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Topic: If an astrologer gives an advice which alters one's destination/fate, would that astrologer have to take the responsibility of altering their fate..
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 31, 2020 09:21 PM
Would the astrologer be responsible ? What do you think ? IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 741 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted January 31, 2020 09:26 PM
You are not responsible for any decision any other person makes. Regardless of any advice you give. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 31, 2020 09:28 PM
Hmm, but it can impact their life still..IP: Logged |
ithinkimightbewrong Knowflake Posts: 295 From: Registered: Nov 2018
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posted January 31, 2020 11:32 PM
one tarot reader said that's why they ask for money...it's like signing a contract that desolves them of responsibliity....it's admiting that you asked for this adviceIP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 01, 2020 12:42 AM
hmm for the answer, makes sense, I can see the point of even charging highly now, responsibility is a big thing lol, "u better pay me well!"IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1707 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 01, 2020 01:08 AM
If fraud was involved, for example, yes.It would be up to a legal judge's interpretation of the laws. If you are referring to spiritually, I don't think so because a will would be involved. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 741 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted February 01, 2020 09:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: If fraud was involved, for example, yes.It would be up to a legal judge's interpretation of the laws. If you are referring to spiritually, I don't think so because a will would be involved.
That's what I was thinking. Everyone has free will but, if you're deliberately deceiving someone that would be on you, just your own act of manipulation, the other person is still responsible for how they react to that deception. IP: Logged |
Graham Knowflake Posts: 781 From: Registered: Apr 2019
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posted February 01, 2020 10:13 AM
When accounting for the current lifetime, the Soul need ask only "did I INTENTIONALLY (or knowingly) do harm to another".But ... whilst still in the current incarnation, we need to ask "will the Woke society in which I live condemn me for having given this advice to this vulnerable person?" … And what "vulnerable" means depends entirely upon which wall the politically-correct-police happen to be bouncing off at the time. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 01, 2020 11:23 AM
quote: And what "vulnerable" means depends entirely upon which wall the politically-correct-police happen to be bouncing off at the time.
My Gemini Moon appreciates that tidbit IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 01, 2020 11:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dons2angelss: That's what I was thinking. Everyone has free will but, if you're deliberately deceiving someone that would be on you, just your own act of manipulation, the other person is still responsible for how they react to that deception.
If you're good enuf with it and the person is dumb enuf, the scales of responsibility might tip a bit, but then again the person holds the responsibility for being a dumba...so yeah I guess you're right TOO. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 269 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted February 01, 2020 01:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: If you're good enuf with it and the person is dumb enuf, the scales of responsibility might tip a bit, but then again the person holds the responsibility for being a dumba...so yeah I guess you're right TOO.
If you represent yourself as an expert in the subject, and somebody listens you because of it. Person aren’t dumb, but trusting here because you might be deceiving him. An astrologist should take responsibility not for somebody’s actions, but for his words. Otherwise, put a small print with a limited responsibilities stamp. Doctors are getting sued for minsdiagnosises. That’s why they often add that you might want to seek a second opinion.There are so many approaches and interpretations in astrology. Bunch of stories like somebody was told he's not gonna have children or die alone by immature astrologists who just looked at empty 5th and 7th houses. I could see how it might send somebody to therapy for years. So choice your words carefully. There’s a nicer way to say everything.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12750 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 01, 2020 01:39 PM
I feel were you are coming from...on one hand people need to own their decisions but on another hand as an expert this gives you a certain type of power that must be executed mindfully and carefully so the astrologer needs to be careful how he/she gives advice, how she presents information and if they talk about predictions of the future refer to these predictions as potentials not something that will happen for sure etc...This is why in any field were you have power like that is better to teach others how to make decisions for themselves and teach them to listen to their gut and consider all possible outcomes etc... IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4213 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 01, 2020 03:49 PM
No.An astrologer can only inform the free will of the native. It is the native's choice what to do. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1707 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 01, 2020 05:30 PM
"That's what I was thinking. Everyone has free will but, if you're deliberately deceiving someone that would be on you, just your own act of manipulation, the other person is still responsible for how they react to that deception." It happens.
Nowadays, we never know if a federal or state judge is sane (whole). For example, they don't have judge drug checks. It's do as I say, not as I do, mentality. MIAMI (AP) -- A South Florida woman who claimed to be a psychic fortune teller has been sentenced to three years and four months in prison for taking $1.6 million from a Texas woman to remove a curse from her family. http://foxsanantonio.com/news/nation-world/self-proclaim ed-psychic-fortune-teller-gets-prison-for-16-family-curse-scam IP: Logged |
manderin Knowflake Posts: 820 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 01, 2020 09:27 PM
Isn't there something in physics that says even just observing an object or sentient being, alters things for the thing being observed- even if they are unaware of being observed? I mean, if even just LOOKING at someone alters their destiny, I wouldn't worry about the other stuff. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 741 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted February 01, 2020 10:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: "That's what I was thinking. Everyone has free will but, if you're deliberately deceiving someone that would be on you, just your own act of manipulation, the other person is still responsible for how they react to that deception." It happens.
Nowadays, we never know if a federal or state judge is sane (whole). For example, they don't have judge drug checks. It's do as I say, not as I do, mentality. MIAMI (AP) -- A South Florida woman who claimed to be a psychic fortune teller has been sentenced to three years and four months in prison for taking $1.6 million from a Texas woman to remove a curse from her family. http://foxsanantonio.com/news/nation-world/self-proclaim ed-psychic-fortune-teller-gets-prison-for-16-family-curse-scam
I saw that case. It's really sad on both sides but, thats extortion. I see two scenarios here, One being the fortune teller scaring the crap out of this lady to get money Two, the lady believed she was cursed and sought out this psychic to help her and persued her help repeatedly. Either way, that's pretty much extortion and I don't think that's what the post was talking about. Everyone gives advice at one time or another and I'm sure you've sought it out yourself. The difference is you're providing a service, your astrological knowledge, and the person seeking that knowledge is the only one is in charge of using it or not. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1707 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 02, 2020 10:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dons2angelss: I saw that case. It's really sad on both sides but, thats extortion. I see two scenarios here, One being the fortune teller scaring the crap out of this lady to get money Two, the lady believed she was cursed and sought out this psychic to help her and persued her help repeatedly. Either way, that's pretty much extortion and I don't think that's what the post was talking about. Everyone gives advice at one time or another and I'm sure you've sought it out yourself. The difference is you're providing a service, your astrological knowledge, and the person seeking that knowledge is the only one is in charge of using it or not.
I agree. Here's an example of what I was referring to: The State Supreme Court judge in Brooklyn has been charged after prosecutors say she tried to help a now-convicted embezzler get away with stealing millions of dollars. Judge Sylvia Ash, 62, is currently the presiding judge of Kings County Supreme Court Commercial Division and has served as a state judge since 2006. http://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/eye-on-government/new-york-judge-arrested-in-alleged-connection-to-multi-million-dollar-scheme-8bcpYzA7cEq-FQYz77gZtg
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Ayelet Moderator Posts: 3230 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 02, 2020 02:47 PM
None of the two astrologers, one palmist and one tarot reader I went to ever given me a good advice. I tried their suggestions only to discard them soon enough, or else didn't even bother. If someone assumes the position of an authority, s/he has responsibility for the influence s/he exercises upon another human being. This aside of that person's responsibility for his/her own actions A good advisor will not determine what's good for someone, but will direct / help that person find the answer within himself/herself, using the tools s/he has. There are so many ways to interpret astrological data, and in my opinion it is ignorance to assume that only because you are an astrologer, you know more about the native than the native knows about himself/herself.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 02, 2020 08:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I feel were you are coming from...on one hand people need to own their decisions but on another hand as an expert this gives you a certain type of power that must be executed mindfully and carefully so the astrologer needs to be careful how he/she gives advice, how she presents information and if they talk about predictions of the future refer to these predictions as potentials not something that will happen for sure etc...This is why in any field were you have power like that is better to teach others how to make decisions for themselves and teach them to listen to their gut and consider all possible outcomes etc...
Hmm, if you are convincing enuf, some are I think one would be able to literally manipulate thsir actions, ... so I was of the thought line that you'd be responsible right right ? The most an astrologer can do is to show them how to read charts though I figure in the case of literally teaching them how to decide for something and the other one "gut" feeling cannot be taught, like you can teach but more like it is way independent right ?? IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 02, 2020 08:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by manderin:
I mean, if even just LOOKING at someone alters their destiny, I wouldn't worry about the other stuff.
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 02, 2020 08:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ayelet: None of the two astrologers, one palmist and one tarot reader I went to ever given me a good advice. I tried their suggestions only to discard them soon enough, or else didn't even bother. If someone assumes the position of an authority, s/he has responsibility for the influence s/he exercises upon another human being. This aside of that person's responsibility for his/her own actions A good advisor will not determine what's good for someone, but will direct / help that person find the answer within himself/herself, using the tools s/he has. There are so many ways to interpret astrological data, and in my opinion it is ignorance to assume that only because you are an astrologer, you know more about the native than the native knows about himself/herself.
Hmm, I remember my first ever astrology reading, it was done by Kannon lol back in 2010, TY Kannon. The tarot readers have been dang true. I haven't been given any advices so far, just possibilities I reckon, but the tarot ones were very good at pinpointing the position of the event. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 02, 2020 08:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: [QUOTE]Originally posted by anonymidarkness: [b] If you're good enuf with it and the person is dumb enuf, the scales of responsibility might tip a bit, but then again the person holds the responsibility for being a dumba...so yeah I guess you're right TOO.
If you represent yourself as an expert in the subject, and somebody listens you because of it. Person aren’t dumb, but trusting here because you might be deceiving him. An astrologist should take responsibility not for somebody’s actions, but for his words. Otherwise, put a small print with a limited responsibilities stamp. Doctors are getting sued for minsdiagnosises. That’s why they often add that you might want to seek a second opinion.There are so many approaches and interpretations in astrology. Bunch of stories like somebody was told he's not gonna have children or die alone by immature astrologists who just looked at empty 5th and 7th houses. I could see how it might send somebody to therapy for years. So choice your words carefully. There’s a nicer way to say everything. [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah I've found there are some who do not have any bone that a skeptic or an atheist would have plenty of inside them ... IP: Logged |
Ayelet Moderator Posts: 3230 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 03, 2020 04:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Hmm, I remember my first ever astrology reading, it was done by Kannon lol back in 2010, TY Kannon.The tarot readers have been dang true. I haven't been given any advices so far, just possibilities I reckon, but the tarot ones were very good at pinpointing the position of the event.
Ok. Awesome. Point is, if they TELL you what to do by assuming authority based on their knowledge, they do have responsibility if they lead you the "wrong" way or interfere with your free will. They don't hold the responsibility for your actions, but for their influence upon those actions. All in all, it seems like you had good experiences. May I ask where does this question stem from, then?
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 13546 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2020 04:54 PM
My mother saw a palm reader, before we moved back over here. She checked the palms of us kids, too, just to confirm that she saw "a lot of international travel".That was the last time that I was on a plane - just weeks after that reading. She predicted marriage dates/ages for us, and she was wrong: I'm still unmarried, and my sister was married much later than predicted. Another psychic reading, for health, was wrong. The only person to get anything right, was someone at a spiritualist church in the Sacramento area, when we first moved there. We sat in a circle, on chairs, and put something personal in a large bowl. I put a piece of jewellery in there. I can't remember what was said, when she took mine out of the bowl, and read, but I wouldn't have minded going back. When I first saw this thread, I thought "No, they aren't responsible" but if someone like that is acting like a doctor, then I would say maybe. A cousin of mine survived cancer (and the treatment). The following year, when she was in pain again, she put off getting a scan. Then she had a psychic reading with someone who would dispense homeopathic and herbal remedies, and this person said outright, no, her cancer wasn't back, that it had something to do with polio, or the vaccine - something had happened to her bones, and it had been released into her body. This person said something that had her arguing with her mother about this, something that supposedly caused it. She followed instructions, and put off getting a scan. She eventually did get it, the cancer was back, and she died that August (2011). She was 40 years old. So, in that case, I think they're partly responsible, but they can just say that it was her own choice to not get the scan. That said, the allopathic treatment almost killed her the year before. I still think they shouldn't have been dispensing medical advice like that. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7683 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 05, 2020 01:03 PM
^ Damn! Thats one reason I am wary of asking psychics/reader..IP: Logged |