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Topic: Declinations (beginner)
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 24, 2015 05:14 PM
I'm just beginning today to study Declinations. I read Kannon's page on them. http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/ They make perfect sense to me. I also remember a discussion on LL about only using 2-3 degree orb for them. I would love to learn more about them! I'm wondering though: Is there a chart that can be used for declinations? Not a birth chart but maybe a list chart of what degrees of each sign equal what degree North or South? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4903 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 24, 2015 09:57 PM
Thanks for reading and linking, DopGang. I have just updated that page today with more information at the bottom (also today's blog post).To answer, I don't there is what you are asking for. Instead, I recommend you use astro.com instead of other online chart calculating services. When you come to the page with the chart image, click on the link right above the chart, "Additional tables (PDF)". This data sheet will show you the declination positions of all the planets and points and you can match them up. Best to use around 1* orb, not 2-3. ------------------
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aleenaxo Knowflake Posts: 439 From: Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 24, 2015 10:38 PM
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 25, 2015 06:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Thanks for reading and linking, DopGang. I have just updated that page today with more information at the bottom (also today's blog post).To answer, I don't there is what you are asking for. Instead, I recommend you use astro.com instead of other online chart calculating services. When you come to the page with the chart image, click on the link right above the chart, "Additional tables (PDF)". This data sheet will show you the declination positions of all the planets and points and you can match them up. Best to use around 1* orb, not 2-3.
Oh! Der! I believe you said that on your page. I'm definitely going to spend some time looking at this one in all kinds of charts! Thanks!
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 25, 2015 06:33 AM
So interesting! I'll never look at astrology the same! In longitude/latitude I have Uranus/moon and sun/Jupiter aspect. In declination it's moon/Jupiter and sun/Uranus. Mercury/mars absolutely my strongest aspect. Conjunct in both lat/long and declination - parallel. (In Virgo) Wow! I'm discovering things in synastry too! This has changed the game completely! IP: Logged |
Bluejay Knowflake Posts: 824 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 25, 2015 12:44 PM
^ I like that picture@Kannon, Are declinations equally important in the composite chart? In a composite with someone I have Sun(0*8N), Venus(0*53N) and Mars(0*22S) all conjunct within 3 degrees, and all parallel/contra-parallel. I guess the Venus and Mars would be a bit wide. Actually, would Sun and Mars be considered parallel since they are at 0 degrees? In synastry every planet except for my Moon forms at least one parallel or contra-parallel aspect, so I've been paying a lot more attention to these aspects. There's just very limited information on declinations aside from your website. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4903 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 25, 2015 01:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by aleenaxo: Kannon I loved reading your site I'm definitely hooked on researching this!! Especially the visuals. The only thing is you said Pluto has an elliptical orbit when all planets have an elliptical orbit! It's one of Keplers Laws in physics.
Indeed. And thanks for mentioning it. On a page explaining declinations Pluto's more elliptical orbit is actually irrelevant. So I changed the text. The animation image, however, does make the point about its eccentricity from the celestial equator.
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aleenaxo Knowflake Posts: 439 From: Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 25, 2015 01:40 PM
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Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 2665 From: Pandora's Box Tech Registered: Mar 2015
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posted July 25, 2015 01:54 PM
DopGang When you generate a chart on astrodienst you have "Additional tables (PDF)" above it. You open it and you get a list/lists with placements and then aspects. In that list there's a column called Declination, it's the last one. You can look for parallels and contra-parallels there.Kannon McAfee What do you think about these parallels involving angles? Node/Vertex to angle or angle to angle, calculated points only (I've already noticed you work with angle to planet at least). ------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4903 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 25, 2015 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bluejay: ^ I like that picture@Kannon, Are declinations equally important in the composite chart?
Yes, if it is a relationship you are already in. Personally I use composite charts only for those in marriage or cohabiting. Otherwise, for potential relationships, I use synastry so that the points considered are anchored to the individual's birth charts. quote:
In a composite with someone I have Sun(0*8N), Venus(0*53N) and Mars(0*22S) all conjunct within 3 degrees, and all parallel/contra-parallel. I guess the Venus and Mars would be a bit wide. Actually, would Sun and Mars be considered parallel since they are at 0 degrees?
Two planets within a degree of each other, but on opposite sides of the celestial equator (one north, one south) would technically be a contra-parallel, but is an especially strong aspect. quote:
In synastry every planet except for my Moon forms at least one parallel or contra-parallel aspect, so I've been paying a lot more attention to these aspects. There's just very limited information on declinations aside from your website.
One thing you can do is search using the name "KT Boehrer" and see what you come up with if you chase many pages of results. She was, as she termed herself, the declinations lady. Unfortunately her book Declinations, The Other Dimension seems to be out of print and/or unavailable. AFA does not have it. Please, let me know if you discover otherwise. I'd love to have a crack at getting a copy of anything authored by KT Boehrer. She was a phenomenal lady, independent thinking, and ahead of her time. e-book: The Powerful Declinations - by John Willner - only $2.99 at AFA's store https://www.astrologers.com/product-list - If that link doesn't get you there, then just search in their store for "Willner" and it should come up. Willner's The Rising Sign Problem is actually also a good book for learning more about declinations, an advanced book with 36 chart examples. These sites come up on top of mine in the search for "astrology declinations", ... Astrologer.com has a good page for beginners giving credit to KT Boehrer for the work she did on this. Unfortunately the images aren't coming up in my browser (chrome): http://www.astrologer.com/aanet/pub/journal/declination-for-beginners.htm Cafe Astrology has a declinations page that is pretty good, and lists example interpretations for parallel aspects from Sun through Jupiter: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html Alice Portman has a page on declinations, but I think there's some confusing information there, but some good illustrations. http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ Moontracks.com has a page on declinations that uses charting software to plot wave lines for the movements of planets in declination. http://www.moontracks.com/declinations.html Personally I am not a fan of using a separate program for declinations alone, but each to his own. I'd appreciate more clicks on my Declinations page to boost it in the search engines if you would be so kind: https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/ Also, I'm adding illustration content on an ongoing basis, and recently added two illustrations, one involving the chart of Jim Carrey. Beware of information that makes false equivalence between declination and antiscia. That is not eqivalency, but rough approximation that cannot determine parallel or contra-parallel aspects reliably. Same for programs that supposedly convert declination to zodiacal longitude. Useless, because we already know the zodiac positions very easily by looking at basic astrological charts. And those conversions are only accurate for the Sun and Ascendant. The further out you go planet-wise, the less reliable such conversions from declination to longitude/zodiac are, because of planetary variance from the celestial equator. Once you get to Pluto, not reliable at all. There is no 'cheat' method of learning declinations. No tricks or gimmicks. We have to train ourselves to handle more information. It can be a struggle, but is worthwhile.
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Bluejay Knowflake Posts: 824 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted July 25, 2015 03:42 PM
Wow! Thank you Kannon for all of the links. I guess declinations are not that complicated, but I'm a visual person, and I have difficulty picturing how it actually looks in space. The graphic on your website helps me understand it a lot better.Also, that's a really cool video on your website showing the actual movement of the planets around the sun. It's hard to believe that we're all speeding through space around a giant fireball right now. About declination vs antiscia...In my chart my Aquarius AC and South Node are conjunct and parallel, and they are also square and parallel my Scorpio Sun. In this case they are all parallel, and my Sun falls on the antiscia of my AC and South Node. I believe that you pointed out that this is because they fall in near the middle of fixed signs. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4903 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 25, 2015 05:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bluejay: About declination vs antiscia...In my chart my Aquarius AC and South Node are conjunct and parallel, and they are also square and parallel my Scorpio Sun. In this case they are all parallel, and my Sun falls on the antiscia of my AC and South Node. I believe that you pointed out that this is because they fall in near the middle of fixed signs.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 26, 2015 10:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'd appreciate more clicks on my Declinations page to boost it in the search engines if you would be so kind: https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 26, 2015 10:57 AM
I'm learning so much! I stumbled across some of those links but will check out that book asap! EDIT: purchased! $2.99 - come on! Plus antiscia! This is the stuff that interests me most. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 26, 2015 11:30 AM
Thanks for all the great information Kannon! I'm going to set a personal goal to be able to rectify my birth chart (and others) Hopefully I can get there some day. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 4903 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 26, 2015 03:50 PM
I have now updated the declinations page with better, clearer illustrations. https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/ Let me know if these clarify things. If anything is left unclear, I'd like to know so I can improve the illustrations or text. Thanks everybody. ------------------
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3194 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 26, 2015 05:10 PM
The magi chart confuses me but not to say others wouldn't get it. edit: I think I'm getting it combined with the animation at the top The Sept. 2015 equinox chart is awesome! That helps so much! That book has been helpful too. I'm half way through. IP: Logged |