posted December 19, 2003 10:05 PM              

When they say astrologists allow for 5 degrees either way for a planet placement. That seems kind of crazy. Example: I have Ascend in Taurus 29.48 degrees. I have Moon in Cancer 26.01 degrees. Uranus in Leo 28.46 degrees, and Scorpio in 7th house at 29.48 degrees. And there's more like that.

How in the world can you get anything accomplished when reading a chart with so many maybe's?

Thanks,

.gloria

posted December 20, 2003 11:12 AM              

What's the important stuff you might miss? Just when I feel like I'm understanding what eveything means, I open the chapter on orbs and 5 degrees of allowances. Please give me some examples...

Thanks,

.gloria

posted December 20, 2003 11:21 AM              

For instance, aspects to your ascendant is very important. Let's say you have a taurus ascendant, but you talk constantly, you're fast not slow like taurus and you can never keep your hands still. Then you notice that Mercury is close to your ascendant in your chart let's say 7 degrees. Mercury on the ascendant means a restless, talkative gemini like personality. But since it's not within 5 degrees orb you might have missed it and never understood your Taurus ascendant.

posted December 20, 2003 02:16 PM              

I think I see what you are saying. Like in a synastry, if my Ascendant is 29.48 in Taurus, and my partner's Sun is clearly in Taurus, then my Asc & his Sun are Conjunct???

Also, the part where you said "...say you have a taurus ascendant, but you talk constantly, you're fast not slow like taurus and you can never keep your hands still. Then you notice that Mercury is close to your ascendant in your chart let's say 7 degrees. Mercury on the ascendant means a restless, talkative gemini like personality..."

Not sure what you mean by the "Mercury being close to ascendant"....

Thanks. I appreciate your personal opinion on this...

.gloria

posted December 20, 2003 02:20 PM              

Don't get me wrong. I totally understand the concept of the energies and agree with you. The reason I'm in need of a definition to satisfy me is to I can apply it when doing an objective analysis of a chart.

Thank you,

.gloria

posted December 20, 2003 09:03 PM              

Gotcha... was just wondering if you were referring to MY merc or if giving general example. OK... I'm understanding.

I was just reading stuff on Combust. Look at my other post where I ask about something specific. I don't want to start another thread on it & **** people off, but really interested in your take...

Thanks a whole bunches! This is a blast...

.gloria

posted December 21, 2003 11:05 AM              

My 7th house is Scorpio 29.48.
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.gloria

posted December 21, 2003 02:15 PM              

Astro-Junkie, I think most astrologers agree that the planets will still "see" each other even if the aspects are not bang on, but as the orbs get wider, it becomes more difficult. Almost like seeing a person, it's easy if they're right next to you, but you can still see them if they're further away. If they get too far away, you may have trouble recognizing them, although you do see *someone*. If they're standing close to you, but behind you, again, they'll be hard to see, such as with inconjuncts. Also, if there are other aspect effecting the same body, the strongest one will somewhat override the weaker ones, but if the weaker one was the only body making an aspect to that body, it would make itself known much easier.

It's like being in the kitchen with a radio playing quietly, but you can't here it because the blender is going, kids are running around hollering, the dog is barking, the screen door is slamming, people are talking, etc. There's no way you'd be able to hear the radio over all that. BUT, silence everything else, and suddenly you hear the radio loud and clear.

I've read that 8 degrees is good for conjunctions and oppositions, 5 degrees for trines and sqaures and about 3 degrees for sextiles, inconjuncts and semisextiles. But, those are just guidelines. One has to be logical about interpreting aspects, and not just adhere to the cook book guidelines. If you and your lover's sun and moon are conjunct, but 10 degrees apart, and no other aspect exists between these two bodies, you can safely call it a conjunction, even though it's outside of the prescribed orb. That sun and that moon still "see" each other, just not as clearly.

posted December 21, 2003 02:31 PM            

thanks Lioneye

juniperb

posted December 21, 2003 03:05 PM            

juniperb

posted December 21, 2003 08:57 PM            

These are also the orbs used by the astrologer Neil F. Michelson, who founded Astro Communications.

There are so many things to look at when considering aspects, like are they waxing or waning? Wide or tight? And as lioneye said, sometimes when things are too wide to make an aspect, the planets could still recognize each other, and sort of reach for that energy, depending on the people involved.

But if I understood your original question correctly, you were asking if your natal planets' degrees might be incorrect by up to 5 degrees? That seems to be the way you phrased your query. But that is highly unlikely. Even if your doctor did not call your exact time of birth, you were still probably born within ten or fifteen minutes of what is sited on your birth certificate, which isn't enough to alter your chart all that much. Try it and see for yourself! I once altered my birthtime by an hour to see if my 3 degrees Cappy moon changed to Sag...but it did not.

Hope this helps.

posted December 21, 2003 10:25 PM              

Yup... you got my question right. I see what you are saying. So as a practical question, what would these mean:

Moon Cancer 26.0
Jupiter Capricorn 27.28
Uranus Leo 28.46
Lilith Leo 27.07
North Node Leo 26.18
Asc Taurus 29.48
7th has Scorpio 29.48
8th has Sag 25.43

Does anything call to you in this? Or would I have to exclusively study the aspects along with it?

It's super important because I'm making huge break throughs in my life right now.

Thanks for your super special care...

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 03:46 AM            

This may be helpful in the question of orbs etc:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001027.html

Hope that helps...
A

posted December 22, 2003 01:42 PM            

I'm not an astrologer, only someone with an interest who took some astrology lessons once upon a time. Personally, I like the wider orbs because of the way my teacher spoke of them. She said, "if you think the energy is there, *reach* for it!"

posted December 22, 2003 01:43 PM            

astro junkie, I think you're asking what transits might be influencing you right now. Have you studied transits at all? I don't want to insult your intelligence with a definition you might already know!