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Topic: Using the Natal & Dracone together.
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PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 02:21 PM
  
I've been studying the effects of the Draconic and Natal together on the self for a month or so now, and what i've found is interesting.The Natal is everything that is covering your self, the chart of your entire physical being. The Draconic is you on the Soul level, the Natal is how everything physically manifests. If you think about yourself on the inside, in side your head, your mind, that is the draconic chart, the Draconic Sun & Moon. The Natal then, is everything that is covering you. The Draconic is inside your head, and the basis of interaction, everyone is there own Soul.  Draconic = 
Natal =
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Natal Ophiuchus Sun, Capricorn Moon, Scorp asc. Dracon Aries Sun, Gemini Moon, Aries asc. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 02:27 PM
So the Draconic is your inner self, your Head, Your Dragons Node, the you that you most know.The Natal is then everything that you were born with, that you are using in this life, or getting used to, your physical or external self, that is always on show, as you are not always at your soul level. ------------------
Natal Ophiuchus Sun, Capricorn Moon, Scorp asc. Dracon Aries Sun, Gemini Moon, Aries asc. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 02:28 PM
I think, when you speak to someone that you know, or that knows you, you use your "Draconic/Soul Node" self, but if it someone you don't know, you stay behind the Natal self.------------------
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PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
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posted November 27, 2013 02:34 PM
My apologies for the Plutonian energy given from this, i do much prefer an earth approach.  ------------------
Natal Ophiuchus Sun, Capricorn Moon, Scorp asc. Dracon Aries Sun, Gemini Moon, Aries asc. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 02:45 PM
Are you using mean or true Node?EDIT:
Oh and I agree with you. Just when I wrote about it I called it the "soullevel" as compared to the physical/ manifestation level of the tropical. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 02:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Are you using mean or true Node?EDIT:
Oh and I agree with you. Just when I wrote about it I called it the "soullevel" as compared to the physical/ manifestation level of the tropical.
True node, why?
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Natal Ophiuchus Sun, Capricorn Moon, Scorp asc.
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PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 02:51 PM
EDIT:
Oh and I agree with you. Just when I wrote about it I called it the "soullevel" as compared to the physical/ manifestation level of the tropical.
Soul level and Physical manifestation describe's it better than i ever could myself.
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Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
True node, why?
Yes, me, too. I just stumbled across some articles wherein the authors stated the mean Node "worked" better, and I couldn`t quite wrap my head around it.
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Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 03:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoFish:
EDIT:
Oh and I agree with you. Just when I wrote about it I called it the "soullevel" as compared to the physical/ manifestation level of the tropical.
Soul level and Physical manifestation describe's it better than i ever could myself.
Thanks.
I just realized that my Draconic Moon is exactly conjunct my tropical DESC n 7 Gemini.
Personally I would interprete it this way, that relationships, close friendships and encounters (maybe even open enemy-ships ) open up the gateway to experience my deepest soul (cause what really can get deepr or let`s say deeply emotional than the Draconic Moon? ). Put differently, my deepest soulful emotions enter this plane of existence, become manifest and visible through close partnerships. IT might also explain why relationships are so important to me, at least on an emotional level, despite having a stellium all in 1st house and Moon in 2nd house. However my Draconic Sun, Mercury and VEnus all fall into my tropical 4th house and my Draconic Moon falls into tropical 7th house.
That were my thougts aobut it.
How would you experience this aspect?
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PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 27, 2013 03:16 PM
I also have a stellium in the first and Moon in the second, how odd. 
Do you think the Tropical is the chart to be worked on through this lifetime, like the North Node for the next, or that you are ment to reach to your Soul level and use the natal, purely as that, the physical manifestation?IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
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posted November 27, 2013 03:19 PM
Myself i havn't interpreted it that way, i've kept the Draconic as the inner which gets expressed Through the natal, i havn't thought the two get mixed up as they are in different times, but i don't know, would you be certain that they are interpreted that way?  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 03:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Myself i havn't interpreted it that way, i've kept the Draconic as the inner which gets expressed Through the natal, i havn't thought the two get mixed up as they are in different times, but i don't know, would you be certain that they are interpreted that way?
Not sure what you think is the difference? It is how I use it, too.
The Draconic gets expressed through the tropical, and usually at the joint-points, where both zodiacs interlock.
I also for fun once checked the Draconic composite to the tropical composite, and found the results astounding.
In the example of a friend of mine and her soulmate. They have composite ASC on 25 Pisces, (on his tropical Moon), and their Draco comnposite Pluto is on 24 Pisces. (Interestingly in the Draconic composite of my crush and me Pluto is on 24 Pisces, as well, on his tropical ASC and my Draco ASC; and among others the Draconic composite Venus is aligned with the composite Sun as well as our natal Suns and his Moon, hence emphasizing one of the core-connections in our synastry; and if you get to the soul of it, you stumble on Venus. Like Venus is sort of underlying this connection and maybe the reason for it) IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 27, 2013 03:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not sure what you think is the difference?It is how I use it, too.
The Draconic gets expressed through the tropical, and usually at the joint-points, where both zodiacs interlock.
I also for fun once checked the Draconic composite to the tropical composite, and found the results astounding.
In the example of a friend of mine and her soulmate. They have composite ASC on 25 Pisces, (on his tropical Moon), and their Draco comnposite Pluto is on 24 Pisces. (Interestingly in the Draconic composite of my crush and me Pluto is on 24 Pisces, as well, on his tropical ASC and my Draco ASC; and among others the Draconic composite Venus is aligned with the composite Sun as well as our natal Suns and his Moon, hence emphasizing one of the core-connections in our synastry; and if you get to the soul of it, you stumble on Venus. Like Venus is sort of underlying this connection and maybe the reason for it)
I guess it could work, though how do you know which has the inner ascendant on the ascendant and which is the outer, perhaps they overlay eachother in synq, both ascendants work together, etc? I havn't gotten that far into it yet i'm still learning to fully understand my own chart - Would you say the comparision chart on Astro.com works well? IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 27, 2013 03:56 PM
The comparasion on astro.com defiently works.
My Vertex/Vesta Scorpio conjunction 8H exactly conjuncts my Natal ascendant, and my Dr 9th Capricorn Mars exactly conjuncts my Second house Capricorn Moon.I think the degree's are off a few in the astro.com charts though, i can feel i'm a Taurus and not an Aries Sun, i think. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
From: Tibet.
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posted November 27, 2013 03:58 PM
My Draconic second house Moon/Neptune/Uranus in gemini exactly conjuncts my natal descendant, this opens up alot for me.
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Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 04:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoFish:
My Draconic second house Moon/Neptune/Uranus in gemini exactly conjuncts my natal descendant, this opens up alot for me.
Hence the laughing faces
So your Draconic 2nd house Moon also cojuncts your tropical DESC?
Same as in my chart. Wow! What house does your Moon rule in your tropical natal chart?
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BTW astro.com definitely works.
Your Draco Sun is in Aries. (this also reflects the 1st house placement of the Sun somewhat)
However your tropical Moon is in 2nd house, which resonates with Taurus. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 27, 2013 04:16 PM
In the case of my synastry with my crush.his tropical ASC 25 or 26 Pisces.
his tropical Saturn 26 Virgo
his tropical Vertex 28 Virgo my Draco ASC: 26 Pisces
my Draco Mars: 25 Pisces
my Draco NEptune: 29 Pisces Forcusing just on his tropical ASC, through his appearance and energy, his instinctual being (ASC) he trigers something inside me that is pretty much deep inside. He is outwardly expressing, what I have inside, hence I feel a great familiarity.
I donīt have any own planets in tropical on this axis, but being in his physical proximity opens up the gates for me to express this inner side of me more clearly. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1698
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posted November 27, 2013 07:15 PM
I'm sorry i've got some things to get on with i'll be back to reply later.
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WarriorPrincess7
Knowflake Posts: 165
From: Island of Sirens
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 27, 2013 07:51 PM
I have draconic venus conjunct natal Mars and ASC in leo, also draconic moon in pisces conjunct natal venus. I find that the natal interpretation for the draco/natal aspects really fit. I really agree with your theory PlutoFish, I see how it can work. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 3744
From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 27, 2013 08:34 PM
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Draco comnposite
I couldn't find this option on astro.I have draco Uranus exactly on my DSC and guess what, I have a natal Aqua Venus
Neptune, my natal DSC ruler lands in Pisces in the 7th and conjuncts the angle.
My 5th house stellium moved into the 7th-8th house, ugh  I'm getting more and more into this chart.
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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 2310
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 27, 2013 11:14 PM
Natal - DraconicVirgo and Aquarius - Sun
Leo and Capricorn - Ascendant
Gemini and Sagittarius - Moon
Libra and Pisces - Mercury
Libra and Pisces - Venus
Scorpio and Aries - Mars
Sagittarius and Taurus - Jupiter
Pisces and Leo - Saturn
Capricorn and Gemini - Uranus
Capricorn and Gemini - Neptune
Scorpio and Taurus - Pluto IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87
Knowflake Posts: 871
From: Curitiba, Brasil
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 28, 2013 09:10 AM
And if the Draconic is the same of your natal? Just some degrees are far apart, but no changes in the houses... O.oIP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 28, 2013 09:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]Draco comnposite
I couldn't find this option on astro.[/QUOTE] Just make a composite and pick Draconic zodiac in the box where you can pick the zodiacs (tropical, heliocentric etc.) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 28, 2013 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
And if the Draconic is the same of your natal? Just some degrees are far apart, but no changes in the houses... O.o
As for the houses, the gestalt of the natal does not change.
The same aspects and same housepositions as in your tropical chart arise again. However, what is interesting to look at is where the DRaconic chart is interlocking with your tropical. If your NN is close to 00 Aries the changes will be only a minimum. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted November 28, 2013 11:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
However, what is interesting to look at is where the DRaconic chart is interlocking with your tropical.
What do you mean? forming aspects ? having similar themes ? IP: Logged |
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