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pidaua
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posted October 21, 2003 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, So I have a question about the current Pluto in Sag (or for anyone that has experienced this) and the conjunction with the natal Venus. I have been experiencing this transit since Jan 2001. It has constantly been within 5 degrees of my natal venus and has been sitting on top of it for the last year now.

This is what Bob Marks says about the transit:

Pluto Transits in Aspect to Natal Venus: Pluto intensifies everything it touches. Hopefully, you will have a decent relationship going when this one hits. If you don’t have any, then this could be a frustrating period because this tends to increase your sex drive. A lot. Pluto rules the deep subconscious and all your inner desires, frustrations, and hang-ups start to come to the surface during the stressful transiting aspects. This time, they can affect your love life. Pluto can’t stand anything shallow. It wants depth and intensity. Even obsession. If you have a stressful aspect, watch out for power struggles. Your partners may try to dominate or manipulate you during this time. You might try to do the same to them. If you are an artist or work at something creative, you will start to feel a need to produce something more significant, more intense. Go with that feeling. The smooth aspects (sextile and trine) tend to produce the intensity without most of the stress. Don’t forget to look at the House that Venus occupies in you birth chart. If it is in your 4th House, for instance, this transit may manifest as a desire to fix up your house, or even to move. Also, check the houses that have either Libra or Taurus on the cusp (beginning). They can be affected as well. For example, if you have Libra on the cusp of the 9th House (long journeys and higher education) you may have a desire to travel to some far-off, exotic, and mysterious place. Or you could want to take an art course. Several of these could manifest at once.


Robert Hand states the following:

Love's power ***
Valid during many months: This influence is likely to have a great effect upon your relationships and your sex life. If you have no current sexual relationships, this period could bring you one that is quite intense but not necessarily smooth. You may become quite obsessed by a particular other person. This influence could be described as love's power, with the emphasis on "power." Any relationship that begins during this time is not going to be lukewarm. You will either be entirely involved or not at all.
Under this influence you see love not as part of everyday life, but as an experience that can transcend that reality and transform your life completely. Obviously this is a very tall order to fill, but you may very well succeed now. However, the drives that bring about a relationship under this influence are compulsive and not very rational. Unconscious patterns may play a much larger role in who you choose than your sense of what you need in a partner. If you are not careful you may fall for someone who is extremely difficult to get along with, which is precisely why you are attracted to that person. You almost seem to need the experience of a struggle in a relationship at this time. But you may end up in a situation in which you can't live with your partner and can't live without him. Fascination with someone who is not very good for you is a great danger with this influence.

However, this effect is not inevitable by any means. A perfectly decent relationship is possible under this influence. The problem is that mainly you are looking for an intense experience, not necessarily a good one. If it happens to be good, it will also be intense, so this influence can signify a very important relationship in your life.

Existing relationships will also be intensified by this influence because your needs are heightened, and you require gratification more urgently. An existing relationship that cannot satisfy your needs may not survive. Certainly the basis of your relationships will change considerably during this time.


What I have found is that I have somehow drawn in many people into my life that seem to make an intense impact. The males seem to be very intent on "trying to have me" or "own" me.

The relationship that I did start under this influence has been very intense and passionate while it also seems durable. The marriage I lost under this transit wasn't hitting the mark.

So, is this because it may also be sending the square aspect single to my Natal Pluto / Ascendent in Virgo conjunction or is this simply normal for the transiting Pluto with the Natal Venus.

What is your experience with this conjunction? Anyone?

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posted October 21, 2003 04:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And when does Pluto start transiting Capricorn?

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pidaua
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posted October 21, 2003 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Oxy,
How are you?

Pluto will begin the transit into Capricorn on 11/28/08, then it will retro back a couple of times to Sag (I think) then full on into Cappy. Do you have Venus in Cappy?

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posted October 21, 2003 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Pidaua,

I'm doing well, thanks for asking. How about you?

Yep, Venus in Cappy here, in the 7th. Right now Pluto is conjunct my Descendant.

I think this Pluto conj. Venus aspect may be affecting a few of my friends right now. I'll check their charts when I get home tonight and let you know.

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posted October 22, 2003 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hei, Pidaua

since you started this, ... what's with tPluto conj Neptune? It intensifies illusions? or what? Of course, for me Nep=Sun/Moon, so it affects my relationships, too.

I just don't know how I can't find the Robert Hand book on transits...

can you help, please?
Thanx
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posted October 22, 2003 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Christina,

Here is what Bob Marks says about Pluto Transits and Natal Neptune transits:

Pluto Transits in Aspect to Natal Neptune: As far as the stressful aspects go (conjunction, square, and opposition) Pluto can “kill” your dreams, faith, and fantasies. (People born this century don’t have to worry about the opposition though. It won’t happen unless you live to be at least 125!). Under these transits, believers can become atheists and atheists become believers. Pluto doesn’t care. It just makes changes. Once more check the Houses that both Pluto and Neptune Rule and Occupy. Those areas will be the ones to be affected the most. The smooth aspects (sextile and trine) strengthen intuition and imagination.


Robert Hand states the following:
Inward transformation ***
Valid during many months: This influence signifies a period of very deep inward transformation that will be reflected in changed ideals, goals and many other aspects of your world view. You may also work harder than ever to bring about in reality an ideal that you have held for years. However, you will have to give up a great deal to accomplish this, and you will not receive much ego-reinforcement at the time, even if you are successful.
You will find it necessary to question very deeply many beliefs you have held as a matter of course all your life. You may become disoriented as you discover that you have been living under illusions. But at least you will not be alone, for this is one of the influences that affect everyone in one age group at about the same time. In fact, the need to change your ideals may come through your peer group. It would be a good idea to discuss this with someone who is much older or younger and who is not suffering the effects of this influence, in order to get a better perspective on what is happening to you. If you begin psychotherapy now, which is quite possible, you should not choose a therapist of your own age. While he or she might understand you, he cannot give you a different perspective.

Many elements of your life ­ relationships, job situations, places ­ may pass away now, but this is only a reflection of the profound changes taking place within you. After this period is over you may find it hard to recognize the person you were before.

Whatever you choose to do, it would be a good idea to study a subject that will give you greater understanding about your life. Astrology, the occult, metaphysics or even depth psychology might serve this purpose. But don't get lost in abstractions: make sure that what you learn has real consequences in your everyday life, because you have great needs there that should be met. Also your studies should give you very deep understanding. Nothing superficial would help you at this time.

I hope this helps.

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posted October 22, 2003 11:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not experience transiting Pluto conjucting my natal Venus, but for what it's worth: when it conjuncted my natal SATURN, and at the same time OPPOSED my natal Venus, my marriage fell apart...or better described...blew up! But then, I natally have a fixed T-square between these 3 planets, so the transit of Pluto at that time was bound to cause trouble.

As for the transformation effect...absolutely. While at the time this was happening, I was completely stunned at all the changes (and slow to accept them -- fixed signs)...eventually I DID accept them, learned the lessons...and now I can honestly say that much good has come from it all. I am so much stronger now than I ever was then, or ever thought I could be.

Incidentally: during the time I went through this, I was *away* from my astrological studies. I'll never know, but it's possible had I been aware of these transits, I may have handled things differently, thus the outcome might also have been different. Now, I just look at it as something that was supposed to happen and I'm not crying over spilled milk because as I said, the experience though upsetting then, turned out to be positive in the longrun.

Maybe sharing this could benefit someone with natal Venus in mid-Gemini and/or natal Saturn in mid-Sagittarius.

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posted October 22, 2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twin Lady,

That is so ironic. Saturn in Gemini was opposing my Natal Sun and Venus while Pluto has been sitting on my Venus while approaching my Sun. My marriage also dissolved and I ended up meeting someone in a similar circumstance. He had Saturn conjuncting his natal Gemini in Venus while opposing his Sag Mars (which resides in his 7th house).

At the same time he had Pluto sitting on his Mars in the 7th house.

Totally weird. I didn't see any of this coming and also had taken a break of meditation, astrology and other, but this brought me back.

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posted October 24, 2003 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much, Pidaua!

It does help.

The Bob Marks ideas don't really fit. My fantasies and dreams are stronger than ever. Sometimes they even take over and I almost broke my leg last year as was so trapped in my head I missed a broken stair.

The Robert Hand one fits. I am disoriented and my beliefs have changed dramatically, I started last oct a Masters in psychotherapy and during the past year my aproach to Astrology has taken a serious and more scientifical turn (as opposed to the very superficial and play-like way I had before).

I have changed as a person, deeply and, just as I recently read on a side about transits, I'm somehow retracing my way a bit to some things I used to like years ago and gave uo somehow... I used to be involved in a lot of acting and performing in all sorts of students groups etc, and I ended up a very serious scientist up to my elbows in books and research. Now I seem to regain my funny, playfull side and joined a student drama group - almost be accident!

On that site it said "if you've been walking on the wrong path, Pluto will bring back on track".

I'm curious: it is an aspect for a whole generation - how do others experience it?

cristina

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posted October 24, 2003 09:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Pid,

I was right, one of my friends (a Capricorn Sun/Leo Moon/Sag Rising) had this transit (in his 12th House) and we even dated- briefly- during it. He broke up with his then long-time girlfriend (we dated after) and went through a lot of nonesense because of the break up. He completely started reevaluating what he wants in terms of relationships with regard to what he was actually getting out of them. His nphysical, emotional and sexual needs and desires all changed.

Guess I'll have to wait till 2008/9 to find out. LOL

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posted October 24, 2003 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Oxy,

Wow, so you got to see it first hand. It's so weird, kind of like the magnetic pull that makes a person want to merge, but then all at once, the attraction is gone. I have seen this more and more with the retro and direct motion of the planet.

It has changed my desires, emotion and ability to get physically close. It is as though I threw out my preconceived notions and I am not afraid to embrace the emotions that I feel (well, at least not all the time LOL). Pluto throws out what is not necessary and I think my fears of intimacy have been questioned and evaluated. Maybe Pluto is making me really look at that Saturn in the 8th house so that I realize that I don't have to be afraid.

I wonder if your Cappie guy decided to cut the relationship with his ex when he realized that he was holding on to something that was not beneficial for either of them?

You will begin to feel the pull of Pluto the closer that it gets. In my mind, it is a hell of a strong planet, but it is not to be feared. Right now your Venus is feeling the lessons of Cancer in Saturn, which is in opposition.

How has that made you feel regarding love and intimacy? This is what I found from Bob Marks regarding Saturn opposing Venus:

Adversities ***
Valid during several days: This influence often signifies a crisis in your personal relationships. Love seems harder to come by, and you may cool off toward those who used to be dear to you. Or they may cool off. This is a period of testing old relationships to find out whether they can survive and make a contribution to your life. It is rather difficult to establish new relationships, for this is a time for culminating the old, not beginning anew.
This influence indicates that your need for relationships is in strong conflict with your need to feel like a distinct, separate and definite individual. Either you are such an individualist in your relationships that others find it difficult to relate to you, or the relationships smother your sense of individuality. You may feel very lonely even in the presence of your loved ones, because a wall has been built up between you and them.

It is absolutely essential to reexamine your relationships at this time to determine exactly your rights, duties and obligations and those of your partner. Probably you have been trespassing upon each other's prerogatives, and the tension that this causes has led to your current difficulties.

One common manifestation of this influence is becoming involved in a relationship that makes very heavy demands on you. Although you would rather not be involved in it, you find it difficult to break out of. All you can do in this case is to persist and do whatever you have to do. If you simply abandon this relationship, you will almost immediately encounter another relationship like it, and another and another until you live one of them through.

This may also be a time of material and financial adversity. Here again you will have to examine your past attitudes toward material resources and perhaps change your whole orientation toward them. Try getting along with less; you may find that you need less than you had thought.

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posted October 24, 2003 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christina,

I am not sure how everyone experiences it unless it calls to action the ending of one illusion for reality or maybe it makes a generation turn a blind eye to what Neptune means in that sign.

For example: Neptune in Sagittarius calls a person or generation to idealize religion, travel and philosophy. It also has the potentiality of the generation following a fanatical leader. I guess on some level we can see this in our current events with someone like Osama. He is a Pisces, which is ruled by Neptune. He also had the sympathy of a generation with many fanatical followers, but something changed. Was it Pluto sending out the Vibe to all to say "Hey, let's look at extremism". Our society has really started to look at all forms of fanaticism and tried to eradicate anything that seems too offensive and extreme, but at the same time, it has started its form of fanaticism in that we are going over board and sending certain groups into hiding over their beliefs.

So, yes, as a generation I think may of those individuals with Neptune in Sag and starting to feel the blinders being removed and they are also questioning what life and beliefs are all about.

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posted October 24, 2003 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, yes, that is all very accurate! Venus is at 5 deg. Capricorn for me (7th House) and while Saturn was opposing it, I think I posted here and Lanny and others gave me some similar, great insight.

Old relationships were definitely tested, and not just in love. I am happy to say that the 3 main ones I can think of that were hit during this storm survived beautifully. Two were close friends and one was an old love. He and I let go of the hurt and confusion that remained between us for years and have reached a good understanding.

I find that a lot of people, like me, sometimes feel that relationships smother their sense of individuality. Maybe it's all the Aquarian in me, but I do feel that often, but my 7th House Venus argues it by wanting closesness through relationships. Venus is virtually unaspected in my chart and so the building walls reference hits home.

I did let go of some things in my life that I didn't want but kept for selfless reasons. It was a very demanding time, and I was afraid to say I didn't care or need or want to help anymore. During this transit, I was able to do just that by at least admitting it to myself and purging the heavy demands that were placed on me.

My attitudes towards financial matters have definitely changed and I'm reevaulating my priorities (Saturn return is going to suck, royally).

The one nice thing about it all is that now that Saturn is not in direct opposition to my natal Venus, I've started to redevelop an interest in relationships and I've enjoyed having met someone who brings that out in me and who makes me feel excited in so many ways, and just happy to spend time with him.

Now with regard to Pluto con. Venus, my friend seemed to go through something very similar to what you described; he became a lot more comfortable in expressing his sexual nature. You are right that he left that relationship because he did realize it wasn't beneficial for him.

Wow, I think that was my longest post ever. Sorry, I hate long posts. lol

Thanks so much for the info though, Pidaua!!


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posted October 24, 2003 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Oxy,

I always look forward to your posts and I am glad that I am able to help you. I know that so many people helped me through these transits.

I feel the same way as you regarding relationships. On one hand, my moon in the 7th house wants to get close, but then my Sag nature kicks in, along with the moons opposition to Uranus in my 1st house, and I feel totally smothered.

I start to look at the relationship like a cage and that the person wants me to conform to what they want me to be, but they don't see the real me. I have to say, now that I have been with the Leo with the Aqua moon and Venus in Gemini, I don't feel as weighted down. It could also be due to the distance. LOL

You're great Oxy!!! I am glad that you are still here in LindaLand.

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posted October 24, 2003 12:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidaua, I can't begin to express how much your post just touched me. Thank you, in all sincerity, that really means so much to me.

Eloquence has never been my strong suit, and so I really love being able to see someone express some of the same thoughts I have clearly. I enjoy your posts and insights too. (and the picture of your brother Ok, that was too easy)

A Cancer/Aqua/Scorp guy that I dated last year and I had a great discussion one night about loss of individuality through relationships. We were both afraid that by committing to someone, we were probably missing out on something better that exists somewhere else. Personally, I've always felt that since the guy by my side is one of my choosing, he is thus an extension of me-a reflection of me, almost. Hence a fear of loss of individuality! lol

I can't help but feel that people can work towards and enjoy relationships where both partners enjoy a sense of individuality as well as a sense of togetherness. I know all too many relationships that exist on a foundation of codependence, guilt and insecurity. What's sad is that the parties involved call it love, when it's really very destructive.

Anyway...happy thoughts..happy thoughts..

I keep getting interrupted here at work, so I hope some at least some of that made sense!

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posted October 27, 2003 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidaua

I had tPluto conj. nVenus combined with Saturn return. I wasnt into astrology much at the time, but even without paying attention to any transits I had very clear feeling "what ever is in my life, after THAT is prolly staying for a while". Very good feeling IMO.

However, I don't know if or how I could differentiate between the influences.

What remained were some good friends, my work, my ideas of what I want to do professionally in general and (sort of spiritual/religious) outlook to world. (Renmant of tPluto conj. nNeptune, I suppose).

Things that didn't survive were my marriage and some friendships.

I ended up having much better understanding of what I want in many areas of life.

Only good memories of these transits.

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