posted August 02, 2014 06:32 PM            

It just makes sense, and I can prove this with the experiences of my own life...

The rising sign is the first house. It is the house of the "I AM therefore I AM". That's God right there. It's the the new life and "spark" preceding the purging of the 12th house, and it sets up the entire path of the rest of the houses. The rising sign is the "division" of light and darkness. The light that manifests into material

I'm not discrediting the Sun, because everything about the Sun is correct, but I believe when it comes to the spiritual incarnation of who you are. The rising, desc, mid heaven, and IC will point everything out. Those points are like magnetic force fields in the cosmos. It completely excels the planets.

I've always saw the Sun as the light that helps "direct" where our rising sign will gain an understanding of the conscience. For EXAMPLE. If you are a Sag rising with a Cancer Sun, then that means you posses the I AM of the Sagittarius, but you will receive your "masculine direction" in areas that deal with the home (cancer related)

Same with the moon. If you are a Sag rising and a Libra moon, then that means you are the incarnation of a Sag that will respond, and be receptive to areas that deal with balance and justice

I believe our rising sign is the star that falls and becomes man. It's the cosmos manifested as you and me. I cringe when I see people say that your rising sign is just a "mask".

posted August 02, 2014 06:37 PM            

Balance my masculinity, ego and pride?

I like your thinking though!
Also, the rising, beginning the house of self would be more of what we see, physically in front of us where the sun would be more, shall we say "undercurrents"?

Anyway, proof of concept of what you're saying I think is for me I've always drawn in people with at LEAST ONE planet that touches an angle... Every time.

Makes me think about progressions, which I have been thinking about as mine has entered Scorpio now. (4 degrees) How our houses and therefore our 'self'changes.

posted August 02, 2014 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Makes sense.
Libra rising Leo...
Umm...
Let's see.

Balance my masculinity, ego and pride?

I like your thinking though!
Also, the rising, beginning the house of self would be more of what we see, physically in front of us where the sun would be more, shall we say "undercurrents"?

Anyway, proof of concept of what you're saying I think is for me I've always drawn in people with at LEAST ONE planet that touches an angle... Every time.

Makes me think about progressions, which I have been thinking about as mine has entered Scorpio now. (4 degrees) How our houses and therefore our 'self'changes.

But, another deep topic for another time maybe.

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I can't answer that because no one knows you better than you. I'm an Aquarius rising with a Leo Sun and Libra moon so I'll use myself as an explanation.

I've always knew that I was an Aquarius. Even people who didn't know my sun assumed I was an Aquarius. The traits as well as the patterns in my life are completely Uranian, and Saturnian. Ever since I was a child I knew that I was here to share myself and what I know with the world, as well as be the best person I can be for myself and for others. (Theres ALOT more but I don't wanna get too deep but you know what I mean)

My Sun in Leo made me attract many leaders and role models in my life, primarily my father who I have a great relationship with. My father always used to tell me "Use your talents to serve and improve other peoples lives". And when it came to leaders and other "superiors" I would receive that same insight. So basically who I am (aquarius) is being directed by the Sun in the fashion of the sign that it's in (Leo)

Get me??

posted August 02, 2014 07:09 PM            

Actually my coworkers and even some leaders here at my work keep making comments that I should, or will be in leadership here.
But it's something that I have to choose to pursue, if I want it.
Up to now I haven't been all that interested.

I guess it's something to think about.

posted August 02, 2014 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yeah I think so.

Actually my coworkers and even some leaders here at my work keep making comments that I should, or will be in leadership here.
But it's something that I have to choose to pursue, if I want it.
Up to now I haven't been all that interested.

I guess it's something to think about.

Perhaps driven by my sense of fairness, and keeping things enjoyable while you're here. Might as well enjoy your job. I think it's critical.

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Basically all I'm saying is that I believe the Sun will signify the type of masculine figures in our lives that will help make us more conscience of who we are (which is rising sign). If the Sun is making contact with the Rising sign, it will be pronounced even more. Like Asc conjunct/opposed the Sun

posted August 02, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Disagree. Your sun sign guides your rising. If your idea were true then everyone would be the same. We aren't all the same. Your whole chart works together and makes you simply you. Your sun is the leader and everything else follows behind, it is your core. If anything your moon IS the more personal sign. I think the rising is more prounounced when it's the same as your sun and even more so with others that are also the same.

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posted August 02, 2014 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
Not the only one! There was this book, I think the title was Fated Attraction, in which the author described male and female Moon, Mars, etc signs in regards to potential romance. She omitted Sun signs. Completely. There were Rising Signs, then Moon and other personal planets. Like Sun didn't even matter.

Personally, I feel connected to both my Sun and my Rising Sign. I feel like their square-like position describes the sometimes controversial traits of my personality very well. But my Asc is very aspected, including a conjunction to my North Node in 1st house, and its sign rules both 1st and 2nd houses. Maybe that's the reason why I feel it so much despite the lack of planets in that sign.

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NorthNode is the only thing conjuncting my rising sign. And yes! I know exactly how you feel! As I was trying to explain to Barbie, I believe the rising sign is the BASE of who you are. The planets help shape certain aspects in your life but the 1st house, or the house of the "I AM" is the grounding of your soul and identity. And the fact that you need your exact time of birth, as well as location shows how crucial it is to know it. Or how personal it is

Your rising sign is the seed while the other planetary influences express how that seed grows.

Your Sun squaring your ASC explains why it has such an influence on you. Anything touching your "I AM" house will influence you. To me and from experience the sun just symbolizes basic masculine principles determined by the sign it is in.

posted August 02, 2014 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I agree with Barbie that your moon and mercury are more "personal" than sun and asc. But also I was thinking that maybe that's a feminine thing. Maybe women feel the moon more than men do, and we are more in touch with the moon, while men are more in touch with the sun. Mercury is androgynous, it is pure brain, but the way we think can be very personal.

I think the rising sign might seem more like who you are if you have first house planets or if the planet that rules your rising sign is in the fifth house. Or if you're the kind of person that is defined by social interaction or the way you appear to others. As in your personality is who you want to appear to be in front of other people.

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I don't have any planets in my first house and it still dominates. Including the planets that own my rising sign. You gotta take those things into account. How is it that just by your rising sign alone it's ruling planet can have such an incredible impact on your life?

posted August 02, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I agree with Barbie that your moon and mercury are more "personal" than sun and asc. But also I was thinking that maybe that's a feminine thing. Maybe women feel the moon more than men do, and we are more in touch with the moon, while men are more in touch with the sun. Mercury is androgynous, it is pure brain, but the way we think can be very personal.

I think the rising sign might seem more like who you are if you have first house planets or if the planet that rules your rising sign is in the fifth house. Or if you're the kind of person that is defined by social interaction or the way you appear to others. As in your personality is who you want to appear to be in front of other people.

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Men pick what they want to be let out though. Us women don't have a choice lol, well a good chunk of us anyway. I agree that the brain can be very personal, it is ours after all.

posted August 02, 2014 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I don't have any planets in my first house and it still dominates. Including the planets that own my rising sign. You gotta take those things into account. How is it that just by your rising sign alone it's ruling planet can have such an incredible impact on your life?

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posted August 02, 2014 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Your rising sign is the seed while the other planetary influences express how that seed grows.

Your Sun squaring your ASC explains why it has such an influence on you. Anything touching your "I AM" house will influence you. To me and from experience the sun just symbolizes basic masculine principles determined by the sign it is in.

But we all have our beliefs and respect everyone's..But to say the rising is just a "mask" is straight up hogwash

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As for the aspects touching my 1st house, well
Asc square Sun (Leo Rising so Sun rules Asc too)
Asc trine MC trine Mars (Grand Fire Trine touching 1st - 10th - 5th houses)
Asc sextile Moon
Asc sextile Jupiter
Asc sextile Saturn

posted August 02, 2014 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
How do know that though? When you really have your mind set on being something you'll do whatever you have to to be that way, how do you know it's not that? That's it's not being forced as in it is indeed forced? You are the only person in control of your own life, actions and outcomes included. What sign is your Mercury in if you don't mind me asking?

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I'm lost lol I don't understand your question. And it's unaspected in late Leo..

posted August 02, 2014 08:54 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I'm lost lol I don't understand your question. And it's unaspected in late Leo..

I'm not trying to make anything fatalistic, just expressing what I believe is more important based off of real life experiences and insights I've gained over my ten years of studying this science. I'm still learning...

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posted August 02, 2014 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Men pick what they want to be let out though. Us women don't have a choice lol, well a good chunk of us anyway. I agree that the brain can be very personal, it is ours after all.

I agree with you about the planets in first making your rising more potent. I think they activate it more, planets in 5th makes a lot of sense too. Good point.

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posted August 02, 2014 09:05 PM            

Asc.. I have
Pluto in 1st conjunct.
Mars in 12th conjunct.
Jupiter 8th trine.
Moon 9th Square.
Saturn 10th sextile.
Neptune 3rd sextile.

But I'll focus on the first... pluto in first conjunct asc.
NN is in Scropio, 6 degrees.

Having Barbie's Venus conjunct my NN in Scorpio has REALLY shown me what that is about. It's been a major wake up call for me on what NN in Scorpio means to me.

All my life, and still, I struggle with Pluto. It's not very fun actually. It may have some surface qualities that others find appealing but it's enough to drive you crazy, and them crazy even more. Just the obsession, the digging, oh the digging. Looking at facts, clues, living on intuition and wanting to know EVERYONE's secrets. Seriously, I could just sit down with random people from all over my work and just let them spill all of their darkest secrets. That would be enjoyable to me. Things like that.

So I thought, well... so then what is NN in Scorpio about? (Again, to me personally)

Having her Venus there. I feel her love pulling me in new directions. I really, truly do. She loves in such a deep way. Very deep, very committed. Very, pure and in a spiritual way. It's cliche, but that saying that "Love like you've never been hurt." That's her. It's very... to me it just seems ideal. It tears me up to type this to just think of the WAY she loves me. The kind of love that she gives to me. The direction that she pulls me. I'm learning to let go. It's scary sometimes because I've relied on such a way to love for a long time. This is new. It's like walking into a beautiful new... heavenly mansion and there's just little things to discover.
It's truly just night and day from Pluto vs Scorpio. Learning to go deeper, to trust where you're going even though you can't see everything that's in there. Pluto wants to know every "corner of the room" before it enters. I don't mean to make this into a pluto/scorpio discussion. It's a first house/asc vs NN discussion for me. Mine just happen to be those.

To me, the NN is insanely powerful. Before, it was really hard to see it. To know what it is, what it's about. What direction that it was even pointing to. I guess looking back I can kind of see it but I confused it for other things.
It really took her to, kind of provide the vessel to help me get there. It's a journey that I will travel on for life I suppose.
It just so happens that my Progressed asc is conjunct my Natal NN right now.

Anyway, sorry if that's a little off topic or anything.
The conversation just kind of spurred those thoughts.

posted August 02, 2014 09:09 PM            

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Yeah. A lot of people become who they want to be. Like if I wanted to be a life of the party type of person I could change myself to be that, but sooner or later my moon is gonna lasso me in lol. The person you want to project is the ascendant, but I can see how for a lot of people who you are and who you want to be can become blurred. Like those personality tests you take yourself... Seems like a lot of the time people answer them as the person they want to be rather than who they really are.

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posted August 02, 2014 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I don't have any planets in my first house and it still dominates. Including the planets that own my rising sign. You gotta take those things into account. How is it that just by your rising sign alone it's ruling planet can have such an incredible impact on your life?

Plus, without knowing the houses, you know nothing. The rising sign initiates that. It shows what cosmic influences will affect the planets. If the first house is the house of the I AM, then you have to take your rising sign as a big deal. The Sun doesn't rule the house of the I AM because if the Sun is in the third house, then that means the Sun will be influenced by "communicating" matters. Notice it's the house that will be influencing the Sun not the other way around :-).

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posted August 02, 2014 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
^ I agree honey. I think it's just the whole chart together, that makes it all so powerful, makes you you. As always you swoon the crowd lover boy 😘.

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I agree. 😘

posted August 02, 2014 09:20 PM            

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I can tell
I meant how do you know that being your ascendant and wanting to be it isn't what you're seeing, therefore making it as important as it is in your life? Like a game that you always want to win and do win occasionally but when you lose you don't accept that you lost. Make sense? If not I'm sorry my libra mind can be confusing LOL.

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I'd rather be a Leo than an Aquarius. If you asked me this a few years ago you'd be surprised at my answer. I used to defend being a Leo hardcore but I always had an Aquarians connection. Even before I knew what a rising sign was I saw the Aquarius connection until one day I got my birth certificate, put in the info, then boom...Aquarius rising at 9 degrees. Then I went deeper into the info and got more insight. I knew I was as Aquarius regardless of my Leo obsession. Just like how you know you're a Libra regardless of whatever else lol

I simply believe that the houses and the points are more crucial and important than the planets. Everyone has all 12 signs influencing their lives. No one is ever not influenced by all of the signs. But the four points are crucial to your life and where it's leading. The planets bring "color" to your houses, but the houses are the compass to everything else.