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Moonbeth
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posted July 30, 2020 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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teasel
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posted July 30, 2020 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I hope not, but I can understand your thinking. I've been there, under different circumstances, but have certain fears myself.

I have no idea what to say chart-wise, except that I think Mars is currently opposing your Saturn. That could lead to you wanting to take come kind of action, potentially drastic. Neptune is square your Neptune, and I think that transit had some of my friends feeling off-balance in some ways.

Pluto is one degree away from your vertex - that seems like it could contribute to your thoughts of literal rebirth. I'm not good with charts, so I can't read the SR mixed in, I'm sorry.

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posted July 30, 2020 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 05, 2020 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm doing better than I was, thanks. I meant to respond the other night, sorry. I'm still sometimes waking up, thanks to an anxiety attack, but okay otherwise.

I can relate a bit to what you wrote above, except that I'm not on my own (yet). I'm trying to sort myself out, but without thinking about it all too much (which would leave me unable to get out of bed again). I have a list of basic things that I need to do in the next month, then over the next few months, and am just trying to concentrate on that. I can't believe it's August, already.

I thought something was familiar about your chart. I made a new friend, and haven't really spoken to him that much, but he's a Capricorn, with the same Saturn/Pluto conjunction, exactly square his Sun (and directly opposed mine). He might be a Virgo moon, and has Venus in Aquarius, so the planets are flipped there.

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posted August 28, 2020 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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mirage29
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posted August 29, 2020 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy Birthday, Moonbeth! (SunVirgo6+)

Your SR ASC and DSC are found in your 3rd/9th Axis.
Learning, siblings/cousin~like folk, communications, journeys;
Communities near and far from you.

SR SUN is in the 11th, to your natal 1st.
11th is Networks, Associations, your dreams and ambitions. It's your "Team" .. the team that is strong for you.

SR Part of Fortune is in natal 7th, from SR 5th. Could be the support of Women coming to your life. Maybe join a Woman's Community?
Also represents lawyers, therapists, doctors, and anyone with a one-on-one relationship with you.

SR DC .. Vertex-Uranus.. Sudden opportunities? your 9th is a House of higher ed, long journeys? Explorations with SR Aries.
{Also of Judges and Courts.}

To back that up, SR NN GEMINI in SR 9th connects to your natal 10th. / SN SR 4th now.

Again... SR VENUS in Cancer.. outside your your natal 11th, and in the SR 9th conjunct SR MC .. hmm.
Venus to your 11th provides you with 'favor'. You attract friends who Care (cancer) and they may be females?


Your NATAL north node points to the 11th.
Groups, friends, your Team.

Just a hunch.. You'll find the associations and network you need to help settle you.

Do you work a job?
SR NN is pointing in the direction of Career?
You might consider relocation?

Maybe a kind of Community Living situation will arise,
and be of support.. Mutual support?
Your natal Saturn on the SR Ascendant, and with JUNO there, might also be suggesting of a 'community' situation. Saturn will be restrictive and help keep you Safe.

JUNO is Women. Women ... who stand up for others in a supportive situation. It's on the Fixed Star SPICA. .. One of the luckiest?

You have natal Neptune-JUNO.. in the 4th.
Again.. Women in an environmental setting.

Gently, if you are suffering to the degree of doing self in, you could wind up in front of a judge and be involuntarily committed? --- at that point, they might be able to get you INTO a guarded kind of care community to live there till this period of time is gone by.

Sometimes people just have a TRUE hard time.
Nothing wrong with going for the help.
They know places where you could be safe.

(I'm going to stop looking at the chart!! The more I look, the more I see.)

Have a Supportive and Productive Solar Year!!!!!

Much healing ...
Don't give up!

_________
Oh. Hi Teasel!
You are truly a support to folks here at LL.
Thank you.

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Graham
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posted August 30, 2020 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have a suggested interpretation for the 165-60-135 configuration created by transit Uranus, natal Neptune and natal Pluto?

And is it significant that SR Uranus is conjunct SR Vertex/opposite SR anti-vertex and exactly 108 degrees* from SR Pluto (which is square natal Pluto/semi-sextile natal Neptune)?

[* 108 degrees = 9/30ths of the 360deg circle = 30th harmonic aspect = 6th harmonic aspect x 5th harmonic aspect = "a developing talent" (6H) "for" (x) "inventing things" (5H)]

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242255.html

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Moonbeth
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posted August 30, 2020 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you @mirage29 for your wishes, observations and nice comments 😊😊😊

It would have been a pleasure to discuss your observations, provide insight and entertain the conversation (which I hope would have been interesting for the both of us 😝 lol), truly 😊 but I sadly apparently cannot post about my charts these days here without being followed, tracked down and gaslit (at least tried to, indirectly now after having been open and direct in the past) by a user Randall has already kindly asked twice to let me be.

I regret very much not having the freedom to reply to your lovely and interesting post how I felt like.


And yes, Teasel's heart is a gem 😍🤗😘

**********TO ALL**********

I advise EVERYONE please to NOT engage with Graham's fake astrology related questions on my charts, posts... as they are but a continuation of his harassment of me when I stopped engaging with him after I refused to bend to his will as he grossly over reacted to a line in a post of mine he misread.


Ignoring him didn't work.

Randall's intervention didn't work.

Time didn't work as he, with no permission or solicitation, has twice already unearthed old posts and redrawn charts without a line of courtesy about such intrusive behaviour.

Insulting him didn't work.

Randall's kind advice to stay away didn't work.

I don't comment on his posts. He will reply to this, come back, edit, play victim, turn my behaviour into a justification of his... make no mistake, he is abusive towards me and not to be trusted to simply stay away from someone he doesn't know nor understand.

I have my disagreements and preferences with users here just like anyone else, but I respect everyone's integrity, including their charts, Graham has not granted me the same. Please do the right thing and don't enable him, he spends enough time down there interacting peacefully with many, there is no need to pet his uncontrollably invasive, creepy and abusive behaviour towards my person.

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Graham
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posted August 30, 2020 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another ad hominem attack by Mrs. Jekyll, to avoid embracing her Mrs. Hyde.

Instead of shooting//"outing" the messenger, try addressing the message ... objectively. There is no need for me or anyone other than you to be involved - so why cut off your nose to spite your face?

In the meantime, I shall continue to adhere to my belief that astrologers have an obligation to focus upon what a chart owner needs to hear, rather than upon what he/she wants to hear. ... However, unpleasant it may be to be personally attacked for doing so.

And ... since you seem to me to be an excellent example of a 38-year-old child who "withdraws rather than embraces" difficult interactions with others ... please note the current discussion at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/235696.html

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Graham
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posted August 30, 2020 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, Moonbeth ... I see you have run away/"withdrawn" from yet another opportunity to discuss something that you need to hear but do not want to. (Sigh!)

And, low and behold, you leave behind on this thread only the comment that makes me appear to be attacking you. ... Thus, I replace the "toxic colleague" who "lost you your job"; the ******* manager who supported that co-worker and the "toxic parents" of your childhood/adolescence.

Hopefully though, Uranus will - in due course - awaken you/others to the truth ... whatever it may turn out to be.

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Graham
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posted August 31, 2020 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Moonbeth :-

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I advise EVERYONE please to NOT engage with Graham's fake astrology related questions on my charts, posts... as they are but a continuation of his harassment of me when I stopped engaging with him after I refused to bend to his will as he grossly over reacted to a line in a post of mine he misread.

And I advise EVERYONE to be aware that poor-me/victims (like Moonbeth) can "fool some people all of the time, all of the people some of the time ... but NOT all of the people all of the time".

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ChildofVenus
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posted August 31, 2020 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No it’s not please don’t I know we don’t know each other. But based on your posts you seem like a nice person. I always enjoy interacting with you. I think we all have been through this before.

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Graham
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posted August 31, 2020 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Readers of this thread should bear in mind that ... in the posts which she has since deleted, Moonbeth made it clear that she was NOT referring to suicide in the context of "taking her own life".

Her quoted topic of "SR20202021 is this the year I commit suicide?" refers only to Pluto's transformational process of (psychologically) destroying the person/chart-owner in order to raise them up from the ashes as the phoenix/new person.

However ... by deleting the comments here that clarified her attention-grabbing topic description ... it will now appear to some readers as though she is a woman on the verge of taking her own life - and I am adding to her problems, rather than attempting to increase her self-awareness.

Hence ... although I agree that the Mrs Jekyll Moonbeth is indeed a nice person, I believe the Mrs. Hyde Moonbeth has some very unpleasant qualities - and that this Mrs. Hyde Moonbeth becomes visible whenever she engages in her spontaneous fits of ranting.

Moreover ... and unfortunately for me ... after once asking her to reflect upon where her spontaneous ranting is coming from, I have been able to interact only with Mrs. Hyde Moonbeth.

So ... I am ok with the members here judging me by what they perceive to be my intentions ... but I am not ok with anyone judging me by what the Jekyll/Hyde Moonbeth perceives to be my intentions.

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posted August 31, 2020 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really hope you aren't going to harm yourself. If you are going through something talk to someone.

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mirage29
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posted September 01, 2020 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Moonbeth opened this thread the first sentences exclaimed how badly things were going in regards to her handling the Borderline personality disorder she is afflicted with. This was flaring up again, and she described some of the frustrations she felt.

She regularly deals with suicidal impulses and ideations, with intense mood swings, which are a struggle for persons suffering from this serious illness.

If you wish to understand more about 'BPD', visit this website to explore their materials.
- http://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Borderline- Personality-Disorder


If you like movies, you might remember the 1999 movie called "Girl Interrupted". The main character suffered from this disorder.
It is possible for people to gain some healing from this condition.

BOOK: Girl, Interrupted,
a 1993 memoir by Susanna Kaysen, whose title is a reference to Vermeer's painting.

MOVIE: Girl, Interrupted (film),
the 1999 film made as an adaptation of Kaysen's book.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl,_Interrupted_(film)

(topic) HBO First Look Making of "Girl, Interrupted" (1999)
[13:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlsVmhpJlY

starring Winona Ryder,
Angelina Jolie and Brittany Murphy,
Whoopi Goldberg, and others (see wiki url

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@Graham, you do excellent work. I find you to be very patient, clear, and utterly intelligent!
.. I appreciate your generous and valuable contributions here at LL.

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We have a help-thread with phone numbers, websites, and chat-room urls available for those who find themselves overwelmed at this time.

in LL's "Sweet Peas in the Rain" forum.
Topic: Global SUICIDE SUPPORT Directory
by Voix_de_la_Mer
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002629.html


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posted September 02, 2020 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by mirage29 :

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@Graham, you do excellent work. I find you to be very patient, clear, and utterly intelligent!
.. I appreciate your generous and valuable contributions here at LL.

Thank you for stating that on this thread, mirage.

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posted September 02, 2020 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by mirage29 :

Thank you for stating that on this thread, mirage.


I super-hope she feels better soon, and that life will take a beneficial Good Turn in her new Solar Year.
{{ }}

Make your default.. to LIVE, Always, through Whatever...

Hope the Pisces Full Moon was okay.

Song for the Inner Being ..
(music) I Want To Live (John Denver)
[3:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNQfvihsLI

Are you able to do any volunteer work?

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Moonbeth
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posted September 02, 2020 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Mirage,

I understand you're older, which is why I've given you one pass when you went condescending on me before, but it doesn't excuse you making serious allegations about my mental health just because you don't get figurative speech typical of my generation and/or write based on a shallow and misinformed half-arsed reading of what I wrote.
Plus, referring to me in the third person that way is very rude, someone your age ought to have acquired better manners if you had hoped to school the younger **** I am.


"to be borderline" is slang, like "being on edge", it does not literally revert to a DSM diagnosis or an actual edge, just like when someone says "I'm mad" they are not exposing a diagnosis or asking to be institutionalised. It just means about to, on the verge of, ex: "Jenny was very borderline yesterday about buying that pair of shoes" (spoilers, Jenny is super fine mentally, and she did go over and bought the retro boots in burgundy).
If I had meant to talk about the personality disorder, I would have used a capital letter and wrote "personality disorder" next to it. In the context of my post I used that term to express the crossroads feeling I was having as multiple massive endings happened in my life at once and all required crossing over to a new direction.

Your radically literal reading and dramatisation of my initial post after it was gone is very embarrassing (if not extremely manipulative and ret-conning, chill I do not expect you to understand that tv slang) and for the sake of people who actually suffer from personality disorders I hope you cease that type of flying off the handle that does not contribute positively to the conversation on mental health.

I had opened this thread hoping to have an adult, mature, non-stigmatised discussion about suicide in every meaning of the word, under the influence of Pluto, to which Teasel contributed with emotional humanity as well as intellectual understanding of who she was talking to.

Suicidal ideation is a specific clinical term for a process I have never experienced. It notably consists in reviewing suicide methods and projecting oneself into it in order to pave the way for acting on the suicide wish. It's a preliminary step to actually committing suicide for many people, whether they have suffered or have ever been diagnosed with a personality disorder.

I have never had a suicidal impulse, quite the contrary, I am known to be an overly cautious person, you may want to get to know people a wee bit if you're going to lie about them, you know, to make it convincing.


The first sentences of my post didn't contain exclamations.


The flare-ups I have mentioned on this site are those of my actual illness, Cushing- syndrome (paired with IBS), they include bowel pains, skin rashes, nausea, extreme fatigue, joint pains... naught to do with your utter extrapolation.

I have never had mood swings, ever, not even on my worse periods, again Mirage, those are some serious allegations based on your ideas only and being an anon online does not give you worldwide immunity, in my country we prosecute tarnishing someone's honour and integrity with words like this, even online.

Next time please separate allegations you dare make on someone's mental health from so-called prevention, if your buddy was so righteous you wouldn't have felt the need to question my mental health to give gravitas to your praise.

Finally, this isn't a world, just an astrology forum, and if you truly cared and practised what you preached you'd know one user who posted a while ago, expressing clear suicidal intention and never posted again despite many bumping and asking how she fared. But that's beneath you I imagine, you're a psychiatry expert only when it comes to trashing, not helping.
Hypatia has already called you out on your use of hearts and honey to mask the meanness of your words, you should've listened to her as your unmastered passive-aggressiveness fools none but those who want to be.


@ChildOfVenus I apologise for the worry my title, and most likely Mirage's post too, induced, I'm not contemplating suicide, it was not that kind of post, I am not 14 and in need of a hotline, all good. You take care darling, you're a sweetie 🤗

@Teasel lovely to meet you, don't hesitate to email 😊

@Randall Thank you for everything, please unregister me and close this thread.

quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
When Moonbeth opened this thread the first sentences exclaimed how badly things were going in regards to her handling the Borderline personality disorder she is afflicted with. This was flaring up again, and she described some of the frustrations she felt.

She regularly deals with suicidal impulses and ideations, with intense mood swings, which are a struggle for persons suffering from this serious illness.

If you wish to understand more about 'BPD', visit this website to explore their materials.
- http://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Borderline- Personality-Disorder


If you like movies, you might remember the 1999 movie called "Girl Interrupted". The main character suffered from this disorder.
It is possible for people to gain some healing from this condition.

BOOK: Girl, Interrupted,
a 1993 memoir by Susanna Kaysen, whose title is a reference to Vermeer's painting.

MOVIE: [b]Girl, Interrupted (film),
the 1999 film made as an adaptation of Kaysen's book.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl,_Interrupted_(film)

(topic) HBO First Look Making of "Girl, Interrupted" (1999)
[13:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlsVmhpJlY

starring Winona Ryder,
Angelina Jolie and Brittany Murphy,
Whoopi Goldberg, and others (see wiki url

___________________________________________________
@Graham, you do excellent work. I find you to be very patient, clear, and utterly intelligent!
.. I appreciate your generous and valuable contributions here at LL.

___________________________________________________

We have a help-thread with phone numbers, websites, and chat-room urls available for those who find themselves overwelmed at this time.

in LL's "Sweet Peas in the Rain" forum.
Topic: Global SUICIDE SUPPORT Directory
by Voix_de_la_Mer
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002629.html

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