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Topic: A Strange but SERIOUS question
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LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 03:52 AM
Greeting ALL!Does anyone kNOW what, if any, astrological indicators would point to a walk-in or overshadowing Soul? Has anyone ever had close contact with someone who has been overshadowed? I realize this sounds really 'out there' but any thoughts would be sooo very appreciated!
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Mercy unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 04:32 AM
Loonyfish You are making me curious now! I haven't had close experience with a walk in but I am interested in the replies you will get! IP: Logged |
StarLover33 unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 12:22 PM
That's a great question!I suppose there are no indications in the chart. Because those things go on, in a higher level of awareness, where your Higher Self and not your Soul makes this drastic choice. But this is just my opinion. Your Higher Self does not have a horoscope. But your Soul, takes many horoscopes, becuase of all the lives that you may have. -StarLover IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2003 12:38 PM
Another note, I don't think that Past Life, Present Life, or Future Life are correct terms, right now you're living all your lives at the same time. There is no time, only an Eternal Now, once you realize this you'll understand how your Higher Self actually works.But then again I'm a WEIRDO... And I'll believe this until I'm proved wrong. IP: Logged |
Lunargirl unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 12:40 PM
Very interesting. Wish I knew, but I'll just offer a brief onion back -- if fulfilling the Soul's destiny and karma involves transcending an individual horoscope, then couldn't a walk-in experience be foreshadowed by indicators of transcendence?Maybe Lanny could comment on whether this would more likely be shown by natal chart or by transit... LoonyFish, have you considered cross-posting this question in the Uni-versal Codes forum? Lunargirl IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 02:59 PM
Geetings ALL!Mercy - Curiosity is what sent Alice down the rabbit hole! Just look at all the amazing discoveries she made! Starlover - I completely agree that ALL is NOW. SO move over and make room in the WEIRDO section! It is because I beLIeVE this that I think a chart can indicate much deeper issues than mundane Life choices. I see a horoscope as a map of who, what, where, when and how we are going, have gone and will go both physically and spiritually. Our Free Will can choose to travel 'off the map', but wouldn't there be indicators of 'times' that this choice is easiest made? Does that make sense? AARRGGHH! I can't seem to explain this without going into a looong ramble! Lunargirl - Thanks for the suggestion to cross-post this question. I actually did debate with myS-elf where to put this. You have almost exactly gone to the Heart of my question. Could such a drastic decision be made at any time without any indications in the chart? I somehow just don't think so. Also, does anyone have any thoughts on WHY the Higher S-elf would choose to allow another Soul to move into its flesh temple? Is it always a positive, transcendent action? Or could there sometimes be a darker side to this transfer of residence? Thanks guys for your 'onions'! Mine are being swirled in a blender right now, LOL!
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2003 03:10 PM
Maybe one soul is loose. My American Indian ancestors believed similar to what Starlover is saying. That there are two souls within each person. The higher soul is known as the Spiritual Soul then there is the lower soul, which is more concerned with the preservation of the human body. When a person neglects their Spiritual side, then there souls may lose contact and become "loose souls". The person may even appear somewhat "mad". Meditation and feeding the Spirit is what is usually recommended. IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 03:20 PM
You mean mad as in 'insane', not 'angry', right?If we're truely given free will to do as we please on ALL levels, then I would think ANY soul could 'exit stage left' whenever they darn well choose. But most souls don't want to give up that easily. Maybe sometimes, souls have accomplished what they came here to accomplish, but while here they became so fundamentally entrenched in the lives of others, who now are relying on them to accomplish their objectives. Well, they don't want to have to stick around here any longer than necessary, so they request a fill-in, who could maybe serve the purpose even better for those people. Maybe. I wonder if the sign Gemini is fundamentally connected to this phenomenon. The concept of two people in one would seem a fitting one here.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2003 03:37 PM
There are three duel signs. Gemini, Pisces and Sagittarius. Many think that the sign of Aquarius is like have lot's of people inside all at once. LOL.. because they tend to be so far ahead of the curve and have brilliant ideas. I am not sure which would be more prone to losing or loosening of the souls. IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 03:48 PM
There's four, Darlin! You forgot Virgo.Or is dual different from mutable? IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 04:35 PM
WOW!Pidua and lioneye - Now you really have my mind spinning! My Cherokee Grandmother also believed in multiple Souls in one body. Her belief was that most people had a dark Soul and a Light Soul constantly battling for control. Rather like the Yin/Yang concept. When one of these Souls became unbalanced it allowed the other Soul to be in control, either dark or Light. I don't re-member her ever speaking of a 'loose' Soul but she certainly talked of 'lost' Souls. It was her explanation for the difference in 'good' and 'bad' people. She said that a highly evolved person had two Light Souls, thus the 'halo' glow of angels. They had too much Light to be contained. She never said, but I always thought, that if there were those with two Light Souls, there must be some with two dark Souls. My childish understanding of 'evil'. "Exit stage left", Lion? That is precisely what I am wondering! I like the idea of requesting a fill-in to finish the job, but... What IF the exiting Soul just got tired? Or overwhelmed by the demands of this Life? Or, perhaps, 'failed' an extreme Soul test? Could they still request a fill-in? How much control would they have over which Soul filled in? Gemini? Dual signs involved? How about a Sag Sun/Pisces Moon/Gemini Rising? Assuming this Soul has NOT "exited stage left" and is only 'loose' or out of balance, is there anything that can be done by someone other than the one affected? If it is indeed a fill-in, how would one determine that? Oh and BTW, Lion, dual is different from mutable.
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StarLover33 unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 06:46 PM
I got this from Randall, but a great example of a walk-in could possibly be Drew Barrymore, maybe! Honestly her childhood, was headed toward a mad crash of booze and drugs. But now look at her, she is the most sweetest, most charming individual you could ever possibly imagine. She's a completly different human being, I mean you look at her, and you would never recollect her past. IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2003 06:56 PM
Lioneye, You are confusing duel with mutable. A duel sign is one that has two "bodies". A Gemini symbolizes two human forms, Pisces - two animal (fish) and Sagittarius - The animal and the human. Looneyfish, That is similar to what my greatgrandmother beleived. She was full-blooded Cherokee and could read cards, auras and other "ether world" things. My Apache grandmother felt somewhat different, yet the basic premise is the same. In our culture there is not so much the battle of the souls as there is maintaining a balance. Should you only devote or feed the Spiritual, then you will neglect the physical and the body will die. (Some call that getting lost in the dream), the other side is to starve the Spiritual and get lost in the "flesh" and that results in the higher self dying. I believe that a Sag Sun / Pisces Moon / Gemini rising would be the strongest example of "duality" if not "multiplicity"..LOL...is that you Looneyfish? I'm a Sag Sun / Aries Moon / Virgo Rising IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 03, 2003 11:55 PM
Greetings Pidua!No not me, someone I am very close to. I am Pisces Sun/Gemini Moon/Cancer Rising, so still a sizable group. ------------------ "If immortality be untrue, it matters little whether anything else be true or not." - Buckle IP: Logged |
anafaery unregistered
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posted July 04, 2003 12:04 AM
actually i need to interject to add libra to the list. its unique being the only inanimate sign on the wheel, but it is also one of the 4 duality signs. this has been mentioned in many books, including linda. i dont recall the specific book in which she mentioned this, but i do recall that she was the first person i read who said this. duality has nothing to do with mutability. aquarians are a person holding the water container, theres nothing really dual about that. the container isnt the focus of the symbol, the person holding it is. its merely a tool associated with the sign. in our own way though, all signs are 'dual' in some way. even the most steady of taureans have the potential to exhibit indicators of 'duality'. but back to libras, there are two scales. they arent one, unless they are fully balanced. the day i am fully balanced, ill catch a flight to paris on a pig. IP: Logged |
hrj777 unregistered
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posted July 04, 2003 06:25 AM
Loonyfish,I can't really explain why but I have often felt like I am a walk-in. It happened during my saturn return. I remember waking up one morning and feeling like I had been away for a very long time. I was totally disoriented and everything seemed foreign to me. And ever since then I have has this feeling that I am supposed to find someone. (I have no idea who that is.) Anyway, just thought I'd share that with you. Heidi IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 04, 2003 03:12 PM
Bless you, Heidi!Is there anything you can share with me about how this affected your day to day Life? How did you feel about the people around you? Your family and friends? Did you change your appearance, your daily habits, your relationships? Did others tell you that you "just don't seem yourS-elf"? My curiosity is piqued! Hope you can share.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2003 11:23 PM
Sorry, Anafaery, - I totally forgot about the Librans. Yes, they one of the 4 signs of duality, which is symbolized by the two scales. I do agree that most signs have a "two types" meaning each has a light and dark side, but there are only 4 signs that are known for their duality. Heck, I still take issue with the common description of Capricorn men. I have known many and they do not come across as the "stick in the mud, nose to the grindstone" dowdy dudes that most astrologers describe. Anyway, as with most things, everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 05, 2003 04:36 PM
Pidua - I completely agree on Cappy men. Haven't yet run into one of those sturdy, dependable, all practicality type Goats. In fact, one of the most creative, unusual and 'out there' guys I've ever met was a Goat!anafaery - It is true that each Sign has a higher and lower octave, giving us all somewhat of a dual nature. Which makes me wonder... Do the double signs have 4 'personalities'? Two for each part? Hmmmm? In thinking about my original question, would this be an 8th house issue or 12th? Or possibly, aspects between those two? Or neither one?
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hrj777 unregistered
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posted July 06, 2003 05:30 AM
Hi Loonyfish,With regard to your questions, the only thing I can tell you about my experience was this ... I remember waking up and feeling totally disoriented. What day is it? Where am I? Where have I been? I remember turning on the television set and watching the commercials and thinking how primative they were, and that this had to be some kind of a joke. I know for a few days I was completely disoriented and I remember that I was reading words backwards and couldn't figure out why. No one said anything to me about not being myself. I had all my memories, I just felt like a fish out of water. The biggest change I felt was that all of a sudden I had a purpose ... almost like I was on a mission but didn't know what that mission was. More than anything, it was my values that changed which in turn affected my day to day life. At the time all this was happening, I had never heard of a walk-in. I never told anyone about my experience. It wasn't until about a year later, when I came across the subject in something I was reading, did it suddenly click as to what may have been going on at the time. I hope this answer's some of your questions. Love and Light, Heidi IP: Logged |
anafaery unregistered
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posted July 06, 2003 08:06 AM
hey loony, everyone i think this would probably be a 12th house issue, and there is way more to the 12th house then the simple description 'secrets dreams and illusions. the movie the matrix has very 12th house meanings, for instance, and im talking besides the obvious. if you 'get' the matrix, you 'get' the 12th house. it wasnt just a clever movie with lots of neato effects. ive never met one of those capricorns either. thats why i dont really take much stock in most astro books anymore. i try to really specialize when i get a book... and i am very careful about astrology too. every question i ask, i check and recheck, and get alternate viewpoints. the astro i know now is extremely accurate, so its paid off. signs do have their higher and lesser examples. look at scorpio, it has three. scorpion lizard and eagle. the duality thing is not so cut and dried. i mean, its not just basically being a certain way, its being a totally different person from one minute to the next. many geminis ive known have run the gamut of personalities. many have more than two. not that they are personality disordered, its just that they are so changeable. they are unique that way... i think with a sign like pisces, their duality lies in the fact that they can swim upstream, or they can drift downward. most pisces ive known are not changeable like geminis. and libra... i know many who are virtually the same people day in and day out. our duality is by virtue of what our environment is like. a libra cant put anything in its own scales, its impossible. either other people put things in our scales to tip or balance them, or perhaps the table we are sitting on isnt stable and starts to lean or wobble. so, yes, most are going to see a totally different person if the scales are off from one moment to the next. i dunno beyond that, im very tired ^_^ i wish i could be more clear, sorry ~ana IP: Logged |
LoonyFish unregistered
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posted July 07, 2003 05:57 AM
Greetings ALL!Thank you so much, Heidi! I too had only a slight kNOWledge of walkins until this experience started. I am currently trying to learn as much as I can. Your experience has helped, thanks for sharing! anafaery - I agree with you 100% about the 12th house! I think it is often overlooked or dismissed without close study. I only wondered at the 8th house connection because for one Soul to walk in, another would have to leave. Wouldn't the departing Soul be reflected in the 8th house? I am just not sure. That is why I turn to the Lovely Souls at LindaLand!
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moondust unregistered
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posted July 07, 2003 04:15 PM
The scorpio also has the dove, which is rarely accomplished. It is the highest evolvement, an example has been Ghandi, who has scorpio rising. I've read many books that describe capricorn as having one of the wackiest senses of humor, offbeat, and one of the funniest. But, they're usually cynical and sarcastic, and when "normal" people try to understand them they are referred to as having no personality because they are misunderstood. The books usually add this in. Many cappies are often afraid to let their true selves come out because they are one of the most emotionally vulnerable of all the signs. So, they have to feel secure w/ who they're around before they can act natural. As w/ the question regarding our souls, I think we should trust the advice from our native american ancestors. IP: Logged |
lovely unregistered
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posted July 07, 2003 04:25 PM
@ catching a flight to paris on a pig...brahahhahahahah.. too funny!my merc, mars, uranus and pluto in libra can all relate! IP: Logged |
anafaery unregistered
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posted July 07, 2003 09:46 PM
lol lovely! im glad you had a laugh about that, i was rather proud of myself for that witty comment tee heethe first nations do have much wisdom. i do like to get wisdom from various sources though. i think ones spiritual learning is very personal, and has to come from a source that one feels a connection to. sadly, although i have a deep respect for first nations and their wisdom and culture, i dont feel much of a personal connection with the culture. i have no idea why. so, i learn from whatever other sources i can. loony, the 12th house is a personal fascination of mine. the 8th might have some bearing, but honestly this just is so 12th house... it could also involve the 10th house, saturns (karma) natural house. i dont know for sure, and i plan on looking into it, but i dont have much time this week at all... i will look into it more once this week is over. lets keep this going! i am enjoying the subject very much. anyway i hope you are all well! tonight my husband and i are gonna see the matrix reloaded, yay!!! finally lol. we had to wait so long. take care everyone! IP: Logged | |