posted August 13, 2020 06:44 AM              

If you’re curious about my context, I’ve detailed some of what’s going on for me there: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/026015.html
My question is how do you differentiate behaviours you have outgrown that you must part with, following Pluto’s guidance, and what are your bones and marrow, just you? As much as I love Pluto, it can’t be taken so literally about everything, like anything else in astrology, there has to be some limit to which things apply, some way to discern what is included and what is not…

I feel I’ve spent a life in therapy learning you don’t change people so I’d accept and forgive and move on, and now it seems it only applies to others, that I *have to* change and I’m not opposed to it, one massive thing happening during this Pluto transit has that flavour and I want it, difficult as it is, it’s about time, I’ll take that, but some of the things that have happened feel more like my Uranus square sun/ASC issues and those I’ve tried to change so much, only to fail, I thought I had accepted that but if this is what Pluto desires to change then I know no amount of difficulty will do, I’ve already lost that fight. So basically, yep, how do you differentiate long enshrined behaviours from who you actually are so that you know which category you’re working with during a Pluto transit, because getting rid of long held toxic pattern? Tough but good. Getting rid of your soul? Tougher, not even good.

posted August 13, 2020 02:55 PM            

It was a period that was clearly marked by two phases as described by Robert Hand in his book Planets in Transit: (a) breakdown/destruction of some life elements, at least psychologically; (b) recovery and healing.

The transit challenges your certainty of your life foundations, purposes, and how you are using your inner power. The period will also be colored by the other outer planet transits you experience during this one.

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My question is how do you differentiate behaviours you have outgrown that you must part with, following Pluto’s guidance, and what are your bones and marrow, just you?

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Don't try to figure it out in your head.

It's what empowers you inside. It's not an external measure, of course. It's about what allows you to consolidate your energies, cultivate peace and deep strength/confidence. Most people really have not develop the Pluto energy internally at all. Some martial artists have; some healers and mystics have; most people mistake Pluto for the more martial/saturnine urges for control/dominance, an external power play.

My experience during Pluto square natal Pluto brought me back to energy as the basis of life and healing.

I think the beginning of it is the willingness to let go and practicing it often. When we let go of emotions, grudges, feelings, investments we don't need, what remains under it all is the core of who we are.

As to health, the Pluto drive is to get to the bottom of it, the root cause. That can be an intermesh of things, something complex. But dealing with things at depth, not superficial try-this-try-that-for-a-while approaches.

The world is battling through Saturn-Pluto business right now. Don't take any cues from that stuff as to what Pluto really means. That is a battle for control. Totally different from the internal empowerment of Pluto that is the god-seed in you, root of intuition, wisdom, etc.

posted August 13, 2020 07:17 PM              

I never think of Pluto as control of others and such, I identify it in others in those terms, like the toxic co-worker who partially cost me the job, my father's obsession with my mother... when it comes to me, the times when I think of Pluto are more physical and inner indeed, it's how I feel after I've decluttered and let go of clothes or objects I held on to for years without really having a use or deep reason for. It's that feeling of lightness that something that used to feel so important, was actually just heavy and now is gone for the better leaving room and energy for other things. Coherently enough I'm planning a massive decluttering as soon as I've secured rent, the idea is also to not be such a slave to rent in the long run, less things to move, moves made more easily, just being lighter, simpler, is something I crave and am very much willing to work for it by stopping to hoard so much "just in case". So that's a big fat check in the willingness to let go column, along with the weight lost the past months (one bad illness symptom is unexpected weight gain regardless of diet and lifestyle, it has hurt me very deeply, taking dance away from me for years but I've become better at riding those storms and still believe one day I can outrun the ill and get back to my stable dancing weight before the next flare up, somehow I've been so much more focused on getting rid of things than getting a healthier body... it seems to be a better approach, more anchored in the now and it allows me to do, something my hamster wheel needs otherwise I can live trapped up in there and it does not work for me as glittery and cosy as I made that room for me 😊

When I saw 5 bloody years I felt "wow and I was whining my +2years is long" lol, I was going to say it would be a great time if it didn't happen right now with a precarious situation, but it's actually the best time, if not for having let go of something I loved because it came at too high a price, I would never have had the wake up call to cut the other toxic thing just because it came with a bit of reassuring comfort. I think I mistook comfort for safety for way too long and it's time to accept that I'm going to knit my own safety blanket instead of compromising my well being to benefit from one that comes from elsewhere.

Interesting you said that about health too as I was recommended by my GP to a specialist for some specific trial thing that's not about treatment or landing a specific diagnosis but just listing symptoms and taking them into account for what they are and their impact instead of discarding their effect and reality because they don't all belong to a single illness.

Thanks for mentioning Hand's book too, I like his writings on astro.com though it often feels a bit too vague about outer planets, I'll try and check that book.

As for the world, yep, don't like any of what's going on so not really paying too much attention in terms of trying to find resonance with me or else, it feels different than what I'm about, yesterday, today and tomorrow too probably.

posted September 04, 2020 01:24 AM            

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I was recommended by my GP to a specialist for some specific trial thing that's not about treatment or landing a specific diagnosis but just listing symptoms and taking them into account for what they are and their impact instead of discarding their effect and reality because they don't all belong to a single illness.

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This just-listing-and-mindfully-reviewing process could also be applied to your non-physical symptoms, Moonbeth - i.e.. your tendency to emit spontaneous rants.

posted September 04, 2020 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
She's gone, and can't respond to anything. Please don't.

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She will still be able to read the comment; consider it objectively and, if of value (as I believe it to be) act upon it. ...

posted September 04, 2020 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
She will still be able to read the comment; consider it [b]objectively and, if of value (as I believe it to be) act upon it. ...

... Thus, I still feel ethically obligated to make the comment - despite being aware that, in doing so, others will perceive me/my behaviour as "ugly, unkind and unwarranted".
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posted September 04, 2020 04:58 PM            

I am extremely uncomfortable with finding myself in this position/situation ... and regret any discomfort which adhering to my code of ethics has caused, or is causing, to others.