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lllog
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posted February 12, 2004 12:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have any experience understanding the meanings of Chiron in the synasty chart of two people. I'd like to include it in my readings, because I think and feel that it is so very important. The following are my thoughts (at this moment) on the subject.

Chiron has to do with suppressed pain that either of the two have been carrying around from their individual childhood experiences. The house locations indicate the type or focus of the experiences, while the aspects indicate how the individuals may trigger memories and behaviors related to those experiences by their actions.

Lanny

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Ariesrocks!
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posted February 12, 2004 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

so a Moon conjunct Chiron in synastry means?

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Carlo
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posted February 12, 2004 01:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Chiron is important with respect to synastry. Here is some info from Magi Astrology, which puts a great emphasis on it:

In matters of love, the most important of the linkages are the four Romantic Linkages. There four linkages have their own special powers and add a little magic to the relationship of the linked persons. Of these, the Venus-Chiron linkage is the most powerful and beneficial of all.

The Venus-Chiron linkage is a Romantic Linkage. When it comes to relationships and especially marriages, this linkage is by far the most powerful individual linkage. The linkage creates desire (Venus) for marriage (Chiron) or the union (Venus) of spouses (Chiron). The Venus-Chiron linkage appears more often in married couples than any other linkage, including the three Sexual Linkages. For this reason, it is justifiable to call this linkage a marital linkage. However, the Venus-Chiron Linkage is also the most powerful and helpful one that two persons can have when it comes to affairs of money. For these reasons, in Magi Astrology, we refer to the Venus-Chiron Linkage as the MAGICAL LINKAGE because it seems to have something truly magical about it. Two people who have this linkage have a special bond and make great business, as well as marriage, partners.

from Magi Astrology: The Key to Success in Love and Money

The book goes on to explain other types of positive linkages involving Chiron, and discussing famous couple with them. I have seen it to be true, so I look for in now when I do synastry.

I will list the summary of linkages:

Sexual Linkages:

* Venus and Pluto
* Mars and Pluto
* Venus and Mars


Romantic Linkages:

* Venus and Chiron
* Jupiter and Chiron
* Chiron and Neptune (Lifetime Linkage)
* Venus and Neptune
* Sun and Venus (Cupid Linkage)


Cinderella Linkages:

* Venus and Chiron
* Jupiter and Chiron
* Chiron and Neptune


Linkage of Trust:

* Sun and Chiron


Cupid Linkage:

* Sun and Venus

I will not explain what the various linkages are, you can scout for them online at the Magi astrology sites or buy the book. Hope some of this helps

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Carlo

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pidaua
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posted February 12, 2004 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would be interesting to know. My moon conjuncts my mates Chiron and my Chiron is also in Aries. Hmmmmm

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Ariesrocks!
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posted February 12, 2004 01:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'd like to know about Venus square chiron

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posted February 12, 2004 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So much has been said about Chiron, but it's still a relatively new study. So I don't trust everything I read so far. I've also been just trying to be aware of it more in order to go by first-hand experience.

So far, all I'm ready to say for sure that Chiron in Synastry would show how person A is either aggravating or "filling the void" of person B, and vise versa. Chiron is the "deep wound" that never seems to go away.

Also, if there are any bad relationship patterns where you continually get involved with a person who is BAD for you, AND/OR ones' EXPECTATIONS of the other person coming into your life to "heal the wound".

I don't rely on any of the traditional "aspect" interpretations used with other planetary bodies. I mainly look at how like-signs, or compatible elements would "fit" together, together with the focal points of each Natal.

The House placement is very important.

For example, in one real-life comparison I've been looking at, they both have Aries in Chiron. Person A in the 8th hs., Person B in the 3rd. If person A is a lousy speaker or communicator, Person B would not tolerate them.

Since Aries is very ME-based, if the other person somehow doesn't help heal the ME wound in the other, they will only make each other feel much worse. It would have to be a relationship where they both give equally, or there will be a lot of feelings of resentment.

If each person doesn't bring something to the table in relation to the other person's House placement, forget it!! Doesn't that make sense?

I would also think that since Aries is very prideful, they wouldn't really ADMIT to themselves or others they have that wound. So they may find themselves gravitating towards someone who may fill the void, but in a round-about way which is not obvious. Therefore, Chiron could point to "secret" or unspoken intentions.

It could also point to one's frustration in asking of the world what it is they need, but never seem to have fulfilled. In other words, with Chiron in Pisces, I don't think there would be such a fear of admitting the wound exists. So someone may wear their vulnerability on their sleeve, yet never attract the thing which will ultimately help them.

Another personal observation: I have Chiron in Pisces in the 10th. So I would not tolerate anyone who didn't have respect for wordly and universal topics. They have to take them VERY seriously, because I do.

For example, a Capricorn Virgo/Moon a-hole I dated didn't care what the moon looked like in the sky, or which star was a planet, etc. He said he couldn't care less what happened up there.

He actually turned out to be one of the most hurtful emotional experiences I ever had. It nearly destroyed me.

.gloria

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Ariesrocks!
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posted February 12, 2004 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Virgo moons are such pricks! I've had two extremely hurtful experiences with men with this placement

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Ariesrocks!
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posted February 12, 2004 01:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

no wait 3 experiences, but one was a wonderful man, but he had a libra sun and Leo venus.

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posted February 12, 2004 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carlo,

Thank you for the information. I am going to start to check out those linkages.

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lllog
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posted February 12, 2004 02:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your thoughts and information guys. I've heard of the Magi group's empahis on Chiron carlo, but don't know enough about it yet to comment.

Lanny

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Jazzebel
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posted February 12, 2004 06:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lanny, I personaly am a bit reserved to think there is prominent influence of Chiron.
I am aware that Chiron is still hard to understand other then the "wounder/healer" quality. Its such a small body - only 300 km in diameter, its not even considered a planet so it doesn't fit the planetary laws of our solar system. It's still under question whether Chiron has such important influence as it has been assigned on.
But.....if we pretend that Chiron really has that strong influence I would say that, in synastry, the Chiron effect would be felt mostly if the partners have afflicted Chiron in their natal charts. Afflicted Chiron indicates wounds one experienced in the past and the partner`s Chiron may very well evoke that past feelings to the surface. It`s like only this Chiron partner could understand and feel what the wounded soul feels. I dont think that natal Chiron receiving only trine/sextile natal aspects would be felt in synastry...
Of course that is only speculative thougth on Chiron as this body is still under mysterious spell.

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lllog
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posted February 13, 2004 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds right Jazzebel, thats pretty much where I see it.

Lanny

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posted February 13, 2004 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just spiralling with some thoughts here...

Chiron represents our emotional/psychological wounds from the past, right? And who we are is, in part, a composition of our life experiences, right? Well, it is TRUE that we DO bring that baggage with us into every emotional interchange we're part of. So then wouldn't our Chiron placement and condition be extremely important in an emotional bond? I would think so, because it represents in what way our hearts have been battered and how we've learned to cope with that. That would have a HUGE bearing on a love relationship.

Furthering this chain of thought, if we're with a partner who agitates the pain described by our Chiron, we'll want to run away from them, but if we're with a partner who seems to understand it or soothe it in some way, we will stick to them like glue and thank our lucky stars to have found them. The soft aspects would have the emotional effect of a soothing, healing balm being massaged into our sore spots, while they hard aspects would feel more like being kicked in our sore spots.

Yes, based on this stream of thought, I would come to the conclusion that Chiron is indeed very important in love relationships.

I'm not sure about the magical power that the Maji society credits it with having, ie the magic formulas for marriage and all that stuff...seems a bit too simplistic for me, but hey, what the heck do I know?

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Jazzebel
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posted February 13, 2004 07:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that sounds great but from psychological perspective and in the romantic novels...we now just have to wait to see if Chiron as a body has that strong infuence as he is to small (450 miles diameter), still not considered a planet ( its either a comet or asteroid) and is too far from the Earth. As Zane Stein (the most prominent researcher of Chiron) said ones - "had I knew Chiron was only a comet, I wouldnt have put so much effort in researching it"

P.S. usualy the outer planet - and Chiron included (he is in the orbit of Saturn), are felt exclusevly/push into action/lead to result when making a HARD aspect (subtle, not meaningful influence with trine and sextile). Chiron is not a nasty planet, he is a healer (who has been wounded, so he knows what it feels like), making a hard aspect to your natal planets is like having someone who helps you to dig deep and understand the motives and reasons of your past wounds so a practical healing is applied. Making a soft aspect- its like he may knows or he may not know about your past woundes but he is okay with you ...

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lioneye68
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posted February 13, 2004 08:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, you're being convoluted now, Jezz. Or I'm dense maybe...
But hey...I don't know if you've heard this before or not, but some astrologers are speculating that Chiron could be the true ruler of Virgo. The Wounded Healer Kind of resonates with the sign a little, don't ya think?
Anyway, I think you should devote some time to researching and meditating on Chiron's achetype, and try not to get caught up in the physical properties so much. So, she's an Astroid, or some such thing? So what? She exists, and she's a part of the same suspended animation in space...she exists so she matters.

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posted February 13, 2004 08:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, of course I know. Some says its the ruler of Virgo, some - the ruler of Sagittarius, I share the opinion of the of the rest of astrologers - it does not rule a sign as it is not a planet. Don`t get me wrong - I believe in Chiron, I have Venus/Chiron double tight aspect with my man. We share other tight soft aspects including Moon, Sun and Mars. I love this guy( Chiron I mean, the other too) but we need more time to understand it.

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posted February 13, 2004 09:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that any astral body that we've learned to calulate is important. It may not be so important how large it is, or if it blows hot air or cold. The main thing is it's pattern. It's predictable cycle. THAT's what astrology is really based on.

Whether it's a tiny insect which lands on my lawn the same time each year, or a big manatee who comes to my coast at the same time. It doesn't matter...

If we base it on size, then why even consider Ceres, Juno, Pars, Eros, etc. Besides, if you place too much emphasis on size, you'll give the universe a complex.

.gloria

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Carlo
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posted February 13, 2004 09:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yo Randall, isn't Auriel working on a book on Chiron?

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lioneye68
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posted February 15, 2004 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gloria...

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Jazzebel
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posted February 15, 2004 01:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
of course the size matters, astro-junk..if it didnt - then we all would have felt the influence of every little rock flying close to the Earth. And yes, we consider Ceres and Juno, ect...but that is the question - Chiron is important - but how much? Important as much as the asteroids are or as the personal planets are...comprende?

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posted February 15, 2004 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidua and Ariesrocks. I have the Magi book and looked up the info you asked for on the MOON/CHIRON conjunction in synastry. It is a linkage.. THis is a very strong linkage and creates the intuitive feeling of having known another person in a previous life-often a sign of "love at first sight"-especially for the Chiron person.
I have this with the man I care for. He is the Chiron person but I did feel a 'very, unusual connection' when I first met him. He is actually the reason I started looking at astrology for answers so I do think this is an important linkage.
The Magi site or books believe strongly that Chiron WILL be in your synastry if you are to marry or have a real love. They are very specific with the way they interpret Saturn. You can not just read one aspect. They look at the way the charts balance and they place a huge importance on your meeting days and wedding days. It is not simplistic at all. It is quite fascinating. Saturn especially is the one that has to be really looked at carefully. They even go as far to say as depending on the aspects (eg. what might be negative normally will be a good thing if the person is married or in a crummy relationship if you meet when Saturn is in a turbulent time, it would serve to be the catalyst that inclines the person to leave that marriage.) Now, HOWEVER did they collect data to figure that out!!
Anyway, just trying to help. Thanks Carlo, for helping us with your data above. I miss Donna filling us in with her enormous understanding of the MAgi info. Lanny, I do think it is well worth your time and energy to look at this site. It is hard to find much on Chiron,elsewhere, other than the wounded area. I do not think this is the whole picture at all. I think the good Chiron links with someone else, HEAL your wounds. But, that's just my 'onion'. Just being an optomistic Sagi, here.

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Ariesrocks!
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posted February 15, 2004 03:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks so much!!! anything about Venus/chiron?

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astro junkie
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posted February 15, 2004 05:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If someone chose to micro-manage astrologically, then an accurately charted rock would matter too.

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posted September 12, 2006 02:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" I dont think that natal Chiron receiving only trine/sextile natal aspects would be felt in synastry..."

From my experience I can say it's not true..

My natal Chiron sextiles Sun/Moon and trines Jupiter/Mars/Neptune, and opposes Uranus with wide orb (7 deg.), and my partner's Chiron in his chart natally sextiles Jupiter and trines Venus, and also opposes Uranus with orb of 5 deg. So, natally we both have good Chiron aspects.

But: in our synastry, my Chiron opposes his Sun with orb of 2 degrees, and his Chiron squares my Sun with the same small orb, and also squares my Moon with orb of 4 deg. Believe me, Chiron matters are much felt in our relationship! Exactly like it's described - either healing or deeper wounding...


" Saturn especially is the one that has to be really looked at carefully. They even go as far to say as depending on the aspects (eg. what might be negative normally will be a good thing if the person is married or in a crummy relationship if you meet when Saturn is in a turbulent time, it would serve to be the catalyst that inclines the person to leave that marriage.)"

I can probably agree with that. The above mentioned man and I met in time when our relationships were on the rocks.. He experiences Saturn return, and transit Saturn opposes my natal Sun at the time.. His Saturn conjuncts my South node and trines my Venus, and my Saturn sextiles his Mars, trines his Mercury and opposes his Uranus.

(Of course, we also have Venus-Neptune double whammies (conjunct and square), etc... Amazing ...)

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posted September 12, 2006 03:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how would a conjunction bewtween 2 chirons( a retrograde cancer one and a direct gemini one) influence one's relationship to another???!!!

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