posted December 13, 2003 01:03 PM            

I have been in a relationship with a guy for 2 years and it's been serious over the past year.

I have Venus in Sagittarius and He has Venus in Gemini. We both have Pluto in Virgo. So we mutually aspect with a squar to each others Virgo and we have the Venus to Venus opposition.

There is has never been an issue about unrequited love.

Also, his mars is in Sagittarius which does not aspect my Saturn in Taurus, but my Mars in Pisces forms a Sextile to his Saturn in Taurus. We have great harmony between each others Mars / Venus and moon signs.

My Aries moon opposes his Uranus in Libra and his Aqua moon trines my Uranus in Libra.

posted December 13, 2003 01:09 PM              

Being an Aries yourself and I know Aries I have Mars on the Ascendant and Venus in Aries, you are very impatient for love. But you have to shop around, like the song says, and don't be sold on the very first one. Emphasis on SOLD ON, you can shop all you want but I find Aries gets sold really quickly and then feels cheapened by the whole thing. Then the unrequited love thing comes in because you don't feel cheap anymore.

Oh well, that's Aries, all I can say is you can paint, dream, dance, make money and do everything else, you don't have to be lucky in love right off the batt. You get better as you get older and once you have all the material things you want, the peace of mind and have fulfilled your dreams, love comes to you in droves, knocking down your door.

And you can arrive at any old door, battered and beat up and anyone will let you in to love you. That's an Aries dream and it happens, it just takes time. The one thing Aries does not want to give. That' s love, you give the one thing you do not want to give so you can get it back, without giving there is no taking . If you stop yourself from giving you will find it's all taking anyway, so don't be afraid to give!

That's the Aries nature it's all giving, you can work with it or call it unrequited love, but it's still sweeter if you work for it.

Take it from Taurus, the sign you will be next life.
I still suffer from unrequited love often but I know it's sweeter that way and nothing is perfect except maybe hot fudge and warm steamy back masages near a hot tub. I don't care if it's unrequited or not, I still like a good back rub from almost anyone. Find one and then come back.

Take Care,
Natasha/Taurus/6th house Sun

posted December 13, 2003 08:20 PM              

it never really ends, nobody ever really gets the other, and nothing ever really "works" or doesn't work. you may just see a couple in one scene but there is an entire drama to be played out that could take 10 years. Pluto ruled individuals, like myself especially can run hot and cold and "chase" Venus types, from time to time.

I have run from Venus and now I am chasing Venus at the moment since it takes me years to heat up. I have Pluto in the tenth in Virgo, trine my Sun, so I heat up slow but pursue, pursue. Then I slack off and wait for Venus to heat up again. Such is the nature of a relationship with a Venus/Pluto conjunction in synastry.

I am now in pursuit mode:>

posted December 13, 2003 10:21 PM              

What do you mean when you say you are "Pluto ruled individual" and what do you mean by "Venus types"?

Thanks

.gloria

posted December 13, 2003 10:24 PM              

After reading what you said about Venus always being hot and Pluto hot/cold, etc. I checked my chart and NO WONDER I'm able to practice celibacy for long periods of time!! I have Venus & Pluto in VIRGO!!!

AND I'm 42 and never married... which is starting to kill me cuz I'm a Libra with Scorpio Mars & Merc...

Someone please shout back to me on this!!

posted December 14, 2003 05:39 AM              

I've found this aspect in charts where they never actually end up physically:
Mars square/ opposition Saturn

posted December 14, 2003 07:16 AM              

can i just ask a question: does the chasing ever stop? can they ever just end up together and be happy...even if the aspect is her venus square his pluto???...or is it just a lost cause?

posted December 14, 2003 01:43 PM            

I think that the Venus Square pluto can be very happy together. I am happy with my guy and he's happy with me. I think it may also take other happy aspects as well.

My ex was a Virgo and his Sun formed a conjunction with my Pluto. It didn't last. I guess because we also had other major difficult aspects. His Moon opposed my Sun and Squared my Venus, Mars and Pluto. His Sun formed a square to my Sun and Venus while opposing my Mars. We had good Sun to Saturn aspects, but it wasn't enough.

I have a hard time with people that have Venus in Virgo because of the tension it causes to my own planets. I had one Virgo friend that also his Sun, Venus, Uranus and Pluto all in Virgo, all conjuncting his Ascendent. He smothered me and chased me to the point where our friendship blew up. Even after I told him friends only, he was just relentless.

Even being in his presence was so unsettling because I felt he was so explosive under the surface and his stong Uranus just unnerved me. He had a sexy presence but it was not stable. He also seemed just so "Urgent".

posted December 14, 2003 04:04 PM              

When you say "Mars square/ opposition Saturn", you mean within ones own chart, right?

AND PLEASE DO SHOUT BACK AT ME AGAIN, YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON who has helped me realize something about myself. All my life I've had this aire of vulnerability which has been more than just an annoyance. Has actually caused major problems in my life.

I spent at least 2 decades trying to get rid of whatever vulnerability vibe I was giving off, and no matter how much I tried, no matter how "bad ass" I tried to be (no really me)... I'd still have that BLIND SPOT!!!

Oh my God! If you only knew how big an issue this has been with me. Most times to the point where I've lost my faith in people, and don't like being around them. I feel I'm a fair Libra with compassionate Moon in Cancer, capable of enough follow-through with Mars in Scorpio. And it just never seems to work out me for, to this day.

I'm a healer by profession. This gives me the outlet for those empathetic bones in me. However, my Saturn & Jupiter both in Capricorn, and probably my Venus & Pluto in Virgo, makes my attitude highly ethical and professional. Therefore, I never make friends through work.

My beef lately is being 42 years old and never married, which has never really bothered me until recently. I'm not a socialite, so I try to take classes & courses to meet people & keep my mind sharp and off of my problems.

But the fact is, most people in my age group are married, or divorced with kids, an angry ex in the background, alimony... the whole complication/yuppy baggage thing which I've always abhored. I strive for simplicity in my life and turned off by people who create a lot of "drama" in their lives.

Hope someone is getting this and will shout back at me... My way of reaching out for help, which has always been difficult if not impossible for me to do.

.gloria

posted December 14, 2003 04:49 PM              

Women might have had problems with their father, feeling rejected by him. Also some are attracted to very bad boys who are cruel and really mean.

I don't know if this is true for you, but some women with this placement find it very difficult to talk to men, feeling almost scared and out of touch. This women always make comments like "men *sigh* they're just domesticated apes"

Listen, about you being 42 and never married: Big deal!!!! lol!! so what? I for one don't care less whether I get married or not. I know it's hard though in today's society to conform but look inside yourself do you really WANT to get married? Sometimes what we think we want and what we really need aren't the same things. I want to win everything! that includes the best husband, but at the end of the day I prefer to be alone admiring myself! hahaha

Take care love, we aries always make too big of a deal of everything and always end up beating our heads against the wall

posted December 14, 2003 06:08 PM              

Thanks for making me laugh OUT LOUD...

You are funny & creative and super honest. I like that...

If I understood you right, with men's drive being more sensitive, that would mean if the saturn person or the Uranus person was the WOMAN instead, it might not downlplay the sexual aspects as much.

And and as for marriage. I've said, I've NEVER looked to get married for the sake of getting married in my entire life. I'm about as much a free spirit as you can get when it comes to that, even though I've been quite aware that I've been going against the grain.

If you look at my chart in big detail (I don't expect you to), you'll understand why this little Spanish/Italian conservative girl has a nature which cannot be contained. And I've also said somewhere that all my life I wanted to be close to my family, and the opposite has been true all my life. Combined with my not being a socialite...

Pretty much, I'm a loner and although I've always felt more comfortable than MOST PEOPLE being with myself, it's becoming unbearable. It's never been difficult to throw caution to the wind as you suggest. My challenge now is to look at myself and understand maybe something unhealthy is at work because the void is sort of sad.

I was raised to be the "super woman" of the 80's and be everything/do everything. That it's not cool to need a man, etc. Well, I've passed all those tests with flying colors. Now I need a companion. The word NEED is the one I keep choking on when I say it, or think it.

NEED????? BLAH!!!!!!

But it's true....

Also... I'm not so sure I want MARRIAGE either. I know I'd like to be with the companion I can grow old with, albeit, it probably won't be your "typical" committed relationship, but committed just the same.

I use the word "marriage" just to describe the "state of mind" as succintly as possible. Even if you say "committed" most people assume you eventually want marriage.

.gloria

posted December 15, 2003 12:37 AM              

I would say that good aspects between mars and saturn are a high sex drive.

I would say Venus catches Pluto in the end and they can live happily ever after as long as Venus remembers to keep chasing Pluto every once in a while because that's how the whole thing started.

You have to remember that romance is about the remembering, how it all started and renacting that over and over again. If your lover forgets to act as if you are just married or just together once in a while, then the romance will fade, and Pluto REMEMBERS everything Venus does. So Venus has a real job to do. Any time you do any chasing, it's your job for life because Pluto is never going to change. The question isn't will one catch the other, the question is will one get sick of the chase.

The road from determination to getting your goal is lined with either heartbreaks or joys depending on how badly you want the road to end.
Life is a journey, not a competition, if you have that attitude everything will come out okay.

posted December 15, 2003 12:45 AM              

Not sure how it affects women.

.gloria