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Topic: What would be aspects in the natal chart which would signify attraction to teens?
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KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:31 PM
  
12 - 16 ( Puberty ) Oh and a fetish for them as well.. should we look for Persephone or Hebe aspects? IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:32 PM
Right, Hebephilia is the right word.IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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posted December 08, 2012 06:35 PM
lolguys with a lolita-fetish this may take awhile but let me compile the list of all my exes~ I'll be back in mmmmmnnnn - a week with the results.  IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted December 08, 2012 06:37 PM
No because neither myth involved pedophilia they were goddesses, immortal not teens. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 08, 2012 06:38 PM
actually a lot of men find teenage girls attractive...
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KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:38 PM
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KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
No because neither myth involved pedophilia they were goddesses, immortal not teens.
Interesting because an astrologer told me it meant youth = teenage but i guess he was wrong IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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posted December 08, 2012 06:40 PM
maybe - and I'm just guessing here~ an alternative with theme - using helena and menelaus there are a few others but usually the theme with them is younger women/inappropriate love (usually incestuous in nature) --- but Achilles and Menelaus and Agamemnon all took young brides/concubines ~ haetara IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
actually a lot of men find teenage girls attractive...
Do you mean young girls?
Attractive yes. But sexually... usually not... and to the point of having fetishes and fantasies of them... I'd say no too IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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posted December 08, 2012 06:42 PM
hebe does mean youth/fulbut she was a divinity and ageless - and as such the immortal heracles wasn't older than her~ in a man's chart she could - I would guess indicate a peter-pan complex - but that's different entirely~ IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:42 PM
The more I learn everyday ^^IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted December 08, 2012 06:42 PM
Most myths involve much younger women engaging in sexual activity with immortal male gods. Technically Eros was a immortal and exists years before Psyche was born. There relationship isn't considered pedo. Isis was Osiris's sister but love connection between the two aren't considered incestuous you have to look deeper. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 08, 2012 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Attractive yes. But sexually... usually not... and to the point of having fetishes and fantasies of them... I'd say no too
In a lot of cultures and ancient times, girls that age were often married to older men.
Its not really a fetish, its more of a taboo. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
Most myths involve much younger women engaging in sexual activity with immortal male gods. Technically Eros was a immortal and exists years before Psyche was born. There relationship isn't considered pedo. Isis was Osiris's sister but love connection between the two aren't considered incestuous you have to look deeper.
What about... Asteroid 7232 Nabokov This man has it conjunct his Sun and he has an extreme fetish for younger teen girls... and he was in his 30's at the time the case happened..
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SaturnineMoth
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posted December 08, 2012 06:46 PM
@ ail - I'm thinking more of the mortal pairs --- the rulers and some of the legend asteroids do have young brides --- but yeah - like Kerosene pointed out that was technically normal for that period in time --- but it would be an interesting study to see if the pairs came up significantly @ Kerosene - it /is/ a fetish /when/ they have an adult SO dress up like one (for their pleasure) --- and /when/ they need that to get off... *pardon langauge IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:47 PM
Oh and the asteroid conjuncts his Eros and squares his Mars
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ail221
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posted December 08, 2012 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
What about...Asteroid 7232 Nabokov This man has it conjunct his Sun and he has an extreme fetish for younger teen girls... and he was in his 30's at the time the case happened..
Ok now your on the right track, since it relates back to the author if the book "Lolita" check the natal charts of men that have had relationships with much younger women i.e Woody Allen and Doug Hutchinson
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ail221
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posted December 08, 2012 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
@ ail - I'm thinking more of the mortal pairs --- the rulers and some of the legend asteroids do have young brides --- but yeah - like Kerosene pointed out that was technically normal for that period in time --- but it would be an interesting study to see if the pairs came up significantly @ Kerosene - it /is/ a fetish /when/ they have an adult SO dress up like one (for their pleasure) --- and /when/ they need that to get off... *pardon langauge
There is actually a documentary on men preferring very young women. Part of it is primordial, youth implies a longer life to live. One of the reason beauty in the past was often equated with the ideal "blonde hair" = youthful edit. Woody Allen has Nabokov sq his venus, opposite his mars and conjunct his pluto. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 08, 2012 06:55 PM
Its been fetishized because its a taboo.
Also lolitas are very young children, not teenage girls.
Thats why its considered disgusting
Venus begins to mature at age 12 also beginning puberty , Girls start become sexually desirable.
It does make sense because she is able to produce children now.
Remember humans did not have long life spans, so girls were married off quite early.
Modern medicine has changed that.
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KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 06:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Its been fetishized because its a taboo.
Also lolitas are very young children, not teenage girls.
Venus begins to mature at age 12 also beginning puberty , Girls start become sexually desirable.
It does make sense because she is able to produce children now.
Remember humans did not have long life spans, so girls were married off quite early.
Modern medicine has changed that.
I matured at 8, so I guess I was sexually desirable, uh? IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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posted December 08, 2012 06:59 PM
yeah it's definitely part of the genetic programming - it harkens back to the discussion on waist/hip ratio and bust sizean uncomfortable part of our evolution- we're stuck between our cultural moralities and our primal infatuations~ of course *not being sexist --- us ladies have our primal quirks still embedded in our DNA somewhere too~ -being fair- <--- preference for the older man~
older = support/reliability/dominance/masculinity it's not *fair but it is at least partially *biological indeed ~ when I was in an anthropology group back in high school we'd watched studies/read quite a few materials along these topics~ I didn't care for it because it made me ill/uncomfortable personally~ but - it is a great topic to study astrologically for sure~ ^^; IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 07:01 PM
Lusting over early pubescent girls is still disgusting ... especially if they haven't started their periods. I remember talking to a guy who said it was normal for men to be attracted to girls who only have began budding and not yet fertile (no period). That was very disgusting to me. Usually 14 year old girls are in "tanner stage 3" of their puberty. My age is currently 14 but I started puberty at a very young age so biologically im 19... I think IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 07:02 PM
Still gross for an older man to want to have a relationship/sex with me though (and planning on to act out on it)... I am very emotionally and mentally immature especially when I Was 11-12.. sick menIP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted December 08, 2012 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
yeah it's definitely part of the genetic programming - it harkens back to the discussion on waist/hip ratio and bust sizean uncomfortable part of our evolution- we're stuck between our cultural moralities and our primal infatuations~ of course *not being sexist --- us ladies have our primal quirks still embedded in our DNA somewhere too~ -being fair- <--- preference for the older man~
older = support/reliability/dominance/masculinity it's not *fair but it is at least partially *biological indeed ~ when I was in an anthropology group back in high school we'd watched studies/read quite a few materials along these topics~ I didn't care for it because it made me ill/uncomfortable personally~ but - it is a great topic to study astrologically for sure~ ^^;
I don't trust that "biological urges" stuff.. why would blond hair equal youth when other RACES don't have blond hair in childhood to begin with?????
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ail221
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posted December 08, 2012 07:04 PM
Depends infants hair, skin tone and eye color changes as they get older. IP: Logged |
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