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venusdeindia
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posted January 25, 2009 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusdeindia     Edit/Delete Message
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Prenatal DNA test for babies of affairs

Daniel Foggo

PATERNITY tests are being carried out by DNA laboratories on unborn children while they are still in the womb, enabling their mothers to abort them if they are the product of an extramarital affair.

The service, known as a prenatal paternity test, is being used by hundreds of British women every year, according to one of the laboratories performing it.

Most of the women opting for it have had affairs and are anxious to know whether the child they are carrying was fathered by their partner or their illicit lover.

Some DNA laboratories are refusing to perform the prenatal paternity test, insisting that it is unethical, a view echoed by pro-life campaign groups. Invasive procedures are necessary for testing, raising the risk of a miscarriage and also posing a health risk to the mother.


It is the latest ethical difficulty to hit the burgeoning business of private DNA testing. There are believed to be at least 20,000 tests carried out each year in Britain, with prices starting from as little as £99. Academic research shows many fathers are right to be doubtful about their children’s provenance, with 1 in 25 unwittingly raising another man’s offspring.

Last week a court heard how Elspeth Chapman spent 17 years believing that an unrelated man was her father, only discovering his true identity in her mother’s diary. It was later confirmed through genetic testing.

To avoid such a situation, some women are resorting to invasive procedures to find out their child’s father.

DNA Solutions, an international firm that claims to be the biggest provider of genetic tests in the UK, acknowledges that some of the women using its prenatal test – which costs upwards of £234 – will probably go on to have terminations if the baby is shown to have the “wrong” father.

Dan Leigh, marketing director for the company, said that they were performing up to 500 prenatal paternity tests in the UK each year. The practice is even more prevalent in the United States, where DNA Solutions also operates. “The prenatal paternity test is starting to grow,” Leigh said.

He added that there had been “a few cases in the US that have resulted in abortion” although not necessarily involving DNA Solutions.

He conceded that if a woman takes a test showing that her unborn child is not her husband’s, she may want to have an abortion to cover up her infidelity. But he also said that other women may go on to have the child adopted or use the paternity issue to end their marriage and instead legitimise their secret relationship.

“All those scenarios are a possibility but I would be speculating if I gave you a percentage,” he said. The company was not usually aware of the outcome of each case it handled.

“The vast majority of clients for the prenatal paternity test have perhaps had an affair and the husband has found out about it and is demanding a test, or else she wants clarification of who the father is without actually asking her husband,” Leigh said.

Under British law DNA tests can be carried out only if the person whose cells are being scrutinised has given written permission.

“If she had an affair with someone and she was pregnant and she went for a prenatal test, she could ask the guy she had the affair with and then compare the result with his profile,” Leigh said.

In order to extract a useable sample for testing, the pregnant woman must undergo either chorionic villus sampling, which is carried out between the 11th and 18th week of gestation or, more commonly, amniocentesis which is done slightly later. Both procedures slightly increase the risk to mother and baby.

Mark Pursglove, international operations manager for International Biosciences in Sussex, said his company also offered prenatal paternity tests, but only as a last resort.

“The most common reason is an extramarital affair and wanting to find out whether the baby is their partner’s or not. In those cases we tend to persuade them to wait until the baby is born,” he said.

“The fact that they may then want a termination is exactly why we are very careful when we are talking to people because obviously we can’t condone or support that.”

Other DNA laboratories said they had moral objections to offering the test. Rebecca Butler, of London-based DNA Bio-science, said: “We don’t do the prenatal paternity test. We have some issues with it, one being the ethics. I can only make the assumption that if it is the wrong person [as the father] then they might review their view of the pregnancy.

“It’s a moral issue, more than anything, and we’ve just taken the view that we are not comfortable doing them. Quite often the husband will be completely oblivious. It is such a sticky subject we just steer clear of it. We don’t want to get involved.”

Josephine Quintavalle, founder of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said: “This is very worrying indeed. It is obvious that those taking the test may then want an abortion. Those offering this test are encouraging ‘solutions’ of that kind.”

Leigh defended the prenatal paternity service: “Personally I think the truth should be out there. If you are raising a family, as a father you have every right to know.”



My vote : Nay , both the " Fathers have a right to know and whoever decides he is the father should be allowed a joint right with a mother to decide if HE wants to be a Father in as much as SHE wants to be a mother "

Just about EQUAL , I'd say .


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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 25, 2009 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
OK, so cutting to the chase here, you're pretty much saying that you're pro-life.

And that if anyone else is not, they are....pro-adultery.

Well, then, I guess I am pro-adultery.
Harlot that I am. I shall wear my tattered negligee with panache, and apply another coat of harlot-red lipstick since I obviously have absolutely no morals

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Azalaksh
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posted January 26, 2009 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Ridiculous thread -- with no choice in the choices.....
How about ~ I'm pro Life *and* pro adultery!!

MVM
May I join you??

So, this service is being used by "hundreds" of British women. Let's say 900 just for S&G's. The population of the UK is a little over 60,000,000. That makes this a rampant (non)issue concerning .0015% of the population.

**Yawn**

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LEXX
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posted January 26, 2009 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Both are complex issues.
The adultry label is so archaic.
So freaking scarlet letterish!
And abortion issue is not a black and white thing. Too many factors and variables to consider.
Also testing during pregnancy is not uncommon in women over age 36 or so.
And which is worse? An unwanted child, abused during their childhood...or to be aborted early as possible?
It is a complicated choice.
I will shock and disgust you now.
I have been pregnant by lovers.
I would have kept their children had I not miscarried.
But not everyone wants to or can just make that kind of choice.
And I will not explain myself, but there were many circumstances involved for me and I NEVER felt I was an adulteress!

On that note I guess I have to join MVM and Zala.

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Lara
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posted January 26, 2009 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
i don't get it..

if you are an adulterer then you are very much alive!

As far as getting pregnant whilst married, hell l did. Ok l was separated and almost divorced and l had my child alone. Would l change my mind? hell no!!

I was crazy though cos my husband was a muslim and if he found out he would have killed me so l lived in fear for 6 months.

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posted January 26, 2009 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
    Definitions of cut bait on the Web:

refers to various natural predator baits, such as strips of shad, cut into pieces and used as bait.

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posted January 26, 2009 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, if everything were so black and white. You have to allow for the variables of individual circumstances. There's a big difference between life experience and theories.

We all have ideals. They are the black and white. All that grey stuff in between. That's called life.

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posted January 26, 2009 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I vote condoms and a sneaky one.

He'll do:


Now can we talk about something else please.

I'm really bored of all these cut and past feminist discussion posts.

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posted January 26, 2009 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
bm

I vote NO CONDOMS. But wait, what if I become pregnant by my secret lover........ oh, oops, back on-thread again.

Sorry bm.

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posted January 26, 2009 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message

Do you remember these? (Female condoms)

They weren't out for long.

"Like shagging in a plastic bag".

For the life of me I can't remember the sordid individual who made this comment.


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posted January 26, 2009 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Female condoms. Nope. Never had the, ahhh, pleasure. Ribbed for his pleasure? I bet those didn't come in edible format.

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posted January 26, 2009 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It was a long time ago, Peace.

Saggy plastic bag might be about right.

Maybe I should ask kilt boy for another go just to confirm the theory. Don't think they are on sale any more though.

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posted January 26, 2009 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Saggy plastic bag. Sounds accommodating to a body that pushed out three kids in under three years. Yeah, okay, I'll take one.

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posted January 26, 2009 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
There you go, love, reuse, reduce, recycle:

Just take the shopping out first, eh? Mr Angel won't want the frozen goods defrosting.

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posted January 26, 2009 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Dilemma. Not on sale any longer. Hmmm. Glad wrap as a substitute?

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posted January 26, 2009 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, the actual plastic bag subsitute. Yes. Those things are going to be banned as from next year here. Then what? Oh, perhaps I should write to Martha Stewart. She may have some ideas.

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posted January 26, 2009 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 26, 2009 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
ROFL.

EDIT: bm. That looks like a month long supply.

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posted January 26, 2009 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
female condoms were so huge! Who the heck could use them?! I got a sample pack once and looked at it and said no way!

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posted January 26, 2009 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
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Do you remember these? (Female condoms)

They weren't out for long.

"Like shagging in a plastic bag".

For the life of me I can't remember the sordid individual who made this comment.


You can't remember the name of the sordid individual who made this comment? That's absolutely DISGUSTING Blue Moon. If you didn't know the name of the person you shouldn't have been shagging him should you? Female condom or not.

This only reinforces, and rightly so might I add, the message of this thread - that British women are tarts and should be banned.

Actually, Venus, here's a proposition for ya:

Say the adulterous British tarts aborted only the female babies that were not the spawn of their husbands?

Thereby ensuring that the whole next generation of adulterous British tarts were done away with in one fell swoop.

That would leave only the innocent boy children who would then be able to cry into their cornflakes and commit suicide in peace, without some bloody liberal feminist to bring them down with all her yapping on about child support, and the bruises on her ribs and mistresses they've taken and the prostitutes they've slept with and the washing up and that? Huh? Whaddya say?

A simple clean solution to a thorny problem. I like it.

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posted January 26, 2009 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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If you didn't know the name of the person you shouldn't have been shagging him should you? Female condom or not.

OMG! ROFL!

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posted January 26, 2009 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
^^^^ there's another one. Slag! Australian slag!

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posted January 26, 2009 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Slag? I'm a fan of the English version. Slapper.

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posted January 26, 2009 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 26, 2009 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spunknini     Edit/Delete Message
You guys are the master thread hijackers of the year....BRAVO

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