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virgotaurustaurus
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posted April 07, 2007 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgotaurustaurus     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17982545/

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lotusheartone
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posted April 07, 2007 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
tell that to Edgar Cayce. ...

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lotusheartone
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posted April 07, 2007 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
the TRUTH is, Science will never figure anything out, til they account for our SOUL. ...

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Azalaksh
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posted April 08, 2007 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
That's a rather humorous article
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As for what might make people more prone to committing such errors to begin with, McNally says that it could be the byproduct of especially vivid imagery skills. He has found that people who commonly make source-monitoring errors respond to and imagine experiences more strongly than the average person, and they also tend to be more creative.
More imaginative, more creative people believe in reincarnation, then?? OK, I'll accept that

The people who do studies like this are probably the same ones who try their best to debunk astrology

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posted April 08, 2007 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I'm more curious where scientists found those they recruited who recalled past lives under hypnosis. And even if it were an honest ad (and this study would need to be repeated several times with consistent results, and done by different researchers, to be considered valid, otherwise, it's pretty much anecdotal) and such, there are (in addition to others) 3 kinds of people that actively seek hypnosis to recall past lives and the like:

1. Those who have been haunted by problems and have found standard psychology to have failed to help them. Natch, these people are likely to be depressed, and may also experience other memory problems due to stress, drugs (prescribed and otherwise), probably bad habits, etc.

2. People who need to believe out of ego, that is, they are some great "old soul" or even the reincarnation of some (at least in their opinion) Great Figure. There are con-artists out there that will happily sell them their confirmation, and these people will simply not patronize any hypnotist that refuses to play along with their ego games. These types, I'd imagine, would have the same likelihood of problems as the 1st group of people. (I'd also think they'd be much more likely to answer any ad to talk about themselves, too!)

3. Certain people who have faced tragedy and don't want to believe that a lost opportunity is lost for all time, or even that there might come a time that they will never walk on a beautiful beach again (as one told me this), could lead them to seek out the same type as the ego-driven type. This again strikes me as likely to produce depression and a prone to using drugs or bad habits that also adversely affect memory.


NOTE: I'm NOT saying that everyone who has recalled memories under hypnosis are fools, and I repeat that I'm not lumping all who believe or even used hypnosis to recall previous lives into 3 categories. In fact, even with the 3 groups above, it's entirely possible that their past life memories are real (though being real, the hypnotist may be a con-artist who doesn't even believe in it--I find life is RICH with irony!). My point is that the problems they found may be explained by other factors that led them to finding memories of previous lives via hypnosis to begin with are coincidentally the same factors that make them test the way they do in these tests. That is, it's not some mental defect that makes them believe in reincarnation, but some problem that led them to try to uncover the source of their pain or to deal with their life in this way (in addition to many other ways they could've dealt with it) are to coincidentally account for the results.

I'm also curious where they got their group of those who didn't believe to contrast them with. If they got them from a university, a group that can be expected to have sharp memorization skills, that could also throw things off.


In addition, plenty of people have past life memories without the benefit of hypnosis. And as for "false memory," I looked into that a few years ago and I found that the vast majority of "false memory syndrome" were done with administered drugs IN ADDITION TO the hypnosis, at least to the point that they solidly believed enough to get the law involved (and even then it took time for a trained doctor or therapist to brainwash the victim enough to believe it). That is, this wasn't some new age hocus pocus, these false memories were generally created by professional doctors that knew how to twist their victim's memories in order to exploit their victim for the greed of the therapist (there was years of cashing in as a result, and suing the family helped pay the bills) and/or for some ideological cause (and there was more than one ideological faction exploiting this). That is to say, the standard way many new agers hypnotize clients (even con-artists) are different from how professional psychiatrists and the like got their victims to accept false memories.


My own views--musings, more like it (dang Libran indecisiveness!)--are too complicated to share and, IMO, irrelevent beyond that I'm agnostic on this. The point of my posting here isn't to promote or deny reincarnation and the memories of other lives, but to point out that the results of this study seem pretty predictable to me, and given everything, it doesn't really do anything to "debunk" past life memories itself. That the "connection" they speak of is coincidental rather than actual.

That's my immediate thoughts on the matter anyway.

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lotusheartone
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posted April 08, 2007 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
and more crap...does it ever end....


I really am thinking about leaving this site...
people are ridiculous....
I don't even think they have read Linda's books....oh well....

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Isis
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posted April 08, 2007 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
I think a billion Hindus might beg to differ with their assertion, especially when they use condescending phrases that in and of themselves belittle the concept, such as: "...could, in part, explain why people cling to implausible reincarnation claims in the first place.."

I can't say one way or the other much about reincarnation, I just didn't think very much about the way it was presented in the article, like, "of course we all know it's silly and stupid, we're just trying to prove it and see, we have..."

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Moon666Child
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posted April 08, 2007 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
Hiya Isis, am a Hindu.


BTW: when these so called scientists can never even figure out a single brain cell, all these are merely hypothesis. Eventually one day they come up with another story, another theory that disproves everything they have ever believed.

I am not saying everything that are held as beliefs are true, but if we take time to analyze and explain certain things to ourself, we will get the right answer - so long we are wise enough to ask the right questions, that is.


@ Lotus, don't get yourself stressed out for no reason. different people have different belief's but then there is an absolute truth as well. Everyone stands on different levels of knowledge.

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Dulce Luna
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posted April 08, 2007 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
The whole article sounds biased to begin with anyways, because of the way they mock reincarnation with words such as "implausable". Don't they think that if this is supposed to be scientific, then they should be a little more objective? I don't know whether or not to believe in it but there is no way that this article can convince me not to.

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