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Topic: AFA Reports Pedophilia Officially Classified as Sexual Orientation
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 05:01 PM
I told you According to the DSM-5, pedophilia “refers to a sexual orientation or profession of sexual preference devoid of consummation, whereas pedophilic disorder is defined as a compulsion and is used in reference to individuals who act on their sexuality,”
Referenced from Andrew Doan, MD, PhD
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ikja Knowflake Posts: 1704 From: Inbetween Venus opposite Pluto Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 23, 2015 05:16 PM
Well, I mean... I agree that paedophilla is a sexual preference; as it describes a sexual desire directed towards children. However, I DO NOT think it is an acceptable sexual preference. Therefore, it shouldn't be classified as a sexual orientation. That suggests it's ok - it's not.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 06:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by ikja: Well, I mean... I agree that paedophilla is a sexual preference; as it describes a sexual desire directed towards children. However, I DO NOT think it is an acceptable sexual preference. Therefore, it shouldn't be classified as a sexual orientation. That suggests it's ok - it's not.
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6710 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 06:51 PM
I don't know if you just post things like this for attention or if you really believe them, but if the latter you should be aware that Matthew 7:16 and the verses following talk about trees that bear good fruit and corrupt fruit, and the corrupt fruit shall be thrown into the fire. And given that the sources you like to cite are very corrupt and deceitful then you're partaking of the fruit of corrupt trees as you bear false witness and thus Jesus knows you not, worker of iniquity. Of course I tried to find this and, as usual, it was the usual BS sites that you like, which is why you didn't include a link to make it harder to challenge...because you know anyone rational isn't going to believe any link that says this. Looking at the wiki on the DSM-V on wikipedia at least didn't show anything like that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5 Since wikipedia isn't fully dependable (though a hell a lot more credible than your sites) I tried the link to see more about what it said on pedophilia disorder but I had to gain membership which I wasn't willing to do. It's not like I even consider that you're actually telling the truth for a change (even if you were it would simply be a coincidence). Note: paraphilia is distinct from orientation. And even if it were true that the DSM-5 changed it it would still be irrelevant because children can't give consent, neither to sex nor to marriage, and as long as that's the case then this lying scare tactic you like to use will remain irrelevant for the same reason that military recruiters is a legal profession but they still can't get kids to sign their contracts. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 07:07 PM
Source:Andrew Doan MD PhD Head, Department of Mental Health, Addictions and Resilience Research at US Navy Temecula, California Medical Practice ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6710 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 07:32 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.You've got a reputation for finding the most absurd sites that say the most ridiculous things and thus have no credibility with me or many others here. A quick google search just showed me sites that you like to get your misinformation from. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 07:54 PM
Huffington PostNot All Pedophiles Have Mental Disorder, American Psychiatric Association Says In New DSM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/dsm-pedophilia-mental-disorder-paraphilia_n_4184878.html
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6710 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 23, 2015 08:31 PM
From the HP: quote: It's important to note that the actual diagnostic criteria for pedophilia have not changed since the last version of the DSM
And with emphasis added: quote: Blanchard questioned the need to label non-criminal behavior as mental illness:"If you take [an] individual who has a very strong erotic attraction for children, but who has never acted on it, who never would act on it, who agrees that society's prohibition of adult child sexual interactions should be in place, do you want to say this individual has a mental disorder?"
Nowhere is it stated that it's now a "sexual orientation" or that they think they should have "rights" to have sexual access to children (which I repeat would be irrelevant as long as children can't consent anyway), in fact it's quite the opposite, they have to agree that the prohibitions are good despite their innate desires rather than thinking that society is just being prudish. And, of course, this is just you (and the sites you like to visit) trying to equate equality for gays with children being raped, though whether for attention (so that I feed you by replying to the stupidity you post) or your own desire to believe this trash to the point that you convince yourself of it is beyond me. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3611 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted July 23, 2015 11:20 PM
Ami is a mod who likes to troll. Don't pay it any mind you're just giving the attention ho what it wants.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3248 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 24, 2015 11:52 AM
Calling it an orientation is not calling it acceptable..and distinguishing between those who would act on it (disorder) and those who feel that way (orientation) without acting ..makes that very clear. Or do you believe that pretending something doesn't exist makes it disappear?IP: Logged |
ikja Knowflake Posts: 1704 From: Inbetween Venus opposite Pluto Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 24, 2015 01:03 PM
I just personally don't like the use of the word orientation to describe paedophilia (i.e. sexual feelings directed towards children) because it normalises the phenomenon and I don't think paedophilia should be normalised like bisexuality, homosexuality and heterosexuality. When I complete forms, under (sexual) orientation (a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted) I usually see the following options: bisexual, homosexual, heterosexual, prefer not to say. If paedophila cannot be included on this list, surely this preference cannot seriously be considered an orientation (in my opinion: a preference which has been normalised)? However, I accept that paedophiles DO exist and they (active and inactive) should be given the necessary help to ensure that they are not a danger to young people. In terms of the distinction between paedophiles who act on their preferences and those that do not, I would just use the words active and inactive; but maybe I'm too simple lol. Ami and I are probably going to disagree on parts of my response, because I know that she does not condone homosexuality and I'm not going to attack her/knock her for that. I respect the fact that people believe what they believe to be true. However, whereas I can understand a sexual relationship between two consenting adults (perhaps of the same sex); I can't understand a sexual relationship between an adult and a child. So, paedophilia is just not a sexual orientation for me. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 24, 2015 01:38 PM
I just personally don't like the use of the word orientation to describe paedophilia (i.e. sexual feelings directed towards children) because it normalises the phenomenon and I don't think paedophilia should be normalisedYou think that would be obvious to these people. It is very sad ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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ikja Knowflake Posts: 1704 From: Inbetween Venus opposite Pluto Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 24, 2015 01:42 PM
I'm going to stop editing my response now 😂 I understand how you feel Ami, we feel the same way (but probably for two different reasons), however I get your unhappiness with the term in this context.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 24, 2015 01:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by ikja: I'm going to stop editing my response now 😂 I understand how you feel Ami, we feel the same way (but probably for two different reasons), however I get your unhappiness with the term in this context.
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Catalina Knowflake Posts: 3248 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 24, 2015 04:43 PM
Being attracted to someone and acting on that are two different things. Period. Some people are attracted to children. What would you call that? And how does admitting that it exists imply acceptance of taking advantage of an actual child?It doesn't, that's how. No one here ever wanted, say, an abuser to die? Or even fantasized about killing them/making them grovel, experience being the victim? DOing any of those things is criminal but how often is FEELING that way described as normal? IP: Logged |
ikja Knowflake Posts: 1704 From: Inbetween Venus opposite Pluto Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 24, 2015 05:06 PM
They are different things, hence my active and inactive distinction. I don't subscribe to the disorder/orientation dichotomy; but I UNDERSTAND that there is difference between someone who actively abuses children and someone who prefers them, but doesn't act.'How does admitting that it exists imply acceptance of abusing a child?' In my opinion, if you're calling it an orientation, then you're indirectly saying it's the same as homosexuality/heterosexuality and bisexuality. As generally speaking, THOSE preferences are recognised as sexual orientations at present (although I recognise that some people/nations do not agree), and therefore using the word 'orientation' to describe paedophilia suggests acceptance because the other preferences recognised as under that term are accepted/normal. Again, I recognise sexual feelings towards children as a real preference, but not an orientation. To be honest, our debate is about what we should be calling those who actively abuse children and those who do not - nothing else really. It seems we agree in principle, but we don't agree on the names used to classify certain aspects. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 24, 2015 05:38 PM
I think it is sad how uneducated people are. People do not have to BELIEVE as I do. However, to be uneducated is a crime. If you want to be free and in a free society, you should educate yourselves.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6710 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 24, 2015 07:04 PM
Just to be clear I don't think anyone IS calling it an "orientation" now. I'd look into it more to be sure but this is Ami Anne and the sources she prefers (which are notorious liars with a reputation for twisting these stories around) so I won't bother. Had the Huffington Post said they were now calling it an orientation (as opposed to paraphilias and paraphilic disorders, both of which are distinct from orientation--something someone educated in psychology should realize) then I'd have believed it, but they (including the links I clicked) didn't say that despite Ami posting a link to it (as far as I can tell people uneducated about psychology have misunderstood a couple of statements within the article). And I'd have disagreed with the decision (and want it investigated) but even if--hypothetically speaking as Ami's claim is false--it were called "orientation" it wouldn't be "paving the way to legalized child rape" (which as far as I know preteen brides that are legal only happens in very religious countries which also imprisons or executes gays and if some religious person marries a 12-year-old girl and decides to honeymoon in a country where gays are equal under the law that religious person will be imprisoned for pedophilia with the child bride taken into protective custody). IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 383 From: <--------- over there. Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 24, 2015 07:17 PM
Wait! Now this brings me to a question. Does my hand count as an orientation now!? IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 383 From: <--------- over there. Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 24, 2015 07:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: However, to be uneducated is a crime.
It is?! Well if they drop out of school at 15 then they'll probably just go to "Juvie". IP: Logged |
Swanlake Knowflake Posts: 146 From: Registered: Aug 2014
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posted July 24, 2015 07:39 PM
What people here are failing to grasp ...is the OVERALL TREND (ie THE BIGGER PICTURE)..This TREND is ON GOING. It's going in ONE DIRECTION...and It is NOT STOPPING. * * * * Society can be likened to an organism in biology which, when the bounderies that hold it together dissolve/ break down.. can be said to be in a state of decay. For a society to remain stable ie function in a healthy cohesive state, there have to be bounderies, otherwise that society breaks down. (WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.) The traditional Biological Family unit, which was once the cornerstone of society, is no more. * * * * RE Pedophilia, this is already becoming "normalised" as this trend continues. "Normalised" means GRADUALLY being MADE to be regarded as not offensive. NOTE also, how children in our society are being "sexualised" at earlier & earlier ages. This is also a very disturbing trend. Ami has merely provided EVIDENCE of the EARLY signs of this.. (and I have seen similar elsewhere,) It ALWAYS starts this way- slowly, over time. Eventually (mayby 10-20 yrs hence) the public will have been conditioned to accept it as "just another lifestyle choice" and by that time it will have been renamed eg "intergenerational sex" and will no longer be an offence. * * * If you can't see that Society today is seriously sick and unravelling, then it's only because you haven't lived long enough to have a reference point from which to perceive the wider perspective.
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 383 From: <--------- over there. Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 24, 2015 08:01 PM
^^^ I know society is effed up. While I generally agree on that part, I think it's such an ENORMOUS hurdle for pedophiles that I think another civil war would break out before 99% of parents would get within a mile of it. Now or 50 years from now. That I truly do believe. Just because someone has classified it as something doesn't mean it is on its way to acceptance. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 63631 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 24, 2015 08:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: ^^^ I know society is effed up. While I generally agree on that part, I think it's such an ENORMOUS hurdle for pedophiles that I think another civil war would break out before 99% of parents would get within a mile of it. Now or 50 years from now. That I truly do believe. Just because someone has classified it as something doesn't mean it is on its way to acceptance.
It is the slippery slope, Dop. When abortion was first made legal, it was rare. Now, a kid can have an abortion sent by the high school, WITHOUT the parent being notified. This is the same kind of slippery slope.
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1944 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 24, 2015 10:45 PM
The reason teens can have abortions without their parent's consent is because there are teens that are raped by their fathers.IP: Logged |
Swanlake Knowflake Posts: 146 From: Registered: Aug 2014
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posted July 24, 2015 11:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: The reason teens can have abortions without their parent's consent is because there are teens that are raped by their fathers.
Hardly. The real reason is that the State is actively working to undermine and remove control of parents over their own children. IP: Logged |