posted October 26, 2014 01:23 PM            

I want to know what type of woman would change their minds.

Thank you!

posted October 26, 2014 02:33 PM            

Long story short...

In the square, Neptune lies to Venus. (the native lies to themselves, though they don't realize this.)
They very much have this fairytale type of romantic idea. It really could involve anyone! Married, single, older, younger. The belief is that anything with that person of their obsession despite ANY and EVERY obstacle. They may not really be attracted but they FEEL attracted because they've built this dream, this obsession. They get obsessed! It can give any Pluto a run for it's money!
As an example, if this person were into Astrology, it could be all kinds of nasty synastry and they would completely focus on any good aspect. "Oh that's a trine by sign!" even if they don't aspect. That type of thing. Faults, obstacles... everything is "workable". Even if their lack of attraction is evident to themselves, they believe that one day they may be attracted. It's almost like a "Shallow Hal" type of thing.

BECAUSE, they lie to themselves, and THEY believe it. Others, the object of their affection ultimately gets caught up in the whirlwind. Because they believe their own lies, and are oblivious to them being lies at all, they are EXTREMELY talented in convincing the object of their affection of these same things. Very good at catching them, "wooing" them, romancing them, and selling them dreams. It's not purposeful.
Eventually, reality hits. All of those little nitpicking realistic things about people. Those little flaws, come smacking them in the face. Then, just like that, they are ready for an out. They eventually see that it really was a pipedream and they are looking for the nearest exit, often times leaving the other in complete shock and heartbreak. It could be the way you laugh, your stubborness (which they gave into before), you have too many moles, your nose is kinda big, you're a little messy, or never ready in time. A bit bossy, don't allow them enough space, you're too high maintenance, etc etc. (Not that you are LOL) The sum of any and all of these types of things (Very much so with Virgo) will smack them across the face.
These kind of people may have had many relationships.

It's tricky, but my advice is don't fall for it. They CAN be perfectly faithful, loyal, and long term. But unless they are acutely aware of their problem, it's best to give them time to find reality. Protect your heart, and theirs for that matter. You have to kind of keep them in a romantic arms distance and let them see for themselves, "reality". Give them time to see your "human side and little faults". Because for quite some time, they may only see you as the one they've been waiting for. The forever after. If you don't keep your heart close to yourself, you may find yourself burned, unintentially, but still heartbroken.

posted October 26, 2014 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

It's tricky, but my advice is don't fall for it. They CAN be perfectly faithful, loyal, and long term. But unless they are acutely aware of their problem, it's best to give them time to find reality. Protect your heart, and theirs for that matter. You have to kind of keep them in a romantic arms distance and let them see for themselves, "reality". Give them time to see your "human side and little faults". Because for quite some time, they may only see you as the one they've been waiting for. The forever after. If you don't keep your heart close to yourself, you may find yourself burned, unintentially, but still heartbroken.

If any are unaware, I am Venus Virgo (12) square Neptune Sag (3rd). 2 degrees

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Thank you, DF!

posted October 26, 2014 03:13 PM            

Just want to share one thing he said to me, about how he dated so many women who were beautiful (I saw the pictures as proof) and sort of out of his league: "It's not that hard to seduce women. Once I figured out how to do it, it's like I could have anyone I wanted."

I found him irresistible even though I knew I'd be one of his casualties. 'Knew he was a player and I still played which is sooooo unlike me. He was the exception.

Proceed with caution is my advice, no offense intended to others with this aspect, but there is a potency here...it's like the passive or mystical version of Venus square Pluto.

posted October 26, 2014 03:22 PM            

Being extremely straightforward though, and actually being pursued tended to drive me away. "Too easy", is an appropriate way to put it. LOL It's kind of scary... we want that fairytale and that's not it for us. Well, I can't speak for all.

Barbie? Well for one by that point I was into astrology and well aware of this aspect. I KNEW to look for reality and purposely avoid this type of nonsense. I was very practical. We almost kind of quizzed each other about different things in life. Beliefs, what we couldn't stand, food, children, etc etc. Everything, and we matched very very well. We really make each other laugh to this very day and from day one.
We have a lot of things in synastry and composite. Our composite sun is Virgo, right on my venus.
With her, I just think it's a very wide range of things in natal, synastry, and composite.

Feet? no. Not for me. I have nothing unusual there, not that liking feet is exactly unusual either. One thing that stands out above everything is just a feminine figure. Curvy... a womanly shape with hips and all that. Bigger or smaller, heavier, etc... whatever. As long as the proportions were good. The female body as something to look at and admire visually, and by touch, was important. Something to be seen with the eyes in light and seen with the hands in the dark.
Too skinny, nah... plump, nah.... flat chested, nah.... narrow hips, nah... .
But skinny or plump and PROPORTIONAL, yep.

posted October 26, 2014 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
DF, ARGH you're not giving me much to work with here! lol He's not into astrology, so bye-bye mathematical compatibility. I still have to appeal to his subconscious femme fatale. I think I was good at the start, I'll just keep that up. Not sure how much I can, though.

Oh, yeah about the curvy body. I was engaged to a Virgo Venus/Mars myself. Not that long ago.

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posted October 26, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I think you're on the right track for sure, even with how he really feels inside.

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Thank you!

posted October 26, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Thanks for the answer, Muddy! He has Neptune in Sag, and my own Sag Neptune also squares his Venus (but much wider than his own, I'm younger).

Was your SO hard to impress in the beginning? What would you say is his ideal type of woman?

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He wasn't hard to impress imo. And it wasn't hard to interpret his actions because his actions and words were consistent.

I'd say that the type of women that he likes are the ones who are straight forward with their intentions and desires. And his ideal version of romance is the sacrificial type. I use the word "sacrificial" coz I don't have a better word. To me that word always reminds me of martyrdom, or something that is full of regrets... But yeah basically he wants someone who's willing to give up things for him, who loves and chooses him over other things.

He has sag uranus square his venus. At the beginning of the relationship I told him that "While I expect commitment (the full on old-fashioned type), I want you to have what you want too, so anytime you feel like you don't want this (I made a gesture indicating "us"), you should go find what you want and I'll wish you the best of luck". He smiled and he told me that well that was a first, coz most women threatened to off him just because he wanted to end things. So he said that he believed he found what he looked for at last.

So yeah, he's the "If you love someone, be willing to let them go" type and he wants the same.

posted October 26, 2014 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
He wasn't hard to impress imo. And it wasn't hard to interpret his actions because his actions and words were consistent.

I'd say that the type of women that he likes are the ones who are straight forward with their intentions and desires. And his ideal version of romance is the sacrificial type. I use the word "sacrificial" coz I don't have a better word. To me that word always reminds me of martyrdom, or something that is full of regrets... But yeah basically he wants someone who's willing to give up things for him, who loves and chooses him over other things.

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Thank you, Muddy! You confirmed some things.

posted October 26, 2014 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
He wasn't hard to impress imo. And it wasn't hard to interpret his actions because his actions and words were consistent.

I'd say that the type of women that he likes are the ones who are straight forward with their intentions and desires. And his ideal version of romance is the sacrificial type. I use the word "sacrificial" coz I don't have a better word. To me that word always reminds me of martyrdom, or something that is full of regrets... But yeah basically he wants someone who's willing to give up things for him, who loves and chooses him over other things.

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Yes, this kind of confirms why I didn't like flashy/aggressive women.
Although that's still a tough question. Just, maybe they liked attention from men. Maybe they just liked me, wanted my attention. Maybe it was a game to them. Maybe they were going to be bossy/controlling. All those types of things.

For me, it was the Romeo and Juliette type of thing. Someone who fell for me DESPITE the things that had to be sacrificed to have it. That look into your eyes and forget the world type of thing.
I always got the impression that it would be more superficial if they were flashy and aggressive. Though pursuing me wasn't a bad idea, so long as they had that dreamy neptunian kind of flavor about them. They didn't have to be that kind of person, just that kind of person with ME.

posted October 26, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Yes, he is like that too, re sacrificial love. Thank you, Muddy! You confirmed some things.

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posted October 26, 2014 04:20 PM            

I can relate cuz my duad, I think it is, is Virgo for Venus.

I am really sensitive to smells. I have smelled out a few gas leaks and am always right

I think, though, that they really want too much perfection in a partner.

That would make me nervous lol

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posted October 26, 2014 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yes, this kind of confirms why I didn't like flashy/aggressive women.
Although that's still a tough question. Just, maybe they liked attention from men. Maybe they just liked me, wanted my attention. Maybe it was a game to them. Maybe they were going to be bossy/controlling. All those types of things.

For me, it was the Romeo and Juliette type of thing. Someone who fell for me DESPITE the things that had to be sacrificed to have it. That look into your eyes and forget the world type of thing.
I always got the impression that it would be more superficial if they were flashy and aggressive. Though pursuing me wasn't a bad idea, so long as they had that dreamy neptunian kind of flavor about them. They didn't have to be that kind of person, just that kind of person with ME.

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yeah there is a clear line between aggressive and straightforward. I mean if someone said they liked him, and he said no thank you, and they kept at it he'd turn pretty cold. He has cut off friendships because of that.

For me, at the beginning, well I liked him first so I told him that. I enjoyed our conversations and I said so...etc... I sorta expected him to know the dating "games" pretty well... So pulling tricks would definitely have messed everything up.

posted October 26, 2014 04:28 PM            

Both I relate to!

DM - You got it! You've learned a lot about him over the 2 years. I think you pretty much have it.

posted October 26, 2014 04:49 PM            

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