posted January 07, 2016 12:42 PM            

I have my NN in Aries(11th), in the 10th house (cusp is at 29° of Pisces), which I think is a good placement to have leadership qualities, I also have my Moon and Mars in Capri, 8th and 7th house respectively, Uranus, Neptune and Fortune, 7th house, Saturn in the 6th house, all in Sagi, all planets are Rx.

My 11th house is empty, but I think any placement here could be important for leaders.
What do you think?

posted January 07, 2016 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Boss--lots of Cap
Leader- lots of Sag

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I was thinking this as well, but deliberating on whether or not to say as much.

I don't know if I've ever had a Cap supervisor, but my favorite supervisors (the ones who make the place a fun and rewarding place to work) have always been Sag Suns.

posted January 07, 2016 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Boss--lots of Cap
Leader- lots of Sag

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Off the cuff, I would say Aries more than Sag. Both pictures are expressions of cardinal energy.

posted January 07, 2016 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Off the cuff, I would say Aries more than Sag. Both pictures are expressions of cardinal energy.

Sag is more likely standing off to the side with me, the Gemini, having a discussion on the merits of moving the thing and how best to achieve it and the need to use manual labor at all in the post-industrial age... lol!

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Actually, now that you mention it, my last supervisor was a Gemini Sun, and that woman kicked some serious @ss.

She had the perfect blend of compassion, empathy, and an absolute, unmistakable "don't f*ck with me" energy. She was completely dedicated to her job, and very fair with employees. But once you crossed her, that was it.

I thought she was awesome.

However, I suspect that she had some Virgo (maybe Cancer) and definitely some strong Pluto in her chart.

posted January 07, 2016 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Both pictures are expressions of cardinal energy.

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Excellent point.

posted January 07, 2016 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Excellent point.

This may not be a popular opinion.
My personal experience with Libra, of which I've had relationships with, worked with past and present, is that they are "bossy". They do both but seem to rely more on the "boss" end of it and "lead" as a last resort.
To all the Libra out there. I love you. I really do. But I couldn't work for you.
It changes a little here and there with each person and each chart but overall that's been my experience with that cardinal sign.

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posted January 07, 2016 05:27 PM            

On the other hand, I could never be someone's employee again, I'm not good at taking orders, that could be my Uranus.

posted January 07, 2016 05:45 PM            

Though going by that pic, I have a hard time seeing a leader as being like a boss. Bosses are much more...oh, what's the word? Political, but not ideological, that is it's about brown nosing the right people and things like that (and expecting the same treatment by inferiors as they advance, all part of paying one's dues). One generally wouldn't be an employee of a leader, either...one would actually be more of a cohort, follower, or henchman instead, which could mean pay (especially in profit enterprises--in which case I see a leader as more criminally inclined, though it's possible to buck the system legally as well), but probably more like a cut or share or something more informal (assuming it's a factor at all). If a leader were to become a boss, they'd likely rise in the ranks very slowly with someone else taking credit for their good while blaming them for the bad, and leaders wouldn't have as much time to mix with the "right people" to advance their career or be yes-men to their superiors like the bosses (which would further hinder their advancement in a standard bureaucratic organization like a corporation or military where bosses rule rather than leaders).

posted January 07, 2016 08:03 PM            

I've come to understand it's hard to be both.
Providing there is a following, anyone can be either one.

I also believe they are inter related and if you have a bad impression of either one, a leader will turn into a boss and vice Versa.

Personally I can say I lead and boss of myself all the time. It wasn't always like this, and I can only define I chose my own path and the affects were I thought I was a leader sometimes and a boss at other times, probably while being a slave also.

I didn't realize the impact I may have had. Once I did, I take the cards that are dealt, so to say... All I can say is be careful when you take on any role with people, regardless how minuscule they might seem, even if role is placed in you its for a reason, and you are responsible.

Sooo.... To be either one to me is to simply be aware of your actions and responsibilities. If you go about searching for this... I wish you well. If its placed on you, I wish you even better.

I also don't know a soul that at one time or another hasn't been in such a position in one way or another.
I don't mind following somone who I can learn from, but if I only un learn from them they will never lead or boss me, regardless of what it is - I've risked that... Can you?(hypothetically).

The pics posted to me represent no color in sense that they both are willingly working together. This is neither my idea of a leader or a boss, in sense of pics. I would never pull that nor would I ever want someone to pull that weight either.... After that still what if they encountered enemies representing this..whether animal or people. That is the true test. No way can the pusher or throne sitter ever get back to life after real life has happened.

Oh, and astrologically I find Mercury and rising have a great deal to do with even getting to this point.

posted January 07, 2016 08:24 PM            

I like the pic.

Well I am Virgo 2x, with Cancer on 10th, Virgo intercepted and 3 planets in Leo, Saturn sq asc
In my youth many times with no intention at all to do so, I went from new guy to running the crew. I never really got why it happened. Attention to detail and honesty and maybe guts because I did not care if I kept that job, I would challenge what I thought was stupid way to do something. I often took initiative.
I guess it is the Leo part of me, or at least that is the general consensus, and inhibition energy of Saturn sq asc kept me balanced.
any ahole can be trained to be a boss , but being selected because others found you follow-able is not the same thing
"In the 80s building houses in Austin a person could say FU to his boss and get hired
across the street before he had loaded all his tools back into his truck" Thus I developed a tude.

posted January 08, 2016 09:50 AM            

My Pisces best friend has advanced ways of thinking about things, but there is nothing to follow, because I can't actually do what she does. However, if she wants to make a plan, I trust her and happily take the back seat. However, she refuses to acknowledge there is a back seat and frames the discussion & project like we are equals, asking my advice on little details to keep my ego protected. LOL

posted January 08, 2016 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
What exactly makes Cap. the boss?

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Well, for instance I say, "You need to pick up your toys."

*no response*

"I repeat, pick up your toys."

*crickets*

"YOU ARE GOING TO PICK UP YOUR TOYS NOW. "

posted January 08, 2016 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well, for instance I say, "You need to pick up your toys."

*no response*

"I repeat, pick up your toys."

*crickets*

"[b]YOU ARE GOING TO PICK UP YOUR TOYS NOW. "

And then they do it. Easy peasy![/B]

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posted January 08, 2016 10:35 AM            

Occasionally I take that approach, make a game of it, and it goes much faster & happier.

posted January 08, 2016 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
LOL, but I know the smarter thing is to just make it seem fun...teach them it's fun.

Occasionally I take that approach, make a game of it, and it goes much faster & happier.

But I don't know what it is in my chart that makes me a good teacher, whenever I am one.

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Yeah, absolutely...! Kids are a whole other story. Here's a parent that makes 'em love getting ready for school. (See Jonathan Brill's answer). Such tactics are awesome.

https://goo.gl/mVbd9r

posted January 08, 2016 10:57 AM            

It's hard to hold on to a vision when involved with the day-to-day issues of being a Boss. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

For instance, I happen to know someone who (acc. to me), is both. He's a Virgo with Leo moon and Scorp Mars. He smells BS a mile away and no-one can put one over him. He combines the fire moon's vision and idealism with the Virgo sun's attention to detail. Translation: Although he's top brass, he can see all the way down to the tiniest detail that other people at his level wouldn't be bothered with.

posted January 08, 2016 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Off the cuff, I would say Aries more than Sag. Both pictures are expressions of cardinal energy.

Sag is more likely standing off to the side with me, the Gemini, having a discussion on the merits of moving the thing and how best to achieve it and the need to use manual labor at all in the post-industrial age... lol!

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Ehh...I disagree respectfully. Although Aries can get through a task better than others, their one directional energy and quickness to anger doesn't make a good leader. People dont usually work for the job--they work for other people. A Sagittarius has everything it takes. They bring livlineness to the work place, keep an upbeat attitude, and at their most evolved can judge fairly. Their competitive, overachiever tendencies usually keep them at the top of the ranks, and they expect everyone else to keep pace. Since they're the teachers of the zodiac, they're skilled when it comes to training as well.

posted January 08, 2016 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Ehh...I disagree respectfully.
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And so it shall be.

Best boss I ever had was a Taurus. Worst was a Sag. Way too rules and regulations bossy. But I never did the Sag's chart so it could just be something else in her chart. Or in mine...

posted January 08, 2016 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

Just goes to show there's more than 12 kinds of people in the zodiac.

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posted January 08, 2016 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well, for instance I say, "You need to pick up your toys."

*no response*

"I repeat, pick up your toys."

*crickets*

"[b]YOU ARE GOING TO PICK UP YOUR TOYS NOW. "

And then they do it. Easy peasy![/B]

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I guess I'm of the other Cap persuasion... the more devious one...

You forget to study, I forget to feed you...