posted December 06, 2002 04:08 PM              

1. He is Virgin
2. He is Masculine
3. He is a good teacher
4. He is good in whatever he does

Please feel free to add or contradict?

posted December 06, 2002 10:27 PM            

I'm using a chart of Jesus with Virgo Rising and Sun in Virgo.

One could pitch a case for Leo or possibly Leo Rising. It's all speculative at this point anyway, but a good execise in astrological gymnastics.

The data I'm using are: 9/11/03 3BC.
Bethlehem, Israel 5:42 AM LMT (this is just a sunrise chart, but I like the symbology!)

The Vigo rising: Born of a VIRGIN

Moon in Libra: THE ONLY SIGN NOT REPRESENTED BY A LIVING BEING

posted December 06, 2002 10:41 PM            

15 Virgo (both Sun AND Asc. in this chart, as in any SunRISE chart): Denotes a lover of nature in her grandeur, one of artistic (carpenter ), mystic and philosophic mind who will MOVE ABOUT a great deal and TRAVEL TO VARIOUS PLACES. He is capable of spreading LIGHT OF TRUTH and helping many to see and appreciate its marvels. A fortunate degree, promising much.
"A radiant Rainbow, in the center of which is the SUN in its brightness" : A symbol of ARISING.

14 Gemini MidHeaven: denotes one who will be called upon to SUFFER ROM THE ACTS OF OTHERS WITH WHOM HE IS OR HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED. (read Judas Iscariot?!?) Throughh taking big risks he may succeed in gaining wealth, but he will be the VICTIM OF HIS OWN THOUGHTS AND THE ACTS OF HIS ASSOCIATES.
"A man in a forest handing to another an open box full of jewels, which he has juststolen from an adjacent castle." A symbol of Entanglement.

IC in 14 Sagittarius: denotes one of penetrative power and clairvoyant gifts, who will be well regarded by his associates and selected for positions of influence. Naturally attracted to OCCULT philosophy, uncommon learning, and that knowledge which concerns the COMING INTO AND GOING OUT OF Earth conditions. Peculiar magnetic and intensely active forces are associated with this degree.
"A human eye surrounded by a circle of flames." A symbol of Knowledge.

Very interesting. I didn't make this up, just consulted my trust copy of Zodiacal Symbology by Isidore Kozminsky.

Blessings...

A

posted December 07, 2002 01:19 PM              

Linda believed Jesus to be a Leo. She read a book called The Light Of Nations by Charles Deems published in 1884 which sheds some light on it. She said the mystery was hiding in the word NOEL.

I have a book called Astrology's Pew in Church by Don Jacobs, known as Moby Dick. He did several years of research and of course, he believed Jesus to be a Pisces. He was an astrologer/minister who did much research on planetary positions in 7 CE.

The horoscope of Jesus that interests me the most.
http://sos.netonecom.net/webpub/Jayj/jesus.htm http://users.netonecom.net/~sos/jayj.htm

Another intesting link or two.
http://www.shaka.com/~johnboy/pi.htg/pi.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/context.htg/context.htm

posted December 07, 2002 03:00 PM              

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Star Notes Feb 15, 1989

"Maybe it's because I'm an Aries Ram, but I resent being told when to feel and what to feel by others, which is why I began, many years ago, to celebrate Christmas in August.

My Higher S-elf was strangely (or perhaps not so strangely, after all----that's a riddle)---tuned in to profound truth, because I could have chosen to celebrate the still unguessed glory of his birth in May or September, but I instinctively chose August, then many years later discovered that the true date of the miracle in the Bethlehem stable was August 7th or 8th! I mentioned in Star Signs that Jesus was a Leo, remember?

The mystery was hiding there all the time, in the word NOEL, waiting to be discovered, for NOEL lexigrams into LEO---and if you want to use your Third Eye to change the 'e' to 'i', it lexigrams into LION! I also mentioned that I had learned the true date of Christmas from a book owned by my good friend, Cleve Backster, but that recently the book had been misplaced.

Then, a couple of months ago, one of you, bless your heart, having read that portion of Star Signs , sent me a copy of the chapter in the lost book, concerning the true date of the babe's birth. It's an out of print book called The Light of Nations , by Charles Deems, DD,LLD, published in 1884 by Gay Brothers & Company, New York. (No longer in business) The author delves carefully and with great detail into the Roman holy days and many other known historical facts of the period to verify his final conclusion that Jesus was born during the first week of August, probably the 7th or 8th, in the year B.C. 6.

The research in the book is meticulous and fascinating, impossible for the rational scholar to dismiss or refute. I'm so very grateful to the woman who located and sent it to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I feel fairly certain that many of you will want a copy of this particular chapter regarding the true birth of the Nazarene, and so, since the book itself is out of print and therefore falls into public domain, I am planning to repint the Jesus chapter and make it available to you. I'll let you know in a later Star Note when I've arranged this, as well as the cost of printing and mailing.

Jesus having been (and being) a Leo substantiates a certain mystical truth about Osiris, but the entire awesome revelation related to the deep mystery of Christmas (to all religions, including the Hebrew) and its true meaning is far too complex to go into here. It will constitute a major portion to the sequel to Gooberz which has the current working title of Twelfth Night Secrets . Meanwhile, meditate upon these several mysteries of Christmas, as she did, two thousand years ago."

And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

And all that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shephards.

But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart.
Luke 2: 17, 18, 19

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posted December 09, 2002 11:20 AM              

But why Leo??? Pisces sounds logical, maybe a Leo rising, but not Leo Sun.

By the way, I think buddhists believe that Jesus was just one of the incarnations of their Buddha, that's why they're are sympathetic towards christian faith.

posted December 09, 2002 01:46 PM            

I think the Pisces thing is a blind! Jesus was the AVATAR of the PISCEAN Age... that doesn't necessarily mean he was a Pisces. All the fish symbolism in Christianity is again a reference to the AGE of Pisces, not to the sign of the actual man.

As people have said, the actual date will always be speculative, but I do feel it is a good exercise in critical thinking and astrological reasoning.

Blessings..

A

posted December 09, 2002 05:03 PM              

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Correspondences between events in Jesus' and Krishna's life:

Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared Yeshua's and Krishna's life. He found 346 elements in common within Christiana and Hindu writings.

Some selected events are:

: Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.
: Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.
: Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity.
: Their mothers were holy virgins, who had similar names: Miriam (Mary) and Maia. His adoptive human father was a carpenter.
: A spirit or ghost was their actual father.
: Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.
: Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.
: An angel issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.
: Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.
: Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."
: Jesus was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."
: Both claimed: "I am the Resurrection."
: Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.
: Both were "without sin."
: Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine.
: They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
: Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."
: Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.
: Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.
: Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
: Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.
: Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.
: Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people witnessed their ascensions into heaven.

Graves stated that both Krishna and Yeshua were born on December 25. He was in error on this: Krishna is traditionally believed to have been born during August. The festival Janmashtami is held in honor of this birth. The birth day of Jesus is unknown, but is believed by many to have also been about August.

December 25th was chosen for Christmas because of a pre-existent Pagan Roman holiday, Saturnalia. December 25th was also recognized in ancient times as the birth day of various other god-men such as Attis and Mithra.

In addition, there are other points of similarity between Krishna and Yeshua:

"The object of Krishna's birth was to bring about a victory of good over evil."

Krishna "came onto earth to cleanse the sins of the human beings."

"Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king." 3 Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph, was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world could be taxed."

Jesus is recorded as saying: "if you had faith as a mustard seed you would say to the mountain uproot yourself and be cast into the ocean" Krishna is reported as having uprooted a small mountain.

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posted December 09, 2002 05:06 PM              

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The Urantia Book -- Part IV. The Life And Teachings Of Jesus PAPER 122: Section 8.
The Birth Of Jesus

P1351:5, 122:8.1 All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.

P1351:6, 122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).

P1351:7, 122:8.3 The next day after the birth of Jesus, Joseph made his enrollment. Meeting a man they had talked with two nights previously at Jericho, Joseph was taken by him to a well-to-do friend who had a room at the inn, and who said he would gladly exchange quarters with the Nazareth couple. That afternoon they moved up to the inn, where they lived for almost three weeks until they found lodgings in the home of a distant relative of Joseph.

P1351:8, 122:8.4 The second day after the birth of Jesus, Mary sent word to Elizabeth that her child had come and received word in return inviting Joseph up to Jerusalem to talk over all their affairs with Zacharias. The following week Joseph went to Jerusalem to confer with Zacharias. Both Zacharias and Elizabeth had become possessed with the sincere conviction that Jesus was indeed to become the Jewish deliverer, the Messiah, and that their son John was to be his chief of aides, his right-hand man of destiny. And since Mary held these same ideas, it was not difficult to prevail upon Joseph to remain in Bethlehem, the City of David, so that Jesus might grow up to become the successor of David on the throne of all Israel. Accordingly, they remained in Bethlehem more than a year, Joseph meantime working some at his carpenter's trade.

P1352:1, 122:8.5 At the noontide birth of Jesus the seraphim of Urantia, assembled under their directors, did sing anthems of glory over the Bethlehem manger, but these utterances of praise were not heard by human ears. No shepherds nor any other mortal creatures came to pay homage to the babe of Bethlehem until the day of the arrival of certain priests from Ur, who were sent down from Jerusalem by Zacharias.

P1352:2, 122:8.6 These priests from Mesopotamia had been told sometime before by a strange religious teacher of their country that he had had a dream in which he was informed that "the light of life" was about to appear on earth as a babe and among the Jews. And thither went these three teachers looking for this "light of life." After many weeks of futile search in Jerusalem, they were about to return to Ur when Zacharias met them and disclosed his belief that Jesus was the object of their quest and sent them on to Bethlehem, where they found the babe and left their gifts with Mary, his earth mother. The babe was almost three weeks old at the time of their visit.

P1352:3, 122:8.7 These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year. Upon the basis of these extraordinary but wholly natural events the well-meaning zealots of the succeeding generation constructed the appealing legend of the star of Bethlehem and the adoring Magi led thereby to the manger, where they beheld and worshiped the newborn babe.

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