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posted May 31, 2014 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a continuation of a topic that was closed due to negativity. If you have any thoughts, info etc. pertaining to the subjects please do share them.

I will transfer the articles from the old thread to here when i have more time later. For now, here are two more great articles and websites to explore:

New Age Fundamentalism
New Words, Same Old Song

By Cat Saunders


Before I say anything about New Age fundamentalism, let me say up front that I have no clue what causes what, nor do I believe it's even possible to know. At best, people can form opinions about the nature of causal reality, but these opinions may or may not have anything to do with what's actually happening.

Frankly, I encourage those who think their belief system is airtight to hold fast to whatever they need to feel safe. In a world as challenging as ours, security blankets can be comforting, and sometimes a blanket full of holes can feel better than no blanket at all.

This article is intended only for those who aren't afraid to question authority (including mine and their own), who reevaluate their beliefs regularly, and who are willing to stand naked in the wind, so to speak, if they discover that their security blankets are too full of holes to keep.

These brave souls are the ones who might enjoy this weed-pulling romp through the garden of three major New Age beliefs (or NABs, in honor of their ability to nab people, including me in the past).

NAB #1: You create your own reality.

This is the New Age belief from which all other New Age beliefs grow. To be fair, it has a high side, in terms of moving people out of a victim mentality. However, in the same way other fundamentalist belief systems allow no room for contradiction, the shadow side of this New Age axiom is deeply repressed. As a result, the notion that "you create your own reality" can actually disempower people.

Let me explain. In the two decades since I first heard about New Thought, I've noticed that this "create your own reality" belief is often taken to mean that you actually cause everything in your life to manifest. Literally!

Such megalomania hardly requires further skewering, but let me just add that this form of thinking is also infantile. Now before you get your hackles up, let me explain that I'm speaking neurologically.

That is, human infants go through an early developmental stage where they perceive the world as an extension of themselves. Newborn infants don't know that their caregivers are separate beings, so babies may experience separation anxiety as they gradually begin to realize that caregivers are not within their (the infants') control.

When I started studying functional neurology a few years after I was first exposed to New Age thinking, I noticed that the "create your own reality" belief system essentially represents a stage of arrested development, with grown adults operating as if the world is an extension of themselves and therefore subject to their control.

In relation to this notion, my favorite shaman, Michael Harner, wryly observed, "I think that the human mind is not necessarily the biggest thing in the universe."

Of course, not everyone takes this "create your own reality" belief to its infantile extreme. Some people simply believe that you're responsible for your perceptions of reality, and that your perceptions then determine the quality of your experience. This interpretation has its high side, too, but there are still some problems with it.

For one thing, anyone who has been legally insane — or has experienced significant mental impairment as a result of physical, chemical, nutritional, or environmental imbalances — knows firsthand that one's perceptions are not always subject to conscious control.

Indeed, the main problem with this whole "create your own reality" thing is that it's all about control. Dressing it up with words like mastery and personal power cannot disguise this age-old struggle for control.

Control is the dirty word that no one wants to talk about, and addiction to control is the elephant in the New Age living room. New Agers are supposed to be spiritually minded, yet anyone who is truly spiritual knows that a control-oriented existence is fear-based, and therefore the antithesis of empowerment.

NAB #2: Illness is the result of mental thought patterns.

I admit that I've gotten a lot of mileage out of this NAB while working to unravel hidden messages underlying physical symptoms. However, I've also used this NAB to beat myself up mercilessly.

What's worse, I once used this belief to "encourage" (i.e., shame) counseling clients and friends to look at how they "created" whatever was happening in their bodies, as if they actually caused their own pain or illness. Talk about disrespectful!

The idea that mental thought patterns are the sole cause of illness is not only disrespectful of sick people; it's also disrespectful of illness. I agree with Arny Mindell, who says that illness is ultimately mysterious.

Another wise man, M. Scott Peck, taught me that illness is like a tree, with many roots. I love these ideas because they allow my thoughts to be part of the process, but not the whole story.

It's overly simplistic, if not downright arrogant, to insist that illness is merely the result of people's thoughts. For example, consider the survivors of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster who developed radiation sickness. Would anyone say that these people's suffering was the result of their mental thought patterns, and that their cancers would disappear if they'd only affirm their well-being vigorously enough?

Frankly, I fail to see how anyone can deny environmental — and numerous other — factors in human illness, since people are part of a complex system of known and unknown variables.

People who think mental thought patterns cause illness may become strangely silent when it comes to babies who are born with life-threatening illnesses before they even have thought patterns beyond pure instinct. Some people sidestep this sticky wicket by saying that sick babies "come in" with faulty thinking, while others say these babies are simply manifesting their parents' sick thoughts.

Either way, somebody takes the blame, so the idea that illness results from faulty thinking begins to sound dangerously similar to the fundamentalist belief in pain as punishment or illness as a sign that you're doing something wrong.

In my own thirty-plus years of work with chronic pain and illness, including a few life-threatening ones, I've noticed that body processes yield much more information when they're approached with curiosity and respect. Also, as paradoxical as it sounds, I make more progress when I trust that my body is inherently wise, including my experiences of pain or illness.

This doesn't mean I'm a masochist, martyr, or victim, and it doesn't mean that I don't work to alleviate distressing symptoms, if indeed they can be alleviated. However, I refuse to make illness wrong, because it has helped me deepen my compassion, increase my humility, and learn amazing things about bodies and life processes that I would never have learned otherwise.

How could I not be grateful for such a profound teacher?

NAB #3: Do what you love and the money will follow.

This NAB casts such a huge shadow that it's amazing any of us can still find a place in the sun. To be blunt, it just ain't so. If it were true, monks and nuns would be rich, numerous well-known writers and musicians would not have died paupers, and the term "starving artist" would not be an all-too-accurate stereotype.

To be fair, this aphorism says nothing about when the money will follow (it could come after you're dead), nor does it say whom the money will follow (your efforts could make someone else rich).

Seriously, though, if this NAB is taken at face value, it sounds like an enticing way to sweep materialism under the love rug. What I mean is, if proponents of this axiom did not want money in the first place, this NAB would simply say "Do what you love." Period.

Don't get me wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting money, and there's certainly nothing wrong with doing what you love. The problem arises when someone promises a causal relationship between the two: If you do this, then that will happen.

That's what creates the shadow effect of this extremely seductive New Age fallacy, because those who do what they love may expect money to follow. If it doesn't, people may feel cheated, tricked, or ashamed that they didn't do something "good enough." Therefore, they might be determined to try even harder to force the world to do their bidding.

People may contort themselves in a million ways before it dawns on them that maybe they're fine and the belief is baloney. This may take time, depending on a person's level of enmeshment with others who believe that money follows love.

To make matters worse, those who don't make money doing what they love may be too ashamed to speak up, since contradictory evidence is generally unwelcome in fundamentalist circles. Thus, the conspiracy of silence continues, and the belief prevails.

Antidotes to New Age Beliefs

Instead of worrying about "creating your own reality," how about exploring reality as it is? Cultivate beginner's mind, and act as if you know nothing about anything, including yourself. See what happens if you treat yourself and the world as awesome mysteries, rather than tools to be manipulated and controlled.

If pain or illness visits you, find ways to be responsible to it, instead of obsessing about being responsible for it. Discover what happens to your response-ability if you imagine that your body is acting intelligently when it "interrupts" your life or forces you to change, however momentarily or permanently.

Most importantly, have compassion for your body. Health has less to do with the state of your body and more to do with the quality of your relationship with whatever is happening for you.

If whatever is happening for you includes money, please respect this privilege, and don't insult those less fortunate by assuming your relative wealth is merely the result of your own efforts. After all, if money was the inevitable result of hard work, there would be a lot of rich Third World farmers!

On the flip side, if you don't have a lot of money, don't assume you're doing something wrong. Even if you decide to alter what you're doing around work and money, I recommend that you do it in the spirit of ongoing experimentation.

Be careful not to make cause-and-effect assumptions about what you think should result from your efforts. This is easier said than done, to be sure, but an openhearted attitude about results will get you farther than an attitude of expectation and entitlement.

Last but definitely not least, be sure to do what you love, even if you do something else for money. Otherwise, part of your soul might die, and a dying soul can be worse than poverty.

http://www.drcat.org/articles_interviews/html/newagefund.html

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posted May 31, 2014 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I LOVE this site!!

Recovering Yogi
a refuge for the spiritually disenfranchized

"Your third eye needs a contact lense" LOL

http://recoveringyogi.com/who-we-are/

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posted May 31, 2014 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As the counterculture to the pop spirituality trend, our mission is to provide a forum for those who are bored with vacuous yoga culture and trite “spiritual” talk.
Here, we can voice our opinions and express ourselves freely as we create a community of people who perhaps still like to do yoga (or not), but have a sense of humor about it and ourselves.

Recovering Yogi is…

A web site devoted to bursting the bubble of pretentious, over-serious, judgmental, and vacuous interpretations of yoga, spirituality, and wellness
A tongue-in-cheek reference to the addictive, culty aspects of the yoga world
A haven for yogis, ex-yogis, and never-yogis to tell stories
A forum for creativity and self-expression
A gathering of smart, fearless renegades (not whiny victims)
The launch of a potent dialog

For those of us that are just kind of over it, welcome to Recovering Yogi. We’re not a place for ignorant bullies, but rather, for people who simply say what we mean. We also like to cuss a lot. Join us for some straight talk about how we really feel.

Read our manifesto http://recoveringyogi.com/

love it.

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New Age fundamentalism http://recoveringyogi.com/new-age-fundamentalism/

Forget regret (is a silly philosophy) http://recoveringyogi.com/forget-regret-is-a-silly-philosophy/


This was also quite hilarious:

Words We Loathe & Abhor
http://recoveringyogi.com/words-we-loathe-abhor/

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posted May 31, 2014 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*checks for clown car*

Soooo, what are your thoughts on this? Trololololol.

I'll come back and add my thoughts-got some errands to run. Good stuff!

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posted May 31, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm undecided, but I'm very tempted to move this to Divine Diversities (since it is making religious inferences to the New Age), or in the very least Uni-versal Codes, where Law of Attraction articles go, and this being a rebuttal of LoA, it would also fit better there.

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posted May 31, 2014 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Health And Healing and Labors Of Love also apply. But overall, it appears to be an article on Spiritual thought as a religious belief system and subsequent skepticism of it. We have lots of skeptical threads in DD, many of which are by LEXX.

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posted May 31, 2014 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Love it T, not the OP rather your expanding on the article you posted..which is all I ever asked

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posted May 31, 2014 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Love it T, not the OP rather your expanding on the article you posted..which is all I ever asked

Condescending bro, just stop.

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posted May 31, 2014 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Nonsense sister, free your mind.

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posted May 31, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:

Nonsense sister, free your mind.


I'm pretty open-minded... I mean I do have strong Uranian energy
Hey, I get that you may not like T but she doesnt want you on her threads and its creating unnecessary drama. Ive been in that position a million times and it makes a fool out of everybody.

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posted May 31, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That is where one does err, I do like T, what I dislike is not sharing ones own thoughts when it obvious the capacity to do so is clearly there.

this is what annoys me about Bible thumpers, doctrainaire progressives, both movements have good ideas that each person can and should examine and carve out their own interpretations rather than by wrote C&P

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posted May 31, 2014 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys...???...........if the Leader of the Clown Brigade decides to move this thread to one of the dead forums................promise to meet me there??

lol

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quote:
Originally posted by BellaFenice:
*checks for clown car*

Soooo, what are your thoughts on this? Trololololol.

I'll come back and add my thoughts-got some errands to run. Good stuff!


lmao. Don't worry, the car backfires and beeps it's crazy horn alot - you can hear it/them coming from a mile away.

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'm undecided, but I'm very tempted to move this to Divine Diversities (since it is making religious inferences to the New Age), or in the very least Uni-versal Codes, where Law of Attraction articles go, and this being a rebuttal of LoA, it would also fit better there.

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Health And Healing and Labors Of Love also apply. But overall, it appears to be an article on Spiritual thought as a religious belief system and subsequent skepticism of it. We have lots of skeptical threads in DD, many of which are by LEXX.

Once again, the thread is not strictly about the first article posted and that one only. It's a topic that inevitably leads to many other sub-topics. The overall point covers a number of different ones, many of which a number of us might want to consider more. It will most likely cover the entire spectrum of topics presented on the forums offered on this board [ how many are there now? 200?]

It even touches on dolphins [ Heathcliffe's corner now? or UC?] , walk-ins, numerology, tarot, etc [as mentioned in articles on closed thread. So, why not move it to While the Soul Slumbers or Ooobers Code? or any of the other ones here?

OR, you could put down the baton, turn off the blue lights and sirens, munch on a donut for a minute or two and stop looking for ways to handcuff and arrest all of my threads and just leave it here and maybe even learn something in the process.

I'd just like it not to turn into a drama-fest before it even gets off the ground is all.

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Originally posted by Padre35:

That is where one does err, I do like T, what I dislike is not sharing ones own thoughts when it obvious the capacity to do so is clearly there.

this is what annoys me about Bible thumpers, doctrainaire progressives, both movements have good ideas that each person can and should examine and carve out their own interpretations rather than by wrote C&P


Padre, come ooooooon dude. Don't start with that again. whaaaa I really don't want to see this thread get sidetracked and peppered with BS. Please. For god's sake.

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posted May 31, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What turned you away, T?

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posted May 31, 2014 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by T:
Padre, come ooooooon dude. Don't start with that again. whaaaa I really don't want to see this thread get sidetracked and peppered with BS. Please. For god's sake.

Fair enough, thus endeth the sermon!

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posted May 31, 2014 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
What turned you away, T?

That is a good question Ellyn. A number of things did and I am still figuring it out and processing it all.

I started this journey around 13 years old and am now 36. For the past 5 or 6 years I have slowly been coming into a new way of being and living and perspectives. Many awakenings have been rude ones and I am still in an assimilation process....if that's putting it properly. I'll try to explain more as I figure it out myself. This is proving to be one of the most interesting and dare I say "enlightening" parts of my journey.

Thanks for asking.

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posted May 31, 2014 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm really interested.

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posted May 31, 2014 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

It is a journey T, if I can ask, at what point did you look around and realize "this is not working?"

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posted May 31, 2014 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MetalAphrodite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Instead of worrying about "creating your own reality," how about exploring reality as it is?

I like how the article mentioned that for people who are mentally insane would have problems creating a healthy reality. I have been mentioning recently at another forum that it's important to create map markers for our life's journey.

We are still cemented in this reality and it's important that we should familiarize ourselves with the terrain, instead of trying to reimagine something else that has no bearing on anything realistic.

So, yeah, map markers. They are supposed to be truths that you can consistently use as a frame of reference to judge whether or not you are making decisions that are conducive towards your life's path.

Map Markers = Ultimate truths that are universally applicable and non-discriminatory.

I've only come up with two tentative ones that seem unrelated XD.

- Math is the ultimate universal language.
- Love is a positive experience.

We are pioneers in our every waking existence.... and I'm a dominant abstract thinker @__@ lol.

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posted May 31, 2014 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did someone you trusted let you down?

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Did someone you trusted let you down?

Not sure if you're addressing me Ellyn, but I'll answer.

My first response: All the time.
My second response: I'd have to actually trust someone first.

I'm used to people promising me things and there never being a follow through.

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Calling me the leader of the clown brigade is just the kind of stuff that's going to get it closed. If it's a drama fest, it's because you make it so. But you do make a valid point about its range, and since it covers a wide range of topics, it probably belongs in LLC.

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A number of studies in the past 10 years have provided evidence that connections between a person's mind, body and spirit have the capacity to affect physical health. Some of the results:

A researcher at the University of California at San Francisco found that breast cancer patients who participated in weekly group therapy sessions survived nearly twice as long as patients who did not participate.

According to a study reported on in a 1987 issue of Social Science and Medicine, researchers have found that for an array of illnesses, from cardiovascular conditions to cancer, frequent attendance at worship services was linked with healthier lives.

A study at the University of California at Los Angeles looked at people recovering from melanoma surgery. Those provided education on stress management and coping skills plus an hour and a half of counseling each week for six weeks had almost half the rate of cancer recurrence and a third fewer deaths than other melanoma patients in the next five-year period that followed.

Researchers at Ohio State University have found that breast cancer patients with the greatest anxiety about their medical condition had the lowest levels of white blood cells that normally attack cancer and combat infection. In blood of women with high degrees of stress, there were 20 to 30 percent fewer natural killer cells that play key roles in the body's defenses. The study is the first part in a long-term project to test whether controlling stress can play a role in fighting cancer.

At Harvard, studies have shown that meditation can help lower high blood pressure, decrease the level of chronic pain and diminish nausea that accompanies chemotherapy.

According to a 1989 issue of Journal of Religion and Health, a study of 400 men found that a strong religious commitment cut high blood pressure risks even among men who smoked.

Research conducted at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center on a group of patients with psoriasis found that the skin of patients who received relaxation training along with standard phototherapy cleared more quickly that did the skin of patients receiving only the standard treatment.

Biofeedback with children has diminished the severity and frequency of migraine headaches, researchers at a hospital in Cleveland say.

A study at Ohio State University found that students examined during final exams had weaker immune responses to hepatitis than unstressed students.

In a study of 172 students participating in religious groups, the religious students had better perceived health and fewer emergency room, physician, walk-in clinic and dentist visit than the unaffiliated group, says a 1991 issue of Psychological Reports.

At Carnegie Mellon University, one researcher discovered that the more stress or more negative emotional state a person has, the more likely that person is to catch a cold when exposed to cold germs.

A study at Dartmouth of heart surgery patients found that those who identified themselves as "very religious" were three times more likely to recover than those who were not.

Researchers at the Mid America Heart Institute at St. Luke's Hospital in Kansas City found that heart patients who had someone praying for them -- without their knowledge -- suffered 10 percent fewer complications. Researchers came to the conclusion after studying 990 patients admitted during a year to the institute's coronary care unit. Half the patients were prayed for daily by community volunteers; the other patients did not have anyone assigned to pray for them. Patients, families and caregivers were not aware of the study. After four weeks, prayed-for patients had about 10 percent fewer complications such as chest pain and cardiac arrest, researchers reported in "Archives of Internal Medicine."
http://integrisok.com/mind-body-spirit/studies-on-mind-body-connection

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