posted July 27, 2001 11:19 PM              

I have found the nodes to be one of the more difficult things to find info on and to piece together. What has mostly confused me is that while I do see myself in the NN (much more so than my actual sun sign) I find that the south Node is what gives me the most trouble. Let me explain: I have had trouble in my life doing things 'step by step', being orderly, etc. Yet my south node is Taurus which means that that should be one of my abilities .... what I have concluded FOR MYSELF (I speak for noone else because I am just starting out in astrology and do not know too much about it) is that I am here to work on BOTH nodes equally ... not to move away from my south node toward my north node, but to be able to use them both in tandem and remain balanced. One of the interesting things to me is that the opposite polarities of the sign have the same goal ... just different methodoligies about achieving that goal. I find them both difficult to work through ... and for practical reasons I find that the SN is the one that affects my life the most ... but the NN definately affects my relations.

posted July 28, 2001 03:23 PM              

ACHILLES HEEL/TRAP TO AVIOD/THE BOTTOM LINE

Capricorn NN need to be aware of dependance. The desire to be taken care of can lead them into the trap of unending seathc for security. They develope emotional dependancies on others which force people into becoming a basis for their security. But it is a bottomless pit: They can never the security they think they need to be capable adults and take charge of their lives.

The bottom line is that they simply have to be willing to run the risk,take charge, assume full responisboiltty for the consequences. When Cappy NN recognize a goal that is important to them they gain the self respect and assurance they need to live responisbly. The irony is that once they take charge they feel secure and in control of their own destiny.

What these people really want is an environment in which to feel safe , protected, cared for, doted on---a place where they feel they belong.

To acheive this, they must be willing to let go of the idea that one special peroson, or group, will provide it just because they think they need it. Instead, Cappy NN must take charge of creating what they need for themselves. By pursuing a goal that energizes them or by finding an ideal or set of principles taht builds their self respect they will develope feelings of belonging in whatever circumstances they find themselves. They need to find a focus beyond their scattered emotuonal needs and those of the people aroing them. when they bring themselves into alignment with a higher principle or spiritusal belief, they feel protected and nurtured.

posted July 28, 2001 03:29 PM              

TALENTS/PROFESSION

These people excel at being the boss, so management, public speaking, politics and entrapreneirship are good choices for them. Others are willing to co-operate with their goals since they approach people under their authority with sensitivity.

TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN ANY AREA THESE NN NEED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

...have finely honed instincts for empathy.
...always aware of other peoples feelings

However, if they pursue professions that stress nurturing as the end result they often become enmeshed in feelings of helplessness and unable to get on top of the situation. They are better off in goal oriented proffestions or positions that enable them to use their sensitivity to lovingly organize others to work toward a specific goal.

posted July 28, 2001 03:40 PM              

PAST LIVES

Cappy NN have spent many lifetimes as householders: as central fiqures in the home and on the farm, they were thoroughly identified with their family or clan.

...developed a natural understanding of how families work ....but they have not had a lot of past experience in being out on their own.

THEIR GREATEST JOY WILL COME FROM BEING OUT IN THE WORLD.

By giving up worldly experience to be in the home, they sacrificed their sense of competence and self respect. In this incarnation they are learning to be in charge of their OWN destinies.

In past lives the home was everything to them, and all of their needs were taken care of by the family.

When things dont go as they want they overreact emotionally hoping others will notice and care for them. But, people percieve this as a means of controlling and are unwilling to modify their behaviour just to appease these natives. (! both my parents have this node!)

Cappy NN are learning that in order for their lives to work they must approach situations from a position of being in charge.

THEY MUST DISCARD ALL TENDENCIES TO MANIPULATE OTHERS THROUGH EMOTIONAL OUTBURSTS.

THEY MUST DEVELOPE THEIR OWN LIFE GOALS.

posted July 28, 2001 03:49 PM              

FAMILY KARMA

These folks have difficult famuly karma. Too often, they are born into a situation where immediate family memebers have emotional problems (hmm, both parents are from abusive homes with mentally ill parents)
and the NN spends alot of time being empathetic ... they are drained from taking on the others problems and dont feel capable of helping them change.

....these NN have difficulty when they get to close to members of their immediate famulies. Actually, the problem is not the closeness but the intent "If I can only get this perosn on track, then finally I can have my own life, pursue my own goals, and be a person in my own right!"

They want to get it over with so they can live their own life.

The problem is two fold:
1.trying to get the other person on track is a way to postpone making the commitment to taking care of their own lives

2.trying to help someone else achieve success is premature when they have not yet learned how to do it themselves.

posted July 28, 2001 03:59 PM              

EMOTIONAL SENSITIVITY

They are so awaure of the reasons people fail that they often become too accepting of their own lack of accomplishment.

When they do not feel like being disciplined enough to work toward their goal they apply that same understanding to themselves and as an excuse to postpone direct action.

They cant handle negative energy so they mitigate their own behaviour ... thier plans and their own personal direction in order to accomadate others. ....they can easily end up being controlled by the feelings of others.

THESE FOLKS TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSABILITY FOR OTHER PEOPLES MOODS. THEY WANT TO MAKE THE OTHER PERSON HAPPY SO THEY CAN FEEL HAPPY.

They cannot seperate themselves from the generalized mood of people in the environment. Other people may resent not being allowed to express their true feelings because it upsets the Cappy NN.

These natives live in avoidance of anything that may stir up emotions ... in themselves or others ...they are afraid it will cause negative feelings in others.

Cappy NN are learning to stop controlling others moods and simply allow others to feel what they feel. ...if they try to rob others of the negative emotions they rob othes of the opportunity to grow.

posted July 28, 2001 04:22 PM              

.....they hate the possiblity of rejection. In fact, the thought of rejection is crippling for them. If someone rejects them they not only feel bad about themselves but they think it was their fault ... they enter situations cautiously.

...they harbour a perception (a false one!) that they are not worth much by themselves and when they are rejected it proves that ti them. If they think they have been rejected they cant sleep at night.

Understandabley then, these folks hate to reject others (it is a running joke that "thank god my dad is not a women because he cant say no"). They tend to take responsiblity for others feelings and spend a long time on why they were justified in rejecting someone ... they can be upset for HOURS.

HANGING ON

....they are so open to their own feelings that they also tend to keep open a door to feelings from the past. They dont want to close off any of the happy times because they dont know what is going to happen in the future. THEY USUALLY AVOID THINKING OF THE FUTURE AT ALL COSTS. But until they begin to visualize the future their only reality is the past and present. When they look back at the past these folks are seeking to regain memories and feelings and joy and love. But they also become aware of things they didnt do and wish they had ... which makes them remorsefull.

....they are very sentimental and have a difficult time letting go and they do not want to hurt anyones feelings. When they start to leave a situation, even if it is not working, they get depressed so they hang in there until they finally realize there is no hope. They do all they can to make a job, relationship, situation work. When their survival is threatened they will leave ...

Their difficulty in letting go occurs when they lack goals for the future.

One of the most diffucult things for them to let go is their desire for control. They always want to make situations work out THIER way. They think they are in control but they need to distinquish between control and management.

...they always want more: more attention, more time, more nurturing-in order to feel good. Their whole world revolves areound their family and they expect it to be recipricol. But more nurturing from family members is not forthcoming ... it is not set up that way this lifetime.

Moreover, these folks avoid taking action by always thinking they need more help, advice, confidence ... more of something first. They thing that the more they are seeking will come from other people. Actually, the more comes from fullfiling their own goals.

As parents, they often seem as one of the kids because they approach children as equals. They are reluctant to take care of others when they are not even sure they can take care themselves.

posted July 28, 2001 04:29 PM              

NEED FOR ATTENTION

When they are young, they will do anything for attention. Often act moody or snap at another .....

This attribute sometimes keeps them from using their achievment muscles-they think they should be given attention for who they are, not for what they do. They may even create crisis in their life so that others will notice and become interested. However, it is a double edged sword because they feel guilty about this when they gain too much attention.

When they are holding back and not reaching for their goals, they feel they do not deserve any attention anbd thereby keep themselves from reciveing the very thing they crave the most.

The irony is that when they do set a goal and go for it, others do notice! When they are taking chances and working toward goals they feel worthy and are open to noticing and recieving attention from others.

posted July 29, 2001 12:19 PM              

These folks hesitate to take full responseability for themselves.

They often appear to be taking responseability, and with small stuff they usually do: paying the bills, buying groceries, listening to family problems, etc. But they avoud the larger issues. ie, when they try to fiqure out what to do with their lives they just sit and consider an endless stream of ideas. When they finally become motivated, they ask "Do I really want to do this?" then they give it up again!

They have a thousand excuses from their subconcious urging them to postpone toward what they are here to do in a lifetime ....

Because these NN are very loving, their habit of yeilding to others interferes with their lives.

They need to re-examine their values in relation to how they show love. One value should be keeping commitments, which produces inner strength. They need to let others know what the rules and the limits are and STICK to them unflinchingly.

...they are fiquring out what they want to be 'when they grow up'.

These folks have a 'hyper' quality--they want to get to the next thing.

They sometimes doubt their own competence to take asvantage of opportunities for themselves. They think they are supposed to know things that they truly dont know and they try to hide their lack of experience by pretending the info is not important to them. The adult perspective is to understand that everyone needs info from others to reach their goals, no one reaches a goal without input from others who are more experienced.

These people may be too ready to listen to outside authorities rather than listening to their inner truth.

They dont care about getting the credit ...

They think they are not good communicators, but really it is only difficult when they become emotional.

For cappy NN strength increases with age!

NEEDS

Cappy NN have an insatiable need to feel secure. They like the safety of a routine, waking up at certain times, eating at a certain time, coming home, etc.

BELONGING

They have a deep need to belong. Home and property are important in giving them a sense of security (but they do not have good real estate karma).

Because of the focus of home, they spend TOO MUCH time there. When they do, the home can keep them from expanding and taking charge of their life.

...sometimes avoid interaction with the outside world.

posted July 29, 2001 12:34 PM              

FEAR OF FAILURE/SELF RESPECT

Cappy NN has such an exaggerated fear of failure that it cripples them ... as long as they are afraid they are going to fail, they think they can get away with depending on others. They think they are not quite ready to seek success. However, sooner or later they realize no one is going to take care of them this time.

Sometimes these folks use any excuse -their age- to aviod facing the the world.

Fear of aging ....

However, cappy NN are the very people who should embrace age!(since strength comes to them with age)

The roles they seek are usually enhanced by age ... it gives them more power, creditablity , authority.

When they are in doubt about wither a specific action is correct, they can use the barometer of self repect to determine if they are on the path. ie, if they are anxious about makeing a phone call they can ask themselves "Regardless of the outcome, will making this call give me a sense of self respect?"

...they are afraid of not being perfect or competent. Once they take the plunge and JUST DO IT their success validates their abilities.

MAINTAINING A POSITIVE FOCUS

They are good at encouraging others to pursue their dreams and offering motivation, enthusiasm, and supportive energy.

Although these folks are subject to dark moods, they are very resiliant.

Because they have such a strong mind-feeling connection, they are good HEALERS.

...have a habit of dwelling on the potential negatives of a situation.

These natives are not normally couragous and do not take chances in life. Thus, when people they care about are excited to take a chance in life, these folks need to conciously show a positive attitude.

TAKING CHARGE

These folks come from the framework of limited goals. But in this lifetime, it is set up for them to win every time they take charge and accept the opportunities presented to them.

posted July 29, 2001 12:42 PM              

They may think they are very open, but they actually have alot of trouble sharing how they feel.

They understand things easily, often are very intellegent .....

They get 'feelings' and 'hunches' about why a person rejected them, but they are nearly always wrong.

It helps to have a specific goal in mind before trying to resolve an issue with another person ... wanting to create unity, end the relation, etc. ... it helps them remain objective.

RELEASING THE PAST

....often dislike, and feel alienated, from one or both of their parents (this is true in both my parents case, and my grandmother ...they disliked a parent).

In a subconcious attempt to punish their parents they may keep themselves from reaching their goals.

posted July 29, 2001 12:58 PM              

ATTRACTING THE RIGHT MATE

... from past lives they think they need a strong partner for protection and support. Sometimes they attract the wrong partner -- someone who wants to keep them in the home. But if this happens their inner self begins to rebel after a time and they end up repelling the very person they were attracted to . In this lifetime, something inside of them wants to prove their capacity to take care of themselves. What they really need is a partner who can support them in developeing their own proffesional and personal authority.

The fullfillment they seek will never come from a relationship ... it will come from actively pursuing their mission.

...when she begins to let her partner know what is impartant to her, the relationship begins to accomadate HER.

Once these folks are actively pursuing their own goals they can see if someone will be an asset or liability .... because they can be objective ... since they dont depend on the partner for survival.

...take on an exagerate Mother role in relationships.

INTIMACY

They value intimacy ... being able to talk freely, bare their souls, and be close without fear of judgement. They do not understand when this intimacy does not happen. Some people dont want intimacy. They are learning not to waste time trying to create intimacy with those who dont want it.

COMMUNICATION

A primary factor in the problems of cappy NN people in intimacy is their disinclination to listen. They can be practically impossible to talk to unless the other person is willing to do all of the listening. They are so thrilled when the other person asks their thoughts, opinion that they lose touch with what the other person wants.

They tend to project their own needs onto others rather than hearing the other persons real needs (MOM AND DAD!! ) This is because they think they are incapable of filling others non-physical needs. They are afraid that even if they do understand the needs, they wont be able to do anything about it.

THEY MUST DELIBERATELY CONCENTRATE ON LISTENING.

posted July 29, 2001 01:03 PM              

ROLE MODELS

Cappy NN LOVES role models ... they want to be like their ideal of someone else who had a good wit, presence, or success in achieving a goal they desire. When they have a model to emulate, it helps them to grow.

It works for these folks to emulate successful people (for us all, i think!).

Cappy NN tend to let others take credit for their work ....it is in their best interest to take credit for their work because the recoginition is what they need to feel secure.

posted July 29, 2001 01:09 PM              

ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOPE

*Co-operation
*Diplomacy and tact
*Increasing awareness of others' needs
*Selflessness: giving support without expecting reciprocity
*Creating a win/win situation
*Sharing
*Seeing things through anothers eyes
*Communicating self identity

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

*Impulsiveness
*Thoughts of self assertion
*Lack of awareness of others needs for support
*Self centredness (what an odd phrase to be negative!)
*Lack of good judgement regarding money
*Expecting others to be like oneself
*Indifference to how one is seen by others
*Resistance to compramise
*Outbursts of anger
*Overconcern with survival.

posted July 29, 2001 01:12 PM              

Randall, I have a question: Since the nodes are of the moon, do we have to look at the sign of our moon and the house it is in as well when thinking of our nodes? I mean, if I have a gemini moon in the 3rd for example, and NN in scorpio in eigth do I look at the node through the filter of a gemini?