posted May 23, 2003 08:53 AM              

I don't think a man has any right hitting a woman. Nor does a woman have a right to hit a man.

I read that Scorpio men are noted for hitting on women?? Seriously, I know of 2 libra guys that did that. It's sad regardless of who does it. Bad insecurities is all I can think of that would cause that. SICK!

posted May 23, 2003 10:29 AM              

I recall one with a Capricorn guy. We'd met, talked, and had a few nice phone conversations so when he asked me out I accepted, expecting to have an equally nice time...I was wrong. All we did was go to several bars where he kept the drinks coming, having at least 2 to my every 1. After that we went to his place and he drank some more. Frankly, I was bored by now and it didn't matter because he got so wasted he had to send me home in a cab. He called me several times after that night and couldn't understand why I didn't want to see him again, lol.

I had a similar "date" with a Libra guy. Interesting phone conversations...so I accepted when he asked me out. We went to a club where he table-hopped all over the place, bragging and name-dropping. I guess he was trying to impress me, but I just thought he was rude, lol. When we finally left the club we went parking, him saying he wanted to go someplace quiet where we could talk. Yeah, right! It wasn't long before he tried getting physical, but by then I was so disgusted with him I begged off the date saying I had a migraine (HE was the headache!). He brought me home and again when he called later wanting to go out couldn't understand why I wasn't interested. Go figure.

posted May 23, 2003 11:06 AM              

To be fair I have a few bad dates with women involved where I rode shotgun. I met a girlfriend of mine from my childhood, who is a Cancer/Leo with an Aquarius rising, Venus in 8th house in Virgo, Moon in Pisces in 2nd house. She used to go through a man a week, and was obsessed that each and every one was her future husband, sort of like myself. At least we put our heart into it. I met her when she came up to me in the first grade and said, Will you be my Valentine? I don't have enough.

She and I were shopping and I asked her why? and we bought the makings for a coconut flake pink cake for an Aqua man's birthday who she was dating. Now she was already living with a Taurus and knowing him, and being one, I couldn't believe this. So I went to her house talking all the way and we made the cake. Then we drove the hospital where the epileptic Aqua was staying, another Pisces with Cancer moon stops by and says that's guys trash etc...(which one?) but we ignore her of course. She gives us the story about the carrot and the stick and we start drinking remy martin.

Now we are in the car with the cake driving around and around, she sees the Taurus and he is not where he said he would be. Jealousy kicks in. I think she drove "there" automatically. We have very little gas so I get concerned. Finally we argue and she starts to run over the Taurus but I jam on the brake to save his life. I save the cake. We follow him to his apartment and let ourselves in while he is in the shower. He comes out to find two women in his kitchen eating and and one is very ****** off. He is in a towel and he and I are very embarassed but I explain the situation, then I leave but they stay to fight with her throwing everything in the room at him. She threw everything of value out the window and at this Poor Slob. She complained to me later about how "violent" this guy was. This man never knew I saved his life, and I am feeling unrewarded and I have no cake.

My thoughts were, let's go see the Aqua (to myself because Miss Jealous wouldn't appreciate it and because I very private and I figure what could happen in the hospital, no one will see me, I will just sneak in and out). So Me, Myself and I go to the hospital only there are a lot of other girls there waiting including his mother. I get fed up waiting, because I am very impatient and I leave without getting to see the Aqua. I am very unhappy and make a new cake and gave it to an already involved but alone Libra. Well this Libra was mad because the cake wasn't about him and got very jealous. He kept it to himself. He left me for an Aqua girl and later had a nervous breakdown.

Now I tell my husband that in each one of these stories is a lesson. I could have met him long ago or in a past life and everything in my life relates back to him and our relationship. Also don't drink.

Yes Libras are very insecure, if you have a cat name it after him. If you are an artist like me build a sculpture of him. He edits film and he recently made a little video for me which incorporated parts of my life with him in it. Libras and Scorpios have to meditate on the words, I give and I receive in a positive, loving way.

I mean you can't find a more devoted lover than a Libra or Scorp but he has to be part of your life forever, even if you have to put him in retroactivally. He remembers our first date, and kiss and we celebrate each event with a big cake that he picks out. I still make coconut cake, too bad my Libra hates coconut, but I can sculpt cakes in every size and shape and colour. He is on the cusp of Libra/Scorpio with most planets in the sixth house, or gemini, that must help him be more rational. With him and I both with the Sixth house sun we are both insecure. Libra/Scorps are never really happy anyway, there is always a restless spirit.

The worse date I ever encountered, was when my sister's date came to pick her up, she is a Sag with Pisces rising, and Moon in Taurus, Venus in Cap. Her date was an old boyfriend of hers, a tortured Cancer. Anyway, she starts doing some kicks in her high heels, and one shoe flys off and hits him in the forehead.

And sticks in his forehead, basically she impaled him with a shoe. Very Funny. Ha Ha Ha, you Poor Thing. Then she had to drive him to emergency to get the thing out. I felt so bad for him, but he wasn't interested in me so my sympathy couldn't last. Of course he desired her even more and pursued her for many years, she later married a Scorp. I can't imagine a date being worse than getting injured. Note to self: Drink Chamomile Tea before Date arrives.

I had a man meet me in a restaurant and tell me a few months later he had left his wife for me and moved to my town. Of course I was trying to make an Aqua jealous. Talk about miscommunication. Rule One, don't tell them where you work or live unless you want to marry them. Keep it simple, and if you are trying to make a man jealous, guess what? It will work! and you will pay for it for the rest of your life. I have learned to listen.

I think the problem with dating is everything becomes very Personal, probably because my Moon and Venus are in Personal Planets. Cancer and Aries always relate everything back to themselves, so I keep in touch with this old friend by mail.

That Capricorn that read the paper? I took it away from him and hit him upside the head with it, which was really invading his space.

Natasha

posted May 23, 2003 11:23 AM              

And of course the tape will be scratchy and hard to understand because when she is putting it in she is screaming and swearing and smashing the tape recorder on the table. And then we can watch the videos during a party that has been carefully planned to be perfect down the last detail except for the giant screen in the middle of the living room with a video of the Scorps ex having sex with some other woman, with the Scorp in control of the remote control. Thanks to me the video is at least clear. Welcome to a Pity Party hosted by a sixth house Scorp with a moon in Pisces in the tenth house, Venus in Scorp in the sixth house, and Gemini on the ascendant.

This has happened twice to me, not once so there is something there with Scorp women. You have to give and receive respect with a Scorp. It's just better to turn that energy outwards.

posted May 23, 2003 11:25 AM              

So many comments regarding scorpios and libras here. I'm scorp sun with venus, mars, mercury and uranus in scorpio. Also, libra moon and Asc. with pluto conjunct my asc. Guess I'm a regular piece of work then?!

posted May 23, 2003 05:12 PM              

and again

I finally had time to read the whole thread and OMG it's great!

I had a Scorp bestfriend that when his wife and him fought, causing her to bail to her parents house... He remotely connected a webcam from his comp at home to his work so he could watch to see if she came by to get stuff, and what stuff she was getting.. weird

Not to mention the same Scorp also videotaped them with the webcam "makin babies" and didn't tell her until after the fact...

His argument to her was, "We will want this when we're older..." to say, "Remember when we were young, hot, & rockstars!!!"

posted May 23, 2003 06:09 PM              

Having that moon/venus square makes me need approval very badly too so I am constantly expressing myself. A lot of people do not like this aspect and I agree but it does make you work harder on your self image and career. I am an artist and I teach and in the end inspire. I help people express themselves, so it's normal for someone who has an inner self they are hiding to express it around me. Scorps are challenging because they are private and want to hide away, but they have so much to share.

I like that because I am private with Neptune on my Ascendant. Pisces rising, and Neptune on the Ascendant, I think both like to be "challenged".

Any Taurus bad date stories?

posted May 25, 2003 12:49 PM            

That Sag with the Woody Woodpecker tatoo? Did he by chance resemble Tom Cruise or was he from California by chance? I dated a Sag for while that also had a Woody Woodpecker tat on his rump. LOL

posted May 25, 2003 05:35 PM              

Virgo, or Venus in Virgo can be this way too with coupons and going over the check. One I know will pay for everything but complain on the way out about every item and how much it cost, and he knows the exact amount of each item. He always complains about the poor service and quality when he really just wanted to order less but couldn't.

A Libra friend always has the same comment "Oh No, Mrs. Ice Tea Here, Don't you know drinks cost money? You always order the Ice Tea and you never drink more than one sip!" The cost of the Ice Tea is always analyzed at the end of the meal along with my comment that I could pay for the Tea, oh no, no, then I get mad and throw my credit card down for the whole thing, and I can get NO, NO.

Same thing everytime. Libras can be cheap too.
Once I ordered an Italian mineral water that cost about $4. His eyes popped out of head but he didn't say anything until the check came. Then as usual, he went over every item, and itemized. and then it was " Okay whoever ordered this Italian Water owes me an apology". I said to him, I won't do it again as long as you stop going over the check. That's stopped it for a while.

I think it's that Earth energy. I do not nitpick but I will complain if the food is not what I expected and send dishes back. I know some people hate that but I have to do that. Must be a Taurus thing. But I do not expect to be comped. But being a Taurus I do drive that extra mile to save money, I need to do more saving in the first place so I do not feel I have to skimp. I do not like being outdone in the financial department though.
Scorpios always seem to me to be the most generous and gracious about it, Scorpios, Aries, and Cancer.

posted May 25, 2003 06:46 PM              

Maybe it's the same Sag? Or there is a guy in a tatto parlor really pushing the cartoon characters?

posted May 25, 2003 08:12 PM              

so...he's been trying to get together with me for months..so I finally agree to meet him for drinks..I figure it's less pressure...so we meet and the conversation is going well...I find he went to art school and likes to paint so of course we had plenty to talk about...the only thing that bothered me to this point was that he used the F word almost every other word in normal conversation...which is a HUGE turnoff for me....not that I never use that word..I DO..but only if I'm really really upset or really really drunk....

so it was getting really noisy in the bar so we decided to go to this other bar for a glass of wine...when we got there, we took a seat at the bar and the bartender gave us a menu (they have really really great food) so I started looking at the menu because in spring and summer the menu changes monthly...so I'm looking at it and he says...(you don't want anything to eat do you?) in a tone of voice that indicated he was not prepared to buy me dinner...I wasn't hungry anyway...I was just looking at the menu to see the newest offerings...so then he says to me..(the food here is good but it's over rated and too expensive...I only come on half price nights) THIS from a guy who OWNS a VERY SUCCESSFUL company....totally totally NOT a LEO characteristic...not that I expect to be taken to a four star restaurant..because I'm very down to earth...I just thought that was a tacky/rude/cheap *astard thing to say.

But I let it slide...

So then the bar closes and I ofered him a ride to his house since itwas raining (we met at a local bar...he lives in a popular part of town) then he invites me in to see some of his artwork..so of course I said sure...I love art...so I go in...really really nice house...

before I get ahead of myself..I should tell you..I had been chewing gum all night because of my sinus infection and ears being stopped up...chewing gum helps relieve the pressure....

SO...we're sitting on his couch and he comes in to kiss me...and in my mind I'm thinking..ewww...ok..this will be OVER in a second...so then..it was over and he held out his hand and asked me to spit my gum out because it was too strong...and I told him that I wasn't expecting him to kiss me and then I told him why I was chewing it...then I told him I had to go...becaue I had to wake up early the next day (which I did).

So he emails me in a few days and asked if I want to get dinner with him...i told him I was busy (I am..I just settled on a house this past week) but I don't plan on ever going out with him again.

Totally totally NOT a LEO at heart.

posted May 25, 2003 10:10 PM              

I have kissed a man on our second date, if lunch counts as a first date, but not passionately, we are talking a peck. Our next date he wanted full sex as if I had somehow branded myself as a tramp. What a turn off. Aquarius.

I have found that when a man brings up money in anyway shape or form on a date, it's bad news. Everything is down hill after that. It has something to do with distrust of women and dating in general, and if he feels that way he is not very honest in personal relationships.

I met a Leo once who got a date from me by warning me about another man I was dating (very negative). He explained he wanted to protect me by telling me some news. I go and he orders soup for $3.25, it didn't bother me but he kept going on and on about what a great deal it was, let's NOT dwell on the price tag already I am thinking. Of course his news was bogus, then he sent me a poem describing how he should have kissed me which is almost worst than the attempted kiss. Sort of a mind tease. He wasn't a bad person but I felt manipulated and cheap for buying into the gossip.

I met a man at work who I think was trying to ask me out, you never know, (Libra) and he went over his cell phone bill in exact detail with the bill in hand and whined about all the charges that were placed there fraudently and wanted to know what I would do. I mean, I was a date not there to fix his problems especially financial. Anything regarding finances I do not want to hear on the first date.

One Aquarius, the same as above, was really angry with me when I complimented his watch. He said, "You probably think I should have a really expensive fancy watch, that's what you kind of girls want in a man, lots of money, you know I don't make that much money, what do you want from me!" paranoia, paranoia..

When you go out who pays these days?

posted May 25, 2003 10:42 PM              

Now the Cappy I dated would talk aobut money but he wasn't a cheapie guy...he was out of work at the time and we were talking about ways to find bargains and things like that because I like going to estate sales and antique stores and we talked about my Antique dinning room set that I bought at an estate sale for $750. never any rude comments about half price dinner...the only thing is...we would never order a bottle of wine out at a restaurant because of the markup....we both love wine and collect wine and some of the stuff you can get in a store for $13 they were charging @26 at the restaurant...so we'd go to dinner and then go back to his house and dring a whole bottle of wine from his collection.

posted May 26, 2003 01:19 PM              

As for Caps, they are a pain but I love them.

posted May 26, 2003 05:57 PM              

And as for kisses on a first date.. This guy I dated not only tried to kiss me on our first date, he tried to kiss me in public the moment we entered the restaurant and sat down. Not only that, but he wanted me to feed him his drink. How you ask? He wanted me to take a big sip and let him drink it out of my mouth!! I don't know if anyone might get turned on by this but I thought it was sick, especially since I hardly knew him. And I don't think it would have made a pretty sight either.
I don't feel too comfortable kissing on first dates

The biggest jerk I ever dated was so obsessed with me. He followed me everywhere I went (he's an aries), he ordered colpies of my phine bill to see who I called. He'd get furious everytime my phone was busy or my car wasn't at home. When he was angry he'd find me and make a scene (it was a nightmare) and call me all sorts of names. Afterwards I think he'd get amnesia because he couldn't seem to understand why I was upset. He'd try to make up for it but I'm the type who finds it very difficult to forget. In the end it became too much, and I ended it on the phone. he couldn't seem to undersatnd why I was leaving him and even his mother called me up trying to convince me to give him another chance. I stopped answering their calls and that night he CRASHED INTO MY CAR, totally ruining it. Believe me there are a lot of psychos out there.

posted May 26, 2003 06:35 PM              

I read once that people project their reality onto you, which makes sense. I was told to watch out for the Mars/Neptune Square or Opposition, I wonder if that's true for others? It's been true in my case.

Natasha

posted May 27, 2003 01:13 PM            

Lost Leo,

You're right, that would have been pretty random and would have totally freaked me out!