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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 07, 2007 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
The Evidence For Controlled Demolition Of The WTC Buildings

What The Experts And Eyewitnesses Have Said

http://911revisited.com/video.html

Expert Analysis Testimony begins at minute 36

Look at the evidence,
listen to the testimonies.

There's nothing to debate.

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Mirandee
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posted June 07, 2007 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the video, HSC. I watched the hearings on T.V. on C-Span. Watched part of the video but will have to watch the rest later.

Yep, I do believe it was done on purpose. Not something that being hit by airplanes could have accomplished. You can clearly see the buildings imploding on themselves. They also found residue of the chemical used for the purpose of implosions of buildings on the beams of the WTC.

I believe it was the "Pearl Harbor" necessary to fully implement the plans of the New World Order.

As of May 9,2007 in two national security presidential directives by Bush, he has called for Congress to succeed all government power to him alone should he name any event of his choosing a "national emergency." He didn't ask for their permission to do this. He directed them to give all government power to him.

Bush also did not give any kind of guidelines or conditions that would be considered a "national emergency." As usual it will be him who is the "decider."

In the presidential directives Bush also stated that all corporations in the U.S. and the people themselves would be totally under his control. Their movements etc at his directives.

In short, Bush will become the established dictator of America under any circumstance or event he decides is a national emergency.

With only a year left to his term why would he do this? Would he want all that power to be handed down to perhaps a Democrat elected president or anyone else?

Expect something along the lines of another 9/11 to happen before the election. There will be a few isolated and reported "terrorist" plots foiled by Homeland Security and the FBI before the big one comes.

Oh, and except for C-Span and WorldNet the only other news media source to report on these presidential directives was the Washington Post and that was in a short paragraph on page 13.

Congress has said nothing publically about this. They are too busy campaigning for the elections of 2008. Not one group such as Fair, MoveOn.org, True Majority, or any other organization to mention this either. They are still hammering on the Iraq War. Easily distracted it seems.

May 9,2007. The day that democracy died in the U.S. and without so much as a sqawk from Congress or the news media or anyone else.

Another prediction. Jwhop is going to show up on this thread and call me a liar. LOL

Add to this prediction, someone is going to come on this thread and tell us this is all too "negative."

P.S. Just giving my thoughts and some additional info. Not debating.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 07, 2007 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Mirandee.

Well put.

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whalewasp78
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posted June 07, 2007 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whalewasp78     Edit/Delete Message
I tell ya, it's '1984' happening under people's noses...they're too placated by 'reality shows'.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 07, 2007 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
What do you guys want to do about it?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 07, 2007 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Good f--ing question.

What can we do?

Any suggestions?

I just sign various petitions to officials on thepetitionsite.com

Not sure what else to do.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 07, 2007 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I personally think we should begin building a hidden rebel base and....

I don't know. I read about this about 6 months after it first happened. I think we could set up a monthly time to gather together (our energies) and pray for many more people to see what is happening, and pray that we might begin to take the necessary steps down the path we are meant to take...

But if anyone owns a lot of land...

some digging equipment
has masonry skills

oh


JUST JOKING

(mostly)

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Mirandee
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posted June 07, 2007 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
All we can realistically do at this time is write our representatives in Congress and let them know how we feel about these presidential directives. Demand that they do something about it.

The name and number of the directives are in a post I put in about it at GU. Also Pid posted the entire directives as written and signed by Bush. No where in his directives does he mention Congress except to say they have to relinquish all government power for him to control. He does not say he intends to work with Congress.

That's unconstitutional as our constitution provides a checks and balance system of government with supposedly shared power with the Executive Branch.

I know you are half joking, MM but it may come to that. Under the constitution the military can legally remove a president from office if he goes nuts with power and undermines democracy and the constitution. Not sure we can count on them any more than we can count on Congress.

If the people rebel we would definitely need the military on our side. I don't think any amount of guns all the people had in this country would stop the weapons our government has.

That Congress isn't screaming their heads off about this, democrats and republicans alike is what amazes me. If they are going to continue to be a do nothing Congress then I don't know what is going to happen to this country.

I worry for my grandkid's future though. Truthfully I think Bush has gone completely insane with power. He needs, for the sake of freedom and democracy, to be removed from office. Cheney and the rest of them along with him.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 07, 2007 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I just don't see a point in telling the minions what the leader is up to. I discovered this corruption at a very young age and I long ago made my peace with the powerlessness I felt about it. I've decided that my best course of action is to become a strong person and help my daughter and those I love to become strong and aware.

I appreciate what you and Jwhop do to shed light on these issues from different perspectives and I appreciate all you do "by the proper channels" to attempt to balance the corruption. I can't handle it. If I would have attempted to do battle on these issues politically before I became a parent, the best result would have been me dying for my country after infiltrating some underground government bunker with explosives hidden in my shoe. I'm sure that's not possible, and if it was I'm far too stuffed with chemical laden fruits and vegetables and yummy ice-cream treats and movie rentals to actually carry out my evil plan (MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA) so it doesn't matter anyway.
And I would never give up even a day with my daughter to save this world from 1984, because if anyone remembers 1984, that is what they were denied. So the government can rest easy as usual.

I figure, either we believe they have an evil plan, the whole N W O thing, in which case speaking to Congress doesn't do any good, and it explains why they aren't doing anything... or we just assume he is a dumb ass and things are getting twisted by corporate interests etc and everything is getting out of control.

I don't know, reminds me of the Silent war link that probably Fayte posted a long time ago. Makes me feel like puking just thinking about it. That kind of stuff takes my power away so I think it is more productive to focus on improving myself and my loved ones to survive and combat any situations that arise in our lifetimes. Just keep focused and prayerful and be aware.

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Mirandee
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posted June 07, 2007 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I never feel powerless. There is always hope and I just keep doing what little I can do realizing if we all did that things would change for the better in our world a whole lot faster.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 07, 2007 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground."

~ Rumi

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MysticMelody
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posted June 07, 2007 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
If I felt that my vote on a petition or even on a national ballot would make any difference at all to a system that is so corrupt as to actually implode the Twin Towers, destroying all of those families, I would not feel powerless in that area either. I think that is why I read some at Global every once and a while. I always have hope that things aren't as they seem and someone will shed light on the situation for me. My mind still hasn't begun to see things too differently, but the Lincoln project I did recently helped me to see how similar politics has been for so long, and since I already see us as living in heirachical society that seems distressingly similar to King/Queen, Lords/Ladies, on down to the serfs, I don't really see much changing. I'm not trying to argue with you at all, just sharing some thoughts for anyone who cares. I would like you to elaborate on how you can consider that the president (with the help of many others) will cause an event that is similar to 911 that he can call a national emergency so he can take over the country, and still think that writing our congress people would make a difference in such a corrupt and far-reaching plan. I might be taking you wrong, but it seems like you are saying that there is THAT much corruption on one hand, while saying that if everyone did their part to write to congress people it would make a difference. That doesn't make sense to me.
I am glad you plan to do what you can and what you think is right in that area (even if I don't understand it). I will do what I can in a different area. I don't think we are working at cross purposes, so I am happy.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 07, 2007 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Beautiful Rumi quote, that cheered me right up.
I had a disturbed frown right before I read that and I was starting to feel the weight of the world on my shoulders.

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Mirandee
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posted June 08, 2007 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
There is corruption in government, MM. However, I don't think that everyone in politics or government is corrupt. The system may be corrupt but not everyone in the system.

For that reason I see nothing wrong in signing petitions or writing my representatives and telling them what I think or would like to see changed. After all we elect these people in Congress to be just that, our representatives in government. How are they going to represent us if they don't know how we feel about things, if they don't know what we think about the issues?

We, the American people, are part of the problem. We are partially to blame for allowing the system to become so corrupt due to our apathy and complacency. For so long many Americans didn't even vote, or if they did it was based on a personality contest rather than on the voting records of candidates and their backgrounds etc. If the guy came off well on T.V. and had a certain chrisma and people knew his name then he got elected.

We are supposed to watch the government. Keep an eye on what our government is doing. Be informed. Mostly we could care less to do that. We expect others to do it for us - those who we elect to represent us - but they haven't got a clue what we think or want because they never hear from us. Trust me, they are thrilled to hear from their constituents. That has been my experience. They don't always agree and will write back telling me what they feel and why they feel that way. I will either agree and understand their viewpoint or I won't. But it is an exchange and the way our government was meant to work. The reason that most people give for not contacting their congressional reps is that feeling that it would do no good.

I don't know what result any of my actions may have. I may never know that in my lifetime. So when I reach out to help someone in need, the poor and those suffering, I have no idea if what I may say or do is going to have any effect at all. The same applies to government. But does that mean that I should stop trying to make a difference in someone's life or change the wrongs in our world? Silence in the face of injustice or oppression of any kind only aids and abets it to continue on. It does nothing to stop it.

So I do it anyway. Look at how long the black peoples of this country suffered under oppression and descrimination until one man, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke out and said this is wrong, this is immoral, this is not the way it is supposed to be. Had he sat quietly in the face of all the injustice nothing would have changed.

We aren't all called to do the great things of the likes of MLK, or Gandhi, or Mother Teresa but in our ordinary, small ways we can all do what we can. We never know if it will do any good. We don't really need to know that. We can only try. We can only hope.

At least it is an effort in the right direction. Doing nothing achieves just that, nothing.

None of us like to think that our government would actually be behind the events of 9/11 but the truth is that all through history governments ( and religions) have done much worse to gain power and control. Great empires such as America have come and gone all through the history of the world. Many of those governments have been destroyed from within due their own corruption. Why would America be any different? In fact a plan such as the events of 9/11 were handed to John Kennedy in the 60's by a group of generals. They wanted to shoot down a plane load of students and blame it on Cuba so they would have an excuse to go to war with Cuba and oust Castro. They could easily sell the war to the American people who would be whipped into anger over the death of those students. It was called the Northwoods Project. Kennedy rejected it. However, an American ship was sunk later on and that is what drew us into the Vietnam war. The people of countries don't like war. It has to be sold to them for them to accept it.

Some conspiracy theories have been proven to be valid. Others are just that, conspiracy theories. The entire events of 9/11 at the WTC and the Pentagon just don't add up and Bush has repeatedly denied an independent investigation. The 9/11 Committee was hand selected by the White House. Only one congressman, a democrat, brought up the questions posed by those events and the evidence. He was dimissed from the committee and replaced. Why would a president be so opposed to an independent investigation? That in itself puts suspicion in the minds of citzens. As well it should.

The system is corrupt but I don't think it is entirely corrupt yet. Who is going to change it and clean it up? Certainly not those benefiting from the corruption. So that leaves us and hopefully those in the system who haven't as yet sold their souls and sold out this country to corporate influence in government.

That's how I see it anyway. I can only try. In my mind that beats doing nothing but complaining about the way things are or giving into hopelessness in the face of evil. Before you can do anything to stop evil you have to first speak out and name it.

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posted June 08, 2007 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
"The system is corrupt but I don't think it is entirely corrupt yet." ~ Mirandee

Ok, now I get you. Thanks for your thoughts. I like that you have written and received responses. So, not form letters then, real responses. Well that is interesting and informative. I have heard it said many times that people are part of the problem... voting popularity contest, we can't stand by in the face of evil, hide heads in the sand, MLK Gandhi Mother T,etc., but yadda yadda yadda, ya know? I did find the information about JFK of interest and I appreciate you clarifying your position with the quote I copied at the top. Now your views make more sense to me. Myself, I am unsure of the level of corruption because I don't have all of the information you have studied. Therefore, I am now closer to believing your above statement and you have planted a seed in my mind that it might be somewhat worthwhile to write to a representative should I have an issue in the future. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to explain your position to me. I know it is difficult to communicate with someone when you have no idea where they starting from and what information they already have, and what they are lacking. Thank you for the chat!

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whalewasp78
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posted June 08, 2007 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whalewasp78     Edit/Delete Message
I think one step 'backwards' from 1984 would be eliminating lobbyists. The bigger and more wealthy the corporation, the more money and lobbyists, which means more influence in Congress. I've argued this before, and the only response I get is always 'it's a neccessary evil'. What?

(BTW, my 'Thought Criminal' t-shirt arrived in the mail!)

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whalewasp78
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posted June 08, 2007 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whalewasp78     Edit/Delete Message
"One cannot see the modern world as it is unless one recognises the overwhelming strength of patriotism, national loyalty. In certain circumstances it can break down, at certain levels of civilization it does not exist, but as a positive force there is nothing to set beside it. Christianity and international socialism are as weak as straw in comparision with it. Hitler and Mussolini rose to power in their own countries very largely because they could grasp this fact and their opponents could not."-George Orwell

What better way to rouse patriotism to make people follow your aims than an attack on their homeland?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 08, 2007 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
and cattle
ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well-known
incident that
many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and the
Federal government.

However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of
March 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day,
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Bill O'Reilly, Rush
Limbaugh, Condolezza
Rice, and Dan Quayle were all born.

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep. This
piece of information may clear up a lot of things.

- source unknown

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 08, 2007 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
March 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day,
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Bill O'Reilly, Rush
Limbaugh, Condolezza
Rice, and Dan Quayle were all born.

Errr, that can't be right; because George W. Bush is a cancer and Condoleeza Rice is a Scorpio. I'm not sure about the rest though...

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 08, 2007 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, its total bs.

Funny, though.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 08, 2007 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Did you order that t-shirt or should I be expecting my new uniform in the mail soon as well...?


As a representative of the Equal and Humane treatment of both aliens and sheep, I am here to inform you that we believe that comment to be defamatory and if you refuse to retract it we will be forced to seek legal action against you.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 08, 2007 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whalewasp78     Edit/Delete Message
Here's where I ordered the shirt:
http://www.bant-shirts.com/war-is-peace-t-shirt.htm

Not sure if by accident, but they sent me an extra t-shirt called 'Killing In Our Name: US World Tour'.

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posted August 19, 2007 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

Didn't read this thread before but I found it again to check it out- I have been talking about the same stuff in GU....anyone seen the speech by William Rodriguez? Incredible.

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Ego is no more than this: identification with form, which primarily means thought forms. If evil has any reality - and it has a relative, not absolute, reality - this is also it's definition: complete identification with form - physical forms, thought forms, emotional forms. This results in a total unawareness of my connectedness with the whole, my intrinsic oneness with every "other" as well as with the Source. This forgetfulness is original sin, suffering, delusion. When this delusion of utter separateness underlies and governs whatever I think, say and do, what kind of world do I create? To find the answer to this, observe how humans relate to each other, read a history book, or watch the news on television tonight.

If the structures of the human mind remain unchanged, we will always end up re-creating fundamentally the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction."

Ekhart Tolle
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Happy Dragon
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posted August 19, 2007 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6341851.stm ~

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