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PixieJane
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posted April 18, 2012 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought this might prove helpful for some people (and others who may wish to share this elsewhere):
http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

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Gentlemen. Thank you for reading.

Let me start out by assuring you that I understand you are a good sort of person. You are kind to children and animals. You respect the elderly. You donate to charity. You tell jokes without laughing at your own punchlines. You respect women. You like women. In fact, you would really like to have a mutually respectful and loving sexual relationship with a woman. Unfortunately, you don’t yet know that woman—she isn’t working with you, nor have you been introduced through mutual friends or drawn to the same activities. So you must look further afield to encounter her.

So far, so good. Miss LonelyHearts, your humble instructor, approves. Human connection, love, romance: there is nothing wrong with these yearnings.

Now, you want to become acquainted with a woman you see in public. The first thing you need to understand is that women are dealing with a set of challenges and concerns that are strange to you, a man. To begin with, we would rather not be killed or otherwise violently assaulted.

“But wait! I don’t want that, either!”

Well, no. But do you think about it all the time? Is preventing violent assault or murder part of your daily routine, rather than merely something you do when you venture into war zones? Because, for women, it is. When I go on a date, I always leave the man’s full name and contact information written next to my computer monitor. This is so the cops can find my body if I go missing. My best friend will call or e-mail me the next morning, and I must answer that call or e-mail before noon-ish, or she begins to worry. If she doesn’t hear from me by three or so, she’ll call the police. My activities after dark are curtailed. Unless I am in a densely-occupied, well-lit space, I won’t go out alone. Even then, I prefer to have a friend or two, or my dogs, with me. Do you follow rules like these?

So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me?

Do you think I’m overreacting? One in every six American women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. I bet you don’t think you know any rapists, but consider the sheer number of rapes that must occur. These rapes are not all committed by Phillip Garrido, Brian David Mitchell, or other members of the Brotherhood of Scary Hair and Homemade Religion. While you may assume that none of the men you know are rapists, I can assure you that at least one is. Consider: if every rapist commits an average of ten rapes (a horrifying number, isn’t it?) then the concentration of rapists in the population is still a little over one in sixty. That means four in my graduating class in high school. One among my coworkers. One in the subway car at rush hour. Eleven who work out at my gym. How do I know that you, the nice guy who wants nothing more than companionship and True Love, are not this rapist?

I don’t.

When you approach me in public, you are Schrödinger’s Rapist. You may or may not be a man who would commit rape. I won’t know for sure unless you start sexually assaulting me. I can’t see inside your head, and I don’t know your intentions. If you expect me to trust you—to accept you at face value as a nice sort of guy—you are not only failing to respect my reasonable caution, you are being cavalier about my personal safety.

Fortunately, you’re a good guy. We’ve already established that. Now that you’re aware that there’s a problem, you are going to go out of your way to fix it, and to make the women with whom you interact feel as safe as possible

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When you approach me, I will begin to evaluate the possibility you will do me harm. That possibility is never 0%. For some women, particularly women who have been victims of violent assaults, any level of risk is unacceptable. Those women do not want to be approached, no matter how nice you are or how much you’d like to date them. Okay? That’s their right. Don’t get pissy about it. Women are under no obligation to hear the sales pitch before deciding they are not in the market to buy.

The second important point: you must be aware of what signals you are sending by your appearance and the environment. We are going to be paying close attention to your appearance and behavior and matching those signs to our idea of a threat

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Pay attention to the environment. Look around. Are you in a dark alley? Then probably you ought not approach a woman and try to strike up a conversation. The same applies if you are alone with a woman in most public places. If the public place is a closed area (a subway car, an elevator, a bus), even a crowded one, you may not realize that the woman’s ability to flee in case of threat is limited. Ask yourself, “If I were dangerous, would this woman be safe in this space with me?” If the answer is no, then it isn’t appropriate to approach her.

On the other hand, if you are both at church accompanied by your mothers, who are lifelong best friends, the woman is as close as it comes to safe

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You want to say Hi to the cute girl on the subway. How will she react? Fortunately, I can tell you with some certainty, because she’s already sending messages to you. Looking out the window, reading a book, working on a computer, arms folded across chest, body away from you = do not disturb. So, y’know, don’t disturb her. Really. Even to say that you like her hair, shoes, or book. A compliment is not always a reason for women to smile and say thank you. You are a threat, remember? You are Schrödinger’s Rapist. Don’t assume that whatever you have to say will win her over with charm or flattery. Believe what she’s signaling, and back off.

If you speak, and she responds in a monosyllabic way without looking at you, she’s saying, “I don’t want to be rude, but please leave me alone.” You don’t know why. It could be “Please leave me alone because I am trying to memorize Beowulf.” It could be “Please leave me alone because you are a scary, scary man with breath like a water buffalo.” It could be “Please leave me alone because I am planning my assassination of a major geopolitical figure and I will have to kill you if you are able to recognize me and blow my cover.”

On the other hand, if she is turned towards you, making eye contact, and she responds in a friendly and talkative manner when you speak to her, you are getting a green light.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 18, 2012 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sashar
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posted April 18, 2012 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Schrödinger’s Rapist - best phrase ever, in context of course.

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posted April 19, 2012 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love this effin post!

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Frozen Queen
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posted April 19, 2012 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG!!! I thought about this article when I saw the title of this post and to see it here....I LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!!

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Aquacheeka
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posted April 22, 2012 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol @ this thread title. It reminded me of this article: http://jezebel.com/5903883/why-guys-really-hate-being-called-creepy

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 22, 2012 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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carl
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posted April 23, 2012 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a sad state of affairs we find the world in: cold, detached, untrusting, suspicious. Overall, so negative.

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aquaguy91
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posted April 23, 2012 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by carl:
What a sad state of affairs we find the world in: cold, detached, untrusting, suspicious. Overall, so negative.


I agree 100%, plus if a Guy is saying hi, it doesn't neccesarily mean he wants you, it could be friendliness plain and simple.

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carl
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posted April 23, 2012 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just keep to myself. Not because I want to. Human interaction is nice afterall, but because people assume the worst so often.

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aquaguy91
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posted April 23, 2012 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just some of the comments here make me happy for the mra movement, because when women can't understand that being called creepy and a rapist is offensive,we have a total lack of sympathy and respect from women. Now before you all get huffy I understand why you may feel the way you do, but understand that as a man who (tries) to always be respectful to women,it doesn't make me feel better when I give examples of troubles with women and how it affectected me only to hear another woman say" oh don't be offended she just thought you were going to rape and murder her", and then basically say its my fault it happened , yea sorry but doesn't make feel good, it offends me along with the majority of the men in the world who don't rape or murder.again I understand that women have legit concerns about this but realize that it is offensive from a Guy who is innocent of these things perspective.we believe that we shouldn't be prejudged based off the actions of a few, just as all women shouldn't be judged gold diggers because some women use men for money.

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl & Aquaguy -

There are so many women on LL.
Do you see me or Lioness or Lonake .. or VenusdiSirius or Ami Anne... (the list could go on) - agreeing to this?

Basically, please do not take it personally. Different people have a different perception of the world. FOCUS on those women whose perception is in line with your own

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read similar things that are negative in tone and directed at women.. For instance, there are dating manuals online about 'how to get a girl' - where they advise the man to be a complete jerk.
And I've seen guys agreeing that it works so well and bla bla bla..

When I was younger I used to read something like that ^ and get upset.. because I thought "awwwwwww boy.... the world is really stuffed up and people just seem to hate each other".... or "How can those men be so cruel? How can anyone think this way?"
I have Mars conj Neptune ^ so I can be overly sensitive.

But then I woke up to myself and realised that the problem was that I was focusing on things and people who are just NOT my kind of people.

There are plenty of men and women out there who *are* my kind of people.. and I'd prefer to fill my thoughts & memories with those people..and the things they write.

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl -

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people assume the worst so often.

Please don't fall pray to the workings of your brain.
We are simply neurologically built to remember negative things more so than positive things and hence - I think we're inclined to generalise those negative things.

The word OFTEN - should not be in that sentence ^.
Be Positive!!

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 23, 2012 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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sand
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posted April 23, 2012 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
soo women are stocking up on mase and men are stocking up on ideas like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2IVF9a2IA

opthalmology shall be a lucrative business i see!

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Men should simply NOT approach me, ever.

Regardes - I understand that is how you feel. But that is just you personally. You have also mentioned being asexual, so saying that you never ever want a man to approach you... is not overly surprising.

I mean, the women out there who would like and desire being approached by a man (with romantic/sexual intentions) - would not identify as being asexual.

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Aquacheeka
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posted April 23, 2012 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I've read similar things that are negative in tone and directed at women.. For instance, there are dating manuals online about 'how to get a girl' - where they advise the man to be a complete jerk.
And I've seen guys agreeing that it works so well and bla bla bla..

When I was younger I used to read something like that ^ and get upset.. because I thought "awwwwwww boy.... the world is really stuffed up and people just seem to hate each other".... or "How can those men be so cruel? How can anyone think this way?"
I have Mars conj Neptune ^ so I can be overly sensitive.

But then I woke up to myself and realised that the problem was that I was focusing on things and people who are just NOT my kind of people.

There are plenty of men and women out there who *are* my kind of people.. and I'd prefer to fill my thoughts & memories with those people..and the things [b]they write. [/B]



Thank you for writing this. It's an important reminder. In a small way, I think you may have have just made my day

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Lexxigramer
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posted April 23, 2012 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simply do not act like a rutting pig.
Talk to a woman not her breasts.
Smile.
And I stick to my rule,
no pickups in bars.
The men I have been involved with I met at Libraries, book stores, grocery stores, hardware stores, post office, banks, and other just everyday places.
Then if click, meet for tame get to know dates, going Dutch, at coffee shoppes, eateries, driving separately the first several times.
Lots of hours of phone conversations.
Ladies and gentlemen, use your common sense and do not rush into things.
Also laugh if you wish,
but,
this advice I have given to teens and they have thanked me because it works.
If you are or feel you are easily aroused,
sexually that is,
then masturbate before the meetings.
Your mind will be much clearer, and you will not become fooled by your hormonal urges.

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahahahahahaha

OMG I love your advice LEXX!

Can we just delete the first post and leave LEXX's advice here?
It is much more sensible.


Aquacheeka - awww I'm glad you liked that!!

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Aquacheeka
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posted April 23, 2012 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mixed feelings about being approached by men, as a woman in a relationship of 2.5 years.

Most of the time I have no use for it.

Sometimes it's not even an approach so much as a honk or a "'Sup, shorty?" (no thanks).

And sometimes it's a pleasant shock/reminder that other men still find me attractive. Usually this is the case when the guy is well-dressed and respectful about approaching me. I get shy; I hope he doesn't interpret that as me being "cold and detached." At these times I tell them I think they're nice and appreciate the interest and the guts it must have taken to approach me but I am very happily taken. Still, when someone is friendly towards me, I find it difficult not to be friendly back (and I know that sometimes this can send the wrong message). It's just so unusual that a stranger will strike up a conversation with you in a big city that I can't help but be like, "Whoa, refreshing! HELLO!! HOW DO YOU DO?!" lol.

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Betty Boop
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posted April 23, 2012 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also in a big city and I also find it refreshing lol

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