posted July 01, 2003 10:34 AM              

I only mention, because my friend went into a pensive pause when I said to her:

"I just say things, just to say them. To let things out, and let them be. I wasn't asking for an analysis, your judgement, or what I should do."

posted July 01, 2003 03:51 PM              

We're back to the Chicken-Egg question here... as in what came first, getting together/married with somebody, or being an astrologer and calculating the best time to get together/married to someone?

As somebody who used to have their eyeballs glued to paper charts, many of which ended up in the wastepaper basket after my life went on, I gotta speak up for going with the flow and a strong belief in Free Will instead of living life on paper! (or onscreen, nowadays)

Now if you're single, then yep, do calculate best times, so that you'll be aware when The Right Person (or "a" Right Person) shows up. If you're hooked up, then sure, calculate your probabilities, or the best day to get married, if that's your thing. But knowledge confers choices, and your own responsibility for action, rather than expecting events to happen... meaning, if your chart says: "Meet Love of Life This Week!" then you can't stay home and expect FedEx to ring your doorbell!

Free Will, people -- plus a little astrological foreknowledge -- and the power to propose marriage if that's what we want, paid or unpaid!

posted July 01, 2003 05:27 PM              

i will never understand why i *feel* like most people think that libras are a joke.

for the record- i wasnt telling ANYONE what to do, i was saying that you have to be VERY careful with predictive astrology! also, that sometimes people say they might know some aspect or another that will determine marriage, but know what you are doing before you put all your energy into it! people are often wrong! and yea, no one asked for my advice in this thread, well guess what? its a thread! arent we supposed to post our opinions??? i just really cant help but think that was a dig at me. if not, no harm no foul, but i 'feel' the way i do, and i feel like im being made a fool of, quite frankly.

argh sometimes i think i should tape my bloody mouth shut (glue my fingers together rather) and just not even bother speaking, unless it goes with popular opinion.

and fyi... i dont run about forcing my opinion to everyone around me irl or on the net (i thought discussion forums were exactly that- discussion sharing ones thoughts and opinions). however, when i see something that could lead someone astray, i *do* have to say something. theres great knowledge in astrology but it has used with responsibility. someone whose been looking at charts for a week cannot sit there and determine who they are going to marry at a glance from a chart. and, as lunar said, sometimes its best to just let things like that flow.

im a realist. i wont apologise for that. knowing that misinformation can create much damage impels me to contribute for a *choke* balanced outlook.

ps i choked saying balanced because i didnt want to have that quoted with a poke at the silly libra who just is so typical running around 'balancing' all over the place... great now im afraid to exhibit any of the qualities of my own sign in fear they will be poked at. *sigh*

posted July 01, 2003 05:42 PM              

I was only commenting on Libras in general, you included. Nothing wrong or right, only an observation.

Your perspectives are welcome.

If you read carefully, I never said to my friend to stop being herself and doing what she does. I only said I wasn't asking for it.

posted July 01, 2003 05:54 PM              

'almost every Libra I've encountered will give advice and tell one what they should do---even when one didn't even ask for it!'

i dont give advice when not asked for it, however as i said up there, this is a discussion thread where people share opinions. i thought it was my right to be included.

'I have seen them analyze'

yes that is true

'draw conclusions'

i do not, i look at *all* information and test it fully to be sure that i am looking at things truthfully. drawing conclusions seems to be something that scorpios do, along with some other signs. you may *think* libras draw conclusions, but you dont know what goes on inside our heads, there is MUCH weighing of information before we decide whats right.

'and pick apart what people say'

thats actually a virgo trait. im drawing on that now in my own defense, however in my original post that seemed to provoke you to comment these things, i didnt pick apart what anyone said. i merely stated a caveat.

'Not that it's a good or bad thing'

it sounds to me like those things are very much criticisms, can anyone honestly say that those are GOOD qualities for a person to have? 'oh yes, i love it when my friend picks apart everything i say'. of course you put that nice little disclaimer so that you appeared to NOT be insulting all the libras on the board. thats fine though, and at the risk of being accused of 'taking it personally' (how could i NOT?) i have to say, it sounds very much like a dig.

'Then some get mad when one does not follow it!'

posted July 01, 2003 06:03 PM              

well to be honest, i wasnt asking in a thread about marriage to have some negative observations about my inner nature pointed out in a manner that is on the borderline of insult. yet thats what you did..?

'"I just say things, just to say them. To let things out, and let them be. I wasn't asking for an analysis, your judgement, or what I should do."'

that was pretty much what *i* was doing in my original entry into this thread. i really didnt expect what followed. at most i expected someone to ask for clarification of what i meant by my comments, which i would have gladly given concrete examples. like i said, if i have an alternate viewpoint, right or wrong, perhaps id be better served keeping my mouth shut.

thank you for your compliment, after all, i am very faery, i might as well look like one... however, i have a mind like a steel trap, at times. try living your life with *that* going on... its no walk through the rose garden.

posted July 02, 2003 10:04 AM              

I'll always accept peace

posted July 02, 2003 10:16 AM              

Hey, I like ya, if that's any help?

posted July 02, 2003 08:21 PM              

*gives her the biggest, most fragrant, most colourful bouquet of flowers shes ever seen! its so beautiful that theres butterflies dancing around it!*

we all need flowers sometimes. and we all need someone to care, and i do care, about you, and everyone in the world. i care too much sometimes.

i never used to understand it, here i am with a chart chock full of air and fire, so why am i so emotional? i have very little pisces or cancer etc... i do understand it now, because i understand my whole chart. granted i *am* fiery/airy, theres no doubt about that, and its something that people have probably seen in a few of my posts here (just ask me about carolyn reynolds, you will see that fire burn! lol!). the core motivation with me though, has always been... 'because i care'. i feel things deeply. i got really upset with you but lemme just tell you... it was nothing personal. it wasnt you i took issue with, but the context of your words.

when i am upset and i feel there is an injustice going on, i just have to speak. its the same impetus that drove me to protest for the rights of animals, and to speak out against racism all the time in my everyday life. im just that kind of a person. at least i am open and honest about it... gotta give me credit for that. if i have a problem with someone, i will say so. but i am fair... i am not closed to compromise and acceptance once the air is cleared. even friendship.

i think libras are really not well understood. perhaps soon i will make a thread about what its like being a libra. i think being ruled by venus, people might not realize what inner struggles we go through. i dont know if theres been any discussion about libra, i know that there has been much with scorpio, lol! everyone wants to delve into that mystery, lol! perhaps thats something i could do, to contribute here...

1scorp, you like me cause you just rock seriously though, you are such a joy to see in these forums, you are so funny and vibrant, i just love reading your posts. i cant wait to get to know you better!

anyway i hope you guys have a really great day!

posted July 03, 2003 12:31 PM              

I think it appropriate for an astrology forum that we mention others' astrological tendencies, although I strongly resist pigeonholing or diminishing tactics used to silence or mock a person (which is why on other boards over the years I refused to admit my gender -- once certain males found out I was female, there was a corresponding huge drop in respect and decency). But Knowflakes are a fun, kind and cool bunch -- once you spend more time with us, you'll understand everyone's style and humour.

Glad to see everyone's made up here.

In general, to All, I have Libra on my 7th House cusp, by the way, and the house contains some Scorp too.

posted July 03, 2003 08:36 PM              

i have enjoyed your posts here a lot! you were the only member (not a mod) who helped me in my first thread (can anyone help a noob). that meant a lot to me, that you would reach out to help make me more comfortable.

i just took some of aphrodites comments hard. i have been noticing lately on a *few* forums (and not necessarily this one) that libras really have a bad rep out there! i was shocked, i grew up with linda telling me how lovely libras were, so i was happy and proud of being one, being me. imagine my shock when i went to these forums (most of which i dont go to anymore) to find that people really didnt like libras! so im a little bit on the defensive, which isnt necessarily a bad thing. i have to defend my honour, who else is going to do it?

i do think though that libras are the joke of the zodiac. i feel we are VERY misunderstood, and i plan on writing a decent post when i have a moment (getting ready right this second to go to my fathers) about what its really like to be a libra. i feel many people dont know. scorpio has been done to death, because everyone wants to know whats going on behind those mysterious piercing eyes... and im sure there are other signs that arent really understood.

libra though, that air thing really gets in the way. we are airy, so thats usually what people see. and the indecision thing. ill write a nice sensitive post in a couple days once i get settled (housesitting for my dad for a week).

posted July 03, 2003 09:56 PM              

Sun in IX
Moon in IV
Mercury in IX
Venus in IX
Mars in XII
Jupiter in II
Saturn in Midheaven
Uranus in IX
Neptune in XII
Pluto in Midheaven
Lilith in IV
Asc node in VII

posted July 04, 2003 12:16 AM              

i am comfortable making a thread about what life is like for libras, because i am one. obviously i can only share my own experiences but i still feel it would be enlightening and be something that would help others to understand. i would have all the proper disclaimers in place, dont worry. i make no assertion that i speak for every libra. i just wanted to provoke some discussion into what i feel is a very misunderstood sign. what can that hurt? i think it is a responsibility to share with others so that they might have a greater understanding. i am usually motivated in my actions by a higher purpose. i have a lot of 9th house planets and am also sag rising. it seems a part of my makeup, learning and also teaching.

posted July 04, 2003 12:24 AM              

the sign that rules the house is the sign which appears on the beginning cusp of that house. therefore if cancer is the sign which is on the line where your 6th house turns into your 7th, then cancer rules the 7th house and much can be learned about you and your life, by looking at how cancer applies to the things that the house stands for, and what planets are in it and their relationships with the rest of the chart, as well as the rulers of that house (which would be the moon if it is cancer). you can see additional things by looking at that houses signs traditional ruler, and *its* placing and relationships with other planets in the chart. there is also something called an interception, where a sign is not on any cusp at all but is completely within two consecutive cusps. such as if aries was on the 2nd house cusp, then all of taurus was within the 2nd house, and gemini was on the cusp of the third, therefore ruling the third. taurus would be intercepting the 2nd house.

i tried to explain that as uncomplicated as i could, but i am in a rush (see last post) so im sorry if i was very confusing. i will help you later if no one else does. ill probably be on later tonight around 11 pst... no one would be phoning at that time so i could go online without feeling this pressure to get off.

i hope i helped at least a bit! take care

posted July 04, 2003 04:41 AM              

now, if you *do* have your exact time and location of birth, it works like this.

the sign that is on the horizon at the precise moment and location at your birth is your rising sign, or ascendant. what that means is that it is the sign of the zodiac that is rising in the east. in interpretation, it means your face you show to the world. its how others see you. now, i have guessed at many a sign and been wrong. i have later found out that i had guessed their rising sign. you probably know all this. you probably also know what the sun sign is too so i wont bother to explain it.

anyway the rising sign in a few of house systems signifies the cusp of the 1st house. all the rest of the houses follow after, and so that is where we get the variety. placidus is the one most commonly used, and i dont know how they actually devised that system, but it places the ascendant as the cusp of the first house. there are quite a few house systems, but i feel its best to use one (normally placidus, the default at astro.com and the most popular) for awhile until you have a confidence with it, and then once you have a good understanding of that, try others. thats what ive done. most of the time i use meridian, it is a system that 'uranian' astrologers use. i am not one, but i find that that system goes deeper into a chart.

the unique thing about meridian is that it gives two ascendants. one shows up as the cusp of the 1st house, the other is the regular everyday ascendant which is in another house, in my case i have sag rising in the 12th house, and my 1st house cusp is capricorn. the way that those are interpreted is that the house on the 1st house cusp, or equatorial ascendant, is how other people see you. the other ascendant (i cant remember its official term right now, i am fried and had a very bad day but i wanted to have this for you when you came next) is how you tend to see yourself. i have found this to be very true in my chart and my husbands. in any event i would suggest you stick with placidus or perhaps equal house, and then one day if you are interested in learning more, do your chart at astro.com using the different systems to see what you think.

i hope that was helpful... and must go to bed and hopefully sleep away the horribleness that this day has been.

take care

posted July 06, 2003 01:02 AM              

silverbells: the Astro.com default system for charts is indeed Placidus, and unlike the Equal House system, where you see one sign per house, Placidus permits the phenomenon of more than one sign per house. There's even such a thing as an "intercepted sign", which means that you can have as many as three signs straddling a house, with one sandwiched between two others across the cusps (I've never seen more than three signs in a house). That's how you could get a sign that's ten away from your Ascendant, on the cusp of your 7th House. Check it out and let us know.

RosePark: welcome!
I can see at a glance that your friend has almost no Earth at all in her chart! Just her Ascendant, if I read your data right. Her emotions and drives are mostly Air, too -- Moon, Venus, and Mars. Tell me, is she a very cerebral, out there person? Actually, try clicking the thread st. henri posted above-- the discussion leads into what happens when a person has a missing element, esp. regarding the 7th House.