posted October 06, 2015 06:21 PM            

I am a taurus woman with virgo rising and scorpio moon. ( just as an FYI )

My venus is in Gemini, in my 10th house. Its opposite neptune in 4th house ( sagg) and square Saturn in 1st house (Virgo).

Ive come to the realization that I have an incredibly hard time getting along with other women. Whether it be family, or coworkers ...doesnt matter. I have NO girlfriends. All my friends are gay men and the only people who find sympathy for me are older men.

Anyone have an ugly venus? what is your experience with women? I feel sad that I cannot have those lifelong sister type friendships with other women. Something about me just turns women against me and I have extremely low tolerance for needy, women who need constant compliments to make them feel better, while completely ignoring my needs.

posted October 06, 2015 07:59 PM            

We have some similar placements...

I have Venus opposite a Saturn/Neptune conjunction and also a scorpio moon.
I must admit I don't get along with women very well either. I think my problems come from my mom control freak behaviour. That just scarred me.

posted October 06, 2015 09:04 PM            

I also feel a lot of it is ,at least in USA, what I call "princess culture" where all younger women think about is themselves and how everyone has the duty to serve them...sorry, but it is not my duty to lift you up and compliment you constantly. All of this is one sided, as if I do not even exist.

Maybe because I grew up with a tough single parent I wasn't allowed to act like a princess, with daddy coming to my rescue and inflating general mediocrity into something "special".

posted October 07, 2015 05:33 AM            

If I do find some gal with similar tastes, I certainly don't go out of my way to be their fashionista girlfriend or part of a clique, but I do try to strike up conversation. If we mesh well, cool; you're my friend. I only have a handful of women I am friends with, but only because they're classmates from like 12 years ago during a time where I was in a "blooming" period when Neptune and Pluto were aspecting my Sun positively.

However, for some reason for some women, it always turns into a measuring contest, because she's solely out to gain attention from guys, whereas I just want to chill with them. She perceives me as a rival for the male attention, and it gets ugly.

posted October 07, 2015 07:11 AM            

My Moon squares Venus 0° and my Moon is also tightly conjunct Pluto. My Mom spent my childhood either emotionally abusing me or emotionally neglecting me, depending on her mood, and as soon as I was a teenager and she thought I could survive on my own, she physically abandoned me and moved to another country with her new husband. Unfortunately, that contributed to me having a hard time forming relationships with other women my entire life. I've always had a hard time trusting other women and it's very, very hard for me to open up emotionally to them or show any sense of vulnerability. It's like, subconsciously, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I've always gotten along better with males. I can relate strongly to what athenaia said in her post. It's not that I have anything actively "against" other women, either. It's just that relating(Venus) with females(Moon) is hard(square).

posted October 07, 2015 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
An ex who has a lot of trouble with women had a Virgo Venus, sextile Pluto and trine Uranus.

In fact, the only thing that stands out to me in her chart is moon square sun.

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Hmmm, could be that. I forgot I have that, too. My Moon squares Sun 1°.

I have a tight Sun-Venus conjunction tightly squaring a tight Moon-Pluto conjunction. The thing I'm wondering, though, is how much does the midpoint of all that energy factor into it? For me, the midpoint for the Sun/Moon, Sun/Pluto, Moon/Venus, and Venus/Pluto is in Leo, so I absolutely LOVE Leo energy. Leos love me, too. I think it's because I practically worship Leos and they love to be worshiped, so it works out great.

Since Leo is a masculine sign and I respond so well to it, I think that might play into me getting along better with males. I do notice that some of the trust issues I have with other females, I don't seem to have with Leo females, so I think that strong midpoint spot in Leo may be a factor in that. I'm not sure; I'm just batting around ideas right now.

posted October 07, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by tbelle:
Soltze-same here- my moon is in scorpio. last degrees, my IC on the cusp of Sagg. My mother was very controlling as well,had to walk on eggshells around her.

I have the same issues with jealousy as well. I hate to use that word, as I feel it makes me look like I have an inflated ego, but experience says otherwise.

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IC in Sag. I have the opposite: IC in Gem and MC in Sag LOL
I don't like to speak of jealosy either, since I'm not arrogant in the end of the day that's what's happening.
I'm actually liking to be around men. They're less complicated. Off course you can't talk about "girlie stuff" but I like doing those things by myself anyway.
I can see how your Venus in Aries won't work very well around female friends. You're probably very straight to the point with people and social subtleties might annoy you. Same here. But I have a Cancer Venus ;-)

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posted October 07, 2015 02:28 PM            

In my situation, I'm more so my own hindrance than being outcasted. I agree with EVERYTHING here. Women irritate the hell out of me!

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Oh this is a post that touches on something I've always struggled with. I have the same problem, and I too have an afflicted Venus (in Aries, in the 7th, as my sole fire singleton). However, as the comment above mentions, in classical astrology it's always the moon that's associated with mothers, other women, etc.

The structure of myself as a person is not in tune with the general female guidelines of sisterhood. This has been something that's distressed me my whole life, but I'm coming to terms with it. For example:

I do not like to gossip. I view the trait in bad taste, and even though a lot of gossip is pushed as "light-hearted", in good conscious I do not like to participate in it. No matter how you slice it, this is often viewed as a type of snobbery or superiority.

I don't like to discuss my boyfriend in a salacious manner with others. It's our own private business - that aside, I don't even like to complain about him to other people. Again, our business. When you're in a circle exchanging boyfriend "horror stories", to not participate is making yourself seem "above the fray" and therefore an Other

The key to building sisterhood is often small talk - your day, celebrities, general gossip, complaints about your day, your parents/siblings... if you find this inane, you will not make female friends in the average, run of the mill environment easily.

Oftentimes, when you're complimented by someone not quite on the "friend" level yet, you're supposed to deflect the comment instead of owning it and being grateful. If you're big on sincerity, this isn't going to work for you usually.

Asking a lot of questions about the other person. Hair, clothes, job, hobbies, children, diets, workout routines, showing them pictures on your phone featuring your pets. If these aren't up your alley, you get another X to check off on the list.

Usually a sisterhood comes in the form of groups. Group activities. Are you in line with groupthink, or do you like to think individually and rock the boat? Play devils advocate for the sake of intellectual stimulation? Or do you like to consult other peoples opinions to better tailor your own off of theirs? Yeah, exactly...

So that is to say... I feel you. I'm so sick of hanging out with men, my God just shoot me. I would die to have a great girlfriend, I'm just so not aligned with aforementioned qualities it's pretty hard.

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posted October 07, 2015 02:52 PM              

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Oh this is a post that touches on something I've always struggled with. I have the same problem, and I too have an afflicted Venus (in Aries, in the 7th, as my sole fire singleton). However, as the comment above mentions, in classical astrology it's always the moon that's associated with mothers, other women, etc.

The structure of myself as a person is not in tune with the general female guidelines of sisterhood. This has been something that's distressed me my whole life, but I'm coming to terms with it. For example:

I do not like to gossip. I view the trait in bad taste, and even though a lot of gossip is pushed as "light-hearted", in good conscious I do not like to participate in it. No matter how you slice it, this is often viewed as a type of snobbery or superiority.

I don't like to discuss my boyfriend in a salacious manner with others. It's our own private business - that aside, I don't even like to complain about him to other people. Again, our business. When you're in a circle exchanging boyfriend "horror stories", to not participate is making yourself seem "above the fray" and therefore an Other

The key to building sisterhood is often small talk - your day, celebrities, general gossip, complaints about your day, your parents/siblings... if you find this inane, you will not make female friends in the average, run of the mill environment easily.

Oftentimes, when you're complimented by someone not quite on the "friend" level yet, you're supposed to deflect the comment instead of owning it and being grateful. If you're big on sincerity, this isn't going to work for you usually.

Asking a lot of questions about the other person. Hair, clothes, job, hobbies, children, diets, workout routines, showing them pictures on your phone featuring your pets. If these aren't up your alley, you get another X to check off on the list.

Usually a sisterhood comes in the form of groups. Group activities. Are you in line with groupthink, or do you like to think individually and rock the boat? Play devils advocate for the sake of intellectual stimulation? Or do you like to consult other peoples opinions to better tailor your own off of theirs? Yeah, exactly...

So that is to say... I feel you. I'm so sick of hanging out with men, my God just shoot me. I would die to have a great girlfriend, I'm just so not aligned with aforementioned qualities it's pretty hard.

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These might be cultural issues rather than universal gender issues...

posted October 07, 2015 03:00 PM              

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Never said it was universal - I grew up in Los Angeles so I can only speak on that of course

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posted October 07, 2015 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
yeah! Just move! nyc, London, Toronto, Chicago, Moscow, even the American South- chics are awesome, and really...true friendship with more than one person is uncommon. Two or three really good friends- you're lucky!

But I don't want to be annoying. I'll jump off this thread.

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