine them.

Sorry to bring it to your attention! There you were, living in blissful ignorance all this time and I ruined it.

posted November 20, 2012 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Karma on the IC! That's also pretty rough. And making hard aspects to all your angles too! I actually have Saturn on my IC so it's a little bit the same except that my IC/MC don't square my other angles, they sextile/trine them.

Sorry to bring it to your attention! There you were, living in blissful ignorance all this time and I ruined it.

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posted November 20, 2012 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL trust me, i don't live in "blissful ignorance" as much as i wished i did!
t pluto in capricorn has been f*cking with my axises since 2008. trust me, i haven't been in a state of bliss since since 2006. my divorce started in 2008 (when pluto entered capricorn). thankfully, i've gone through my 1st saturn's return without crying and whining about the unfairness and injustices of the world and i've learned to accept many and most things, even though i am still very strongly opinionated.
seeing the asteroid karma on my IC and in hard aspects to other axises isn't much of a surprise to me. it just reiterates what i've been experiencing for a number of years LOL

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posted November 21, 2012 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by lavenderstarbelly:
Stationary direct. I definitely feel the same way. I bring about change but usually a bit after I leave. So many men I have ended relationships with have changed dramatically not while I was with them, but just after the relationship added. Example: An Atheist turning Buddhist.

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Wow! So funny that you can relate. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one I had a similar experience with an ex who was an Atheist. He didn't become a Buddhist but I know he shifted his world view.