posted July 19, 2023 02:52 AM            

He does enjoy antagonizing women sometimes. Sag Men can be like this at times and it does make you want to kick them in the nutz! Lol.

He has a little bit of a know-it-all God Complex. He's cocky, but it's the entertaining kind. Lol. I enjoy confidence in a man, so I don't completely hate this about him. As an Aries Woman, I know how to "check" a man's ego if he's getting too out of line. ♈️ So this doesn't concern me that much.

Andrew has his Scorpio Venus conjunct Pluto. So of course, he's a magnetic motherf**ker. From what I've seen, he's a HIGHLY territorial man who isn't letting you anywhere near his womenzzz! That kitty locked TF down. 😺

He has Mars in Pisces. I hate this placement in men, not gonna lie. Lol. He's unnecessarily sneaky about his actions, he guilt trips and can be passive-aggressive. Yuck! 🤣 The good news? His Mars squares his Sun & Moon so he does have BACKBONE. Saturn also squares his Mars and conjuncts his Sun/Moon! So dude has LOTS of endurance and willpower, which is coming in handy for him now.

So what do you make of Andrew's chart? What else jumps out at you?

I wish I knew his Rising Sign! What's your best guess?

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After just seeing this video below going viral as I type this, my perspective on Andrew has changed. 💯 So I have removed some of my prior comments from above. Had I known that he admitted to doing these EVIL things to women - I never would have given him the benefit of the doubt! Trust! He's a psychopathic POS as far as I'm concerned and is definitely GUILTY.

http://youtu.be/Swti0FIKQpk

See this next video. *These* are the types of interviews I'd watched of Andrew previously. Watch @ the 1:19:10 mark where he is asked what he thinks of Women. 🤷🏾‍♀️ I have NO PROBLEM with his answer here at all. I think most of what he says all throughout is pretty reasonable, actually. He's not coming across EXTREME. But seems rather calm, charming, confident. That's what makes him look batsh*t crazy now!! To see him go from talking like this... to him then spouting that predatory "pimp" talk from the first video above?? Absolutely sickening. So gross.

http://youtu.be/Cq4D4ZkDYT0

And it's a shame because part of his message is legit! 💯 Young Men DO need Masculine Guidance. Modern Women ARE indeed misled in certain ways. Cancel Culture IS problematic. But my God dude... own up to YOUR sins and apologize for YOUR mistakes instead of lying and going on a campaign to further deceive others. It's cowardly AF.

posted July 19, 2023 04:42 AM            

I suspect he has a fixed Rising sign. There’s a very fixed quality to him. He has his Venus and Mercury in Scorpio but I would expect one of his big 3 influenced by fixed energy as well. Either his Rising is fixed or his Rising ruler is fixed.

I could see him with a Taurus Rising, given his focus on objects. Also that would make his Scorpio Venus conjunct Pluto his ruler. Maybe around 3 pm? With his Venus and Pluto conjunct DC and his Sagittarius stellium in the 8th house. That would also put his north node in the 12th House of isolation and self undoing. In that case, there might be more jail time for him. These are not easy placements.

But maybe an Aquarius Rising is fitting as well. He’s very antagonistic and Aquarius fits that very well. Around 11:45 am? His Sagittarius stellium in the 10th house, his Venus and Pluto in the 8th house, his Mars and Jupiter in the 1st house, even Chiron in the 4th house seems fitting. His north node would then fall into his 2nd house which might support his desire to build more wealth. Especially that Mars in the first house seems like a good match, but I’m not to sure about Sagittarius Saturn conjunct Moon and Sun as his ruler.

posted July 19, 2023 05:25 AM            

However, I still don’t see that Sagittarius Saturn conjunct Moon and Sun as his ruler. But maybe someone else has an interesting insight on that.

posted July 19, 2023 05:43 AM            

I'm not in love with the dude or anything. Lol. I just find him fascinating.

I agree that he's much too obsessed with "status" and showing off. 💯 And it's like he's secure yet insecure at the SAME time, if that makes sense. He definitely has some wounds to work through.

But I do see good in him as well.

posted July 19, 2023 04:24 PM            

I have Mars in Pisces, and I don't see any point in being sneaky. He apparently came right out and said that he lived in Romania, because the police would overlook things? Be bribed? I can't remember. He was charged with rape, and human trafficking. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65959097

posted July 19, 2023 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
@PlutoWasHere - I like your guesses! 👍 I could see him as either of those 3. Especially Taurus (because he likes to dress nice) or Aquarius (because he's rather rebellious) for sure.

I'm not in love with the dude or anything. Lol. I just find him fascinating.

I agree that he's much too obsessed with "status" and showing off. 💯 And it's like he's secure yet insecure at the SAME time, if that makes sense. He definitely has some wounds to work through.

But I do see good in him as well.

Keep in mind, I've watched several of his long-form interviews (like the one with PBD) not just short viral clips created for controversy. And it's not easy to hold my attention for as long as he did! So that says a lot...

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posted July 19, 2023 04:40 PM            

His Moon is conjunct my Moon, Venus, and SN, square my Mars, sextile my Jupiter, and trine my Pluto.

His sun is trine my Ceres, Chiron, and Sun. His Venus conjunct my Sun/Moon and Sun/Venus midpoint in my first house.
Mercury trine my Jupiter, sextile my Jupiter, conjunct my anti-vertex.

It's a huge "nope", though.

posted July 19, 2023 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I can't stand him, and he's a really bad example for boys and men everywhere. Those men who do like him, I also wouldn't touch for any reason whatsoever.

I have Mars in Pisces, and I don't see any point in being sneaky. He apparently came right out and said that he lived in Romania, because the police would overlook things? Be bribed? I can't remember. He was charged with rape, and human trafficking. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65959097

What sort of transit comes with being arrested? That might help you with house placements. I don't think he values women at all.

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He’s making money of some pretty desperate men. He’s feeding their victim mindset and that does a lot of harm.

posted July 19, 2023 05:11 PM            

This woman mentions Chiron conjunct Lilith. I found this through a thread on lipstick alley, when I was searching for his chart.

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“Chiron’s close proximity to Lilith (destructive feminine) at 0 degrees in Cancer (women, mother, home) reveals difficult relationships with women and/or maternal figures as a result of social awkwardness or poor communication skills. These negative experiences with girls and women within his peer and familial circles could have manifested as sexual rejection/humiliation, abuse/bullying, and/or exploitation. As a result, Andrew became disaffected and disillusioned with the feminine. His adult years were productive as he transmuted the pain of these traumas to connect with and ‘heal’ other alienated young men, leading to immense popularity later on in life. With Gemini’s ruler, Mercury, placed in Scorpio (death, rebirth) at the same degree as his Chiron, Andrew successfully transformed himself by improving his presentation and communication skills; rebranding himself as a philosopher-healer-teacher of the damaged divine masculine.”

-The Wounded Gangster: Andrew Tate's Transits, The Celestial Compass (Article in its entirety is only available to Paid Subscribers of The Celestial Compass)

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posted July 19, 2023 05:14 PM            

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He’s making money of some pretty desperate men. He’s feeding their victim mindset and that does a lot of harm.

Uranus is in Taurus right now and that might be an indicator for shocking events. But maybe it’s Saturn that’s an important indicator here, as it represents karma and moved into Pisces (his Mars and Jupiter) in March of this year. He’ll have his nodal return in January 2024 and Chiron will conjunct his north node while Saturn hits his Jupiter in April 2024. He might hit a rough patch during this time.

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posted July 19, 2023 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
As his Saggy and Scorpio stelliums, I’m pretty sure he believes he is right. And his confidence is real as his chart has it.

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As real as his chart has it? Can you elaborate?

posted July 19, 2023 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

I have Mars in Pisces, and I don't see any point in being sneaky.

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posted July 19, 2023 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
I said that I cannot stand this placement in MEN. I can bear it more in Women.

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posted July 19, 2023 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And I was saying that he came right out and talked about why he moved to Romania. I wasn't dissing you. He has just been really open about his feelings. But he did lure girls to his home, so that would fit.

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I just updated my OP after seeing some despicable things from him that I hadn't previously. 😒

posted July 19, 2023 10:23 PM            

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As real as his chart has it? Can you elaborate?

He's more cocky than confident, I feel.

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posted July 20, 2023 02:37 AM            

People are so hungry for fame nowadays. They'll do just about anything AND say anything.And Andrea is no different.

I notice Uranus on his Sun. Shock tactics. A flash in the pan. Will fade out once he runs out of "shocking" things to say. Uranus influence often needs to mellow out if intent on sustaining.

Mars square Moon. Defensive and scared of anything "feminine" (Moon). Problems with women & (by extension) the acceptance of the "inner feminine". His fear of women is causing all to suffer.

Jupiter square Mercury. Exaggeration, big stories to tell. Twisting the narrative to fit own perspective.

Chiron sits on Mars by square. Feels he has something to "prove". Masculinity expression issues. I have said in another post how afflicted Moon and Mars(which is Andrea' s case are square to each other) have someone love combative/competitive sports. Andrea was once upon a time an MMA fighter (allegedly).

I dont trust that Moon in Gem- artful dodger. Changing goal posts. I recall reading a comment on one of his vids where some woman who is allegedly close to him said "Dont believe everything you hear and see about Tate. All is not as it seems". And I am more likely to believe that than ANYTHING that comes out of Andrea's mouth.

I know that Aries likes firestarters and "straight shooters". But this one is the worst example of such.Nothing sincere about him. Mars/Jupiter conj in Pis square Mercury. Mercury opposing Moon. Contradictory man with a big fantasy to tell.

Astro-charts lists his Asc as Aqua? The MC is 7 Sag. His natal Mars/Merc/Jup would be in aspect to this point. And that would make sense me. I find him very polarizing (Mars on the angle can do that).

Trans Saturn crossed his Mercury. He went to jail.Andrew influences people through talking. This would align to his Mercury conjunct his proposed Mc(public image). So it makes sense that when Saturn was square his Mercury/proposed Mc (direct) and Moon in Gemini (talk), we didn't hear much from him🤔

But Saturn is not finished with him yet. It will react with his Mars/Jupiter and continue on to his Saturn, Ura/Sun mix. This should be interesting.

Personally, I hope he just goes away.I find him exceptionally annoying. Not at all profound or intelligent. Just really verbose and shallow in his thinking☝🏿

Edit: I read your edited posts. I also think that the "viral" video and all the things that he has allegedly done to women is still for clout. I think his publicity machine wants to make him a "bada**" this for better or worse. It matters little.

I read comments of Taurus Asc? I disagree. Venus(Tau ruler) in Sco conj Plu would have him be more interested in esoteric /mystical stuff. That's not the case with Andrew.

posted July 20, 2023 10:51 AM            

Andrew is not a Gemini Moon. He was born on a Sagittarius New Moon.

With all due respect, many of you here did a disturbing analysis of Johnny Depp and unfairly made him out to be something that he truly wasn't when he was actually completely innocent. It was Amber who was the actual psychopath. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Do you feel that she was "controlled opposition" from the Left as well? I can't take the argument seriously if you're only going to call out Conservative trolls like Candace *while* you uplift and give a pass to Liberal puppets like Rachel Maddow. Period. I don't do hypocrisy.

I agree with much (not all) of your analysis on Andrew now that I've seen MORE of the vile things that he has admitted to. 👍 As a fellow Sagittarius w/ Scorpio Venus, I can see why you'd want to distance yourself from him as much as possible.

One of the primary differences between you and Andrew is that you seem to fear the idea of ever being "divisive" or polarizing people with an unapologetic stance. Maybe it's your Libra Mars? But I personally love that quality in a person. 💯 Does me being an Aries have something to do with that? Sure, that's quite possible. I do Like Firestarters. 🔥 But I like when people start fires with PURPOSE... not with reckless abandon. Andrew has done both the latter and the former.

He's both brilliant AND psychopathic. Similar to Marlon Brando. Brando was born on a New Moon (but in Aries) just like Tate. Ego & Instincts in complete alignment with no care for outside influence. People *worshipped* the ground he walked on. Held onto his every word. He had friends in high places. He was easily accommodated no matter how extreme he got. He became obsessively hedonistic and highly arrogant due to people's LACK of boundaries with him. Brando had admirable qualities as well as awful ones.

posted July 20, 2023 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:

One of the primary differences between you and Andrew is that you seem to fear the idea of ever being "divisive" or polarizing people with an unapologetic stance. Maybe it's your Libra Mars? But I personally love that quality in a person. 💯 Does me being an Aries have something to do with that? Sure, that's quite possible. I do Like Firestarters. 🔥 But I like when people start fires with PURPOSE... not with reckless abandon. Andrew has done both the latter and the former.

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posted July 20, 2023 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

I like that also. Some rebellious against norms despite of being Libra.

I could like Tate if he would talk and treat his girls with a little more respect.

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Yup! We're on the same page. 👌

posted July 20, 2023 03:47 PM            

I can't take the argument seriously if you're only going to call out Conservative trolls like Candace *while* you uplift and give a pass to Liberal puppets Rachel Maddow. Period. I don't do hypocrisy.

Haibo!!! Chinua Achebe🙆🏿‍♂️ Was I reading the wrong chart all along?

I got the credentials quoted on here https://astro-charts.com/persons/chart/ andrew-tate/

Which is it though? I will have to look at the one you mentioned.🤔

In as far as celebville is concerned . I have learned to distance myself and even look at those who are "victimised" with suspicion. It's a game to them. The only people who personalize it, is us.

I could care less about "Liberals" or "Conservatives". These people are at work and only publicly disagree whereas (in private) they have drinks with each other and attend each other's weddings.

To them, it's not that deep. And I realized that I was making it too deep in the past. There is no hypocrisy to be expected on my side with either. I really could care less.

I agree with much (not all) of your analysis on Andrew now that I've seen MORE of the vile things that he has admitted to. 👍 As a fellow Sagittarius w/ Scorpio Venus, I can see why you'd want to distance yourself from him as much as possible.

One of the primary differences between you and Andrew is that you seem to fear the idea of ever being "divisive" or polarizing people with an unapologetic stance. Maybe it's your Libra Mars?

You can speak the truth without being offensive. It's a skill. But not many take time to develop that. This especially if they are "hot headed" and believe their opinion is "insightful" (whilst it is badly undercooked).

Whilst I agree that I don't like polarizing people. It's not so much a "fear" than something I actively gravitate away from. There is no pleasure derived from being constantly p***d off. And also p*** other people off.

I actually used to be like Andrew( way back in High School). I am embarrassed at how similar our thought processes were. But i remember that i was a child. And the Sun in Sag then was expressing the under-developed part of Sag.

I would say things "off the cuff", be admired for being "raw" and applauded for swift clap backs that made others wince with embarrassment. I even had an Aries best mate at the time who was equally as spicy .

But i realized (as I grew up) that truth does not hurt. It enlightens. This no matter who speaks it. Truth is never divisive , it enlarges.If someone speaks truth, you get an "aha" moment.An epiphany. Epiphanies come with a peaceful resolve as the path becomes clear and less complex.

That's not what I get from Andrew. His reasoning is infantile. And it appeals to 'hit it where it hurts' types that I was popular with in the past. Those were kids.

Andrews thinking is a combative way of thinking. Its fine when you are young or in MMA. Most people will think its "cool".

As adults in the real world of things not being so black & white , i think we must practice more restraint and be slower to anger. And quick to dig deeper.

It's easy to break things down. Easy to tear them apart and tell people off. Giving people a 'what for' etc. And coming out on top. It's a reptilian way of being.

But try building things? Try repairing things? Give nurturing to put things together or protect them? That takes patience, wisdom, inner growth. Not an overnight feat.

There is a local Aries who (when young) endured anger and violence to grow up and express these in his life. He went to jail for beating his wife and was infamous for getting into fist fights.

Throughout his tenure of doing that, his sex appeal never waned . Men considered him 'macho' and wanted to be him. And some men(like many women) wanted to f*** him. And he loved the attention.

Post prison (after undergoing the Pluto square Sun transit) he completely changed himself. He is now an NGO founder that is focused on building young men between 15 to 25 years of age to embrace their masculinity in a way that is more empowering and beneficial to the society they live in.

I was sceptical when attending his workshop. Knowing his violent past, I thought it was all an act initially. But i went.

What i could infer from that workshop was how he was incorporating what I spoke of earlier. He was no longer the "shoot from the hip" bada** that had people cheer in both delight and fear.

He was someone who was more in touch with his inner self and very much about nurturing and growing young men to choose differently from what he did.

Until Andrew Tate learns to be genuinely concerned about young boys transitioning to value men. And not just publicly talking a wild, overarching theory on how "Real men" ought to be - whilst smoking a cigar and talking about Lamborghinis. Then calling himself "King". I call bull***.

All he does is shallow, nonsensical bull***. Nothing "brilliant". As i know this type of "brilliance" all too well. It's a man sorely misguided. But thinking he is "the best thing ever".