posted November 20, 2004 01:20 AM              

Okay, I did think of the phrase "salt of the earth"....BUT! I know now that is not it, it is not Earth/Venus. What my mind was shouting to me was "Neptune! It's Neptune!!" But I also have another answer and I'm having a hard time deciding.

First off, I believe it's Neptune because, we know that salt is actually in crystal form. And when I think of a crystal, I think of Neptune. Like glass, it is something you can see through but not always clearly (Neptune/illusion). BUT! You can also see some very different kinds of things if you look into a crystal ball, for instance. Crystal Balls have to do with all things Neptune - clairvoyance, psychic abilities, telepathy. Crystals are living, vibrating - and can connect us to higher awareness. A Piscean/Neptunian theme. Okay you get the point.

But then I start to think salt could be ruled by Saturn. (I first thought about how salt forms by evaporation, and thought - "AIR!", it's an Air sign's planet! But that doesnt seem right. I dont think salt is ruled by Mercury.)

Anyway, I think Saturn because when you said that you think SAND and SALT are both ruled by the same sign.......it just got me thinking about SAND and to me it correlates with Saturn. Dry, barren, heavy (salt sinks as the water evaporates, sand always sinks to the bottom of the ocean) limits (salt, sand and sea have no limits they are part of each other, yet the sand shore puts limits on the sea), (Father) time (the sand in the hourglass) structure and form (sand gives structure and form for the sea) and finally Saturn has to do with crystalization. Usually crystallization of fears and inhibitions if one choses to stay stuck. It brings energy into matter........*rambling*

I'm not quite sure why but the word "minerals" keeps popping into my head while thinking about Saturn, which makes me think of the ocean an sea salt.....Have you heard anything about Saturn and minerals?

But now I'm back to SAND and SALT, which go together with OCEAN and SEA, which go with together with NEPTUNE. Hmmmmm......? And "TIME" and the sand in the hourglass correlation could go with Neptune as well......time being an "illusion" and all.

But isnt GLASS made out of SAND? ....That's totally Pluto - TRANSFORMATION.

Which makes me think of SEA GLASS.....back to Neptune..........*trails off*

NEPTUNE!! FINAL ANSWER!!!

posted November 20, 2004 01:42 AM              

i immediately thought neptune for glass as well. the whole you can look through it but it can distort philosophy you talked about. that's exactly what i was thinking.

as for salt - i thought about it again and i say saturn too. i don't know why. it just seems heavy. like in magick, it is powerful and used to cleanse and get rid of negative energy. i don't know. i just think of cappy when i see it. like mining it from the earth in a way? that's cappy! i would have never thought about it crystalizing 26t! such cool thoughts!

i don't know if i can see sand being saturn though. i can in a way, but i also see the air thing. like i would pick mercury. but if they are both ruled by the same planet, i'm going with saturn. just a gut feeling.

as for sand and glass, yeah, i thought about that too! did you know that a mirror is only a piece of glass painted on one side with silver? you scratch that off and you can see straight through! that may be where the moon comes into play with glass. silver is ruled by the moon. and glass and mirrors remind us of water. and the moon is connected with water.

posted November 20, 2004 01:53 AM              

I just saw your post. Great thoughts - hey, great minds think alike right?!! I'm going to wait up all night for the answer! LOL! That is a fabulous idea for a thread!! I think you should start one! Yep, I do believe apple pie would be ruled by Cancer.

posted November 20, 2004 04:48 PM            

Very nice... Thinking like Astrologers I see! Congratulations, you would be surprised how many that practice the art simply parrot what they have been taught without pondering on it.. meditating upon it or even as Linda would say, spiraling on it!

Salt = Saturn Quite! (I heard Nahtan chime in there)

Glass... well now, I see we have an overwhelming amount of information to filter through.

I will stand with what I have stated already.. but I also see the Plutonian transformation or Alchemy that occurs when Sand is transformed into Glass.

I agree with whomever pointed out that a mirror is simply silvered glass, and as such Mirrors would come under the Moon... Moon = Silver, REFLECTING back...

I will also state that in no way do I consider myself the last word on the subject... merely a student of the Art who would love to see more THINKING Astrologers in the world.

Blessed Be...
A

P.S. 26Taurus... I would hazard to say that equating all crystals with Neptune would be in error. SATURN rules CRYSTALIZATION, and therefore in my way of thinking all crystalline structures. However, I would also hazard to say that the intended use of a PARTICULAR crystal might shift or add to its rulership.

Make any sense?

Blessings...
A

P.P.S. Might I again suggest that we limit THINGS to PLANETS as significators. Signs are more like adjectives.. they DESCRIBE things, but are not necessarily the thing themselves.

We can think of it in this fashion: The PLANET is the WHO, the Actor. The SIGN is the Costume or the CHARACTER that is to be played BY the Actor. The HOUSES are the different settings or locations in which the play or action occurs. They tell us WHERE. The ASPECT shows us HOW the Actors will get along. Will they HELP (trine) each other, HINDER (Square) each other, OPPOSE each other or will they GET TOGETHER (conjunction)? Will there be an EASE of communication (sextile) or will they IRRITATE the crap out of each other (inconjunct)?

Just some thoughts for what they's worth!

BB...
A

Addendum: Apple Pie is sweet, sugary, buttery goodness... Venus perhaps?

posted November 21, 2004 01:59 AM              

Hello Aselzion!

Indeed! Think outside the box. Dont go on everything you've been taught. Connect your own dots.

So Saturn eh? I knew I shouldve gone with my gut. My spiraling brain got me thinking and took me on a little ride. I will agree with you - I think Saturn makes the most sense.

Thinking on it more today, I thought about how salt is a drying agent (I believe). And a keyword I would use for Saturn would be DRY. When water evaporates in the salt mines, what's left is the salt. The salt is PRESERVED (Saturn). As the water CONTRACTS the salt SUSTAINS -- and the salt, while in the water is floating and in a more expanded area, as the water evaporates, it CONTRACTS and STABILIZES. It has has more STRUCTURE as the water disappears. SELF SUSTAINED, SELF PRESERVED. All Saturn stuff.

I think the alchemy aspect of the Plutonian transformation of sand into glass is something worth alot of consideration as well. And when I think of glass, right away I think of glass blowing. That is also a major transformation - and an art.

Something else just popped into my head - glass shattering. Try to piece shards of glass back together when it's been broken. You can't. COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION - never to be the same again! It is DEMOLISHED and must be BUILT ANEW. There's Pluto again! BIRTH DEATH REBIRTH.....& glass can be recycled over and over again.....Pluto causes pressures to build up to the exploding point and eventually breaks down to be built anew.

Hmmmmm.....food for thought huh?

I, like you, am a student of the Art of Astrology. I will never learn it all, and nothing is ever set in stone in my mind. And I would love to see more thinking astrologers out there as well. We all can read and memorize the things that the books tell us, but that is not what it's all about. It's an Art. It's alive!! But we deaden it when we robotically repeat what we have learned.

posted November 21, 2004 02:01 AM              

Also, I didnt mean to sound as if I was equating all crystals with Neptune. I know that certain crystal's energies resonate to different planetary energies. I was generalizing about the powers of crystals and their association with all things Neptune. But I do know what you mean. Hopefully I am making sense to you. "The intended use of a particular crystal might shift or add to it's rulership." Yes!

I like the anaolgy you used to describe things with planets as their significators and actors on a stage. Very cool. It reminds me of a great used book I found and got for 1$, called AstroAlchemy by Joan Negus. She explained Solar and Lunar returns in a similar fashion. I believe it's out of print now, which is too bad because it's a fabulous book. I'm sure it can be found online though. Anyway......

Thank you for provoking my thoughts. I've enjoyed this. I'll have to take a step into The Looking Glass more often. I do have a deck of Tarot cards that I should use more often. I got the deck at 13 years old and it's the only deck I've ever had. Somehow, 13 years later, I have managed to still have the complete deck. That's a miracle, with all of the moving I've done.

Blessings to you too.

PEACE
&
LOVE,
26

posted November 21, 2004 01:24 PM            

26... Nahtan was one of Linda's Teachers, and she mentions him fairly frequently throughout Star Signs.

I think it is very easy for students of Astrology to want to memorize and parrot back the words and thoughts of their teachers... unfortunately, not alot of the Teachers have actually thought or questioned what was taught to them by their teachers, and so on and so on...

I would be more happy to read something that told me that Mercury was exalted in Scorpio, and then went on to tell me WHY that person felt that way, than I ever am to keep reading that Mercury is exalted in Virgo or Aquarius just because that is what the books tell us.

My belief is that "if it works for you, use it!". But that is the acid test... does it work consistently? If it does NOT, then we have a problem, and we should be thinking abouy WHY it does not work consistently... make sense?

Ok, I'll hop off the soap box for now!

Keep on thinking and asking those questions and worlds of information will be added unto you!

In the Light...
A

posted November 21, 2004 02:17 PM              

And oh yes!!! I remember Nahtan now. I read Star Signs all the way through but it was years ago, looks like I need to read it again. I flip through it alot mostly to the Numerology chapter. Thanks for re-MINDing me.

Take care.

posted April 20, 2005 10:23 PM              

Luke 1:26-31

posted April 21, 2005 01:25 AM              

I have it at home, but haven't read it.
I might just go see what it says.

posted December 29, 2006 06:11 AM              

Silverstone...

P.S. Aselzion , your commentary has been phenomenal

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted December 29, 2006 07:03 AM              

Yes I am thinking he could have been a Virgo

With Pisces rising

posted December 29, 2006 07:04 AM              

nobody knows of course.....

maybe one day we will....

Anyway he must have been cool whatever his sign, he had long hair and was a healer.....

posted February 05, 2009 07:52 PM            

In the Book of Luke when Jesus is asked "where wilt thou that we prepare?" concerning the Kingdom of the New Age of Jesus's return, Jesus says to follow a man "bearing a pitcher of water" into the house he enters. In Astrology, a man bearing a pitcher of water symbolizes the coming of the Age of Aquarius and is known as "the water bearer". In Astrology, the Age of Aquarius comes directly after the Age of Pisces.

Ages are believed by some to affect mankind. For Aquarius (also called "the Water bearer"), it is reported we have already been feeling influences - titled Orb of influence (the last ten degrees backwards of the Age of Pisces) - in the accelerated individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development and globalization through the 20th century. This view is consistent with the popular notion of the New Age movement that regards current times as the "dawning of the Aquarian Age".

On the other hand, the Aquarian Age is thought to bring with it an era of universal brotherhood rooted in reason where it will be possible to solve social problems in a manner equitable to all and with greater opportunity for intellectual and spiritual improvement, since Aquarius is an airy, scientific, and intellectual sign and its ruler planet, Uranus, is associated with intuition (knowledge above reason) and direct perceptions of the heart; and on the mundane level it rules electricity and technology. It is generally described by astrologers that in the Age of Aquarius there will be a blending of religion and science to such a degree that a religious science and a scientific religion will be formed.

Eastern astrology associates the Age of Pisces with the yin; i.e., spirituality and intuition. Aquarius, on the other hand represents the yang, with its emphasis on rationality and high technology.

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posted May 24, 2013 12:55 PM            

VIRGO IS THE VIRGIN MOTHER (ENGLISH ITS MARY) BUT THATS NOT THE TRUEST NAME FOR HERE. ONE THING TO ADD TO THIS PART IS THE SPICA.

SPICA, WHICH IS THE HOLY GRAIL AND MAN WILL NEVER FIND IT HERE ON EARTH, SAME WITH OTHER SPOKEN ARTIFACTS(PUT INTO METAPHORS SO GOYIM UNDERSTAND IT, BUT DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.IF THIS MAKES SENSE? ITS HALF TRUTH IN OTHER WORDS.

HALF TRUTHS IS LIKE TELLING THE TRUTH WITHOUT GIVING YOU THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF SUCH. ITS A SLIDE OF HAND TECHNIQUE. IN ORDER TO SOUND LEGIT YOU HAVE TO INVOLVE TRUTH AND FALSE TRUTH.

NOW BACK TO SPICA. SPICA IS BASICALLY THE SEA OF LIFE IN THE HIP OF VIRGO AND AT CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME LINES UP WITH THE BELLY. AND ON THOSE CERTAIN DATES MEANS SHE WILL GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD.

THE CHILD WILL BE THE SON ((SUN)) OTHERWISE KNOWN UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES SUCH AS JESUS,JESSIAH,JMMAMUEL, RA ETC.

ALL GODS ETC DERIVES FROM ASTROLOGY AS YOU MAY VERY WELL MAY ALL KNOW. BUT IN ORDER TO FORMULATE AND BREAK DOWN TRUE IDEOLOGIES OF SAID GODS YOU MUST HAVE THE PROPER TOOLS TO DO SO.

ENTER DANIELS TIMELINE AND THE SHABUWA. THE WEEK AS ITS OBSERVED NOW HAS BEEN ALTERED SO THAT TRUE TIME AND EVENTS CANT NOT BE KNOWN BY GOYIM. (REAL ACTUAL EVENTS AND DATES OF SAID EVENTS CAN BE DECODED BY THIS)

QUICKLY IT IS LIKE THIS AT NOON THE DAY SWITCHES NOT LIKE IT IS NOW WHICH IS MIDNIGHT. WHEN ITS MONDAY AND IT HITS NOON IT SWITCHES TO TUESDAY ETC.

WITH IT BEING CHANGED AND ASTROLOGY BEING STRICKEN OUT OF BIBLICAL TEXT NOTHING CAN BE TRULY KNOWN AND MAY BE MANIPULATED.

NOSTRADAMUS USED THE SHABUWA AND STARS TO PREDICT AND ITS TRUTH. HE AMONG OTHERS WAS A MASTER AT IT...

WELL WITH ALL THIS SAID I WENT OFF IN THAT.

NOW YOU MAY WONDER WHOM I AM. MY NAME IS JIMMY LOUIS PATE. MY NAME MEANS THE SUPPLANTER, THE LIGHT BRINGER AND CROWN OF THY HEAD. I AM A VIRGO BORN IN SEPTEMBER AND I AM ONE EYED. I WAS BORN WITH A VAIL UPON MY HEAD AND YES I DO HAVE A LOT OF ABILITIES, VERY GOOD ONES.

YES MY MIDDLE NAME IS LUCIFER. DOES THIS MEAN I AM EVIL? NO...MANIPULATION AND CHANGING OF THINGS IN THE BIBLE TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY IS THEIR GOAL. I AM A GOOD PERSON AND I AM NOT FOR THEIR CRAP...